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Posted on 04/06/2005 9:17:27 PM PDT by Salvation
A POPE DESCRIBED AS 'FROM THE SUN' WAS BORN DURING ECLIPSE AND LEAVES WITH ONE
And so now eyes have turned more intently to an old prophecy attributed to the Irish monk St. Malachy O'Morgair -- who supposedly foresaw the entire succession of popes by using riddle-like nicknames, with the one fitting the 110th -- John Paul II -- being De Labore Solis, which means "from the labor of the sun."
Indeed, John Paul II was the Pope of Fatima -- where there was the famous "miracle of the sun" -- and reigned during an explosion of other supernatural claims involving solar miracles. Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland). Like the sun he visited countries all around the globe. There was a glow that emanated from him.
Of the sun, yes, and with a stature that means some kind of change of era is coming. This was a giant of a man. This was "Mary's Pope." It was the Pope of her secret. It was as if he was there to prevent or stave off a (long-overdue) chastisement and now he is gone.
The way he died could not have been more dramatic, the "culture of life" Pope dying two days after Terri Schiavo in a benchmark case on the value of life -- she prematurely put to death, in commotion, in terror, he dying with all the dignity with which the old, infirm, and disabled should die.
There was the Pope who had fought for Terri nearing the same end of the road (with even a feeding tube) but in a way that was natural and calm, in a state of prayer, such that he was able to tell his aides he was "happy" and that they too should be happy and then ending his life with Mass, more prayer, and the word, "Amen."
The very way he died was "prophetic." You can't get a much more pointed ending.
And then there is the Divine Mercy saint, St. Faustina, who quoted Christ as foreseeing a "spark" that would come from Poland and herald His "final coming." The Church is extremely and rightly wary when the Second Coming is claimed, but in this case it comes from a saint who was recently canonized -- by John Paul II.
Could it really be a case of approaching such monumental events? If not the Second Coming, a manifestation? Or is there much more yet to play out?
There is St. Faustina and then there was the prophecy of mystic Maria Esperanza -- who in a book foresaw that before a manifestation of Christ and the onset of major purifying events "an innocent person whom He loves a lot will die, an innocent person. This will shock the world, will move the world."
To a growing number of people, that sounds like Theresa Marie Schindler [funeral display, left, or here].
And so the prophetic pulse beats -- rapidly. Eclipses and comets have long been seen by humans as signposts. It was Halley's hanging over Jerusalem that seemed to foretell of the destruction there in the first century (like the sword of Damocles) and there were two eclipses or at least unusual darkness that occurred near Palestine in AD 29 and AD 33 -- events that, for some Christians, give astronomical proof to the biblical account that the sky darkened at Jesus' death on the cross.
In ancient China was the belief that eclipses occurred when the "gods" dispatched a dragon to eat the sun. The word "eclipse" comes from a Greek word, "ekleipsis," which means to "fail or be abandoned" -- and indeed eclipses are often associated with the downfall of kings and other leaders. "The sun has perished out of heaven and an evil mist hovers over all," was Homer's horrified account of an eclipse in The Odyssey.
The one expected Friday as the Pope is buried will be what is known as a "hybrid eclipse," part of a "ballet" in celestial physics (as the press describes it) between the sun, earth and moon. "Friday's event will last three hours and 24 minutes," reported a news service. "It begins at 18:54 GMT southeast of New Zealand, then races eastwards on a line north of the Galapagos Islands, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia and finally Venezuela, where there will be a 33-second annular eclipse at sunset at 22:18. People living in New Zealand and to the north and south of this central line, including most of the southern United States, will see a partial eclipse -- the Sun will appear to have had a "bite" taken out of it. It will be visible on Friday along an arc ranging from the southwestern Pacific to South America, at a time it will already be night in Rome."
The next hybrid eclipse will take place on April 20, 2023. Is there something in that year, or around that time? Was not something around then associated with Medjugirje or mystics such as Josyp Terelya of the Ukraine?
But back to St. Malachy. As one encyclopedia notes: St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes," ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of St. Malachy or forgeries.
"The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the popes, and the silence of St. Bernard especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy," is a strong argument, say some, against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years," it notes.
Is there really anything to do? Some say that if it is really St. Malachy's prophecy, there could be the intervention of popes between the next, De Gloria Olivae ("from the glory of the olive"), and then the last one he allegedly mentioned, Petrus Romanus ("Peter the Roman").
They say he may only have been noting the especially significant pontificates, not every single one.
If not -- if the number he named forms a finite set -- there are only two more popes left, since Malachy saw only 112 of them.
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Eclipse on pope's funeral
06/04/2005 07:53 - (SA)
Paris - Those who say eclipses herald history-shaping events will find support for their superstition when, on Friday, the sun will be briefly plunged into darkness on the day of Pope John Paul II's funeral.
Astronomers, though, say the eclipse, while of a rare and intriguing type, was calculated long ago and is simply part of a ballet in celestial physics between the sun, earth and moon.
It will be visible on Friday along an arc ranging from the southwestern Pacific to South America, at a time it will already be night in Rome.
The event will be a rare type called a "hybrid eclipse", expert Fred Espenak says on his website sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov.
Along the central part of its path, some sections will have a total eclipse, in which the moon will completely obscure the sun.
On other sections of the track, though, it will be an annular eclipse - the moon will appear to have a brilliant, blazing ring around it.
Curvature of the earth
Total eclipses occur when the moon comes between the earth and the sun, completely obscuring the solar disk for a few minutes and illuminating the landscape in an eerie light. The eclipse follows a West-to-East track that lasts several hours until the alignment ends.
Hybrid eclipses occur because of the curvature of the earth, says Espenak.
Sometimes the moon's shadow touches the earth's surface, while at others it falls just short, thus providing the "ring" effect.
Friday's event will last three hours and 24 minutes, according to Espenak's calculations.
It begins at 18:54 GMT southeast of New Zealand, then races eastwards on a line north of the Galapagos Islands, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia and finally Venezuela, where there will be a 33-second annular eclipse at sunset at 22:18.
People living in New Zealand and to the north and south of this central line, including most of the southern US, will see a partial eclipse - the sun will appear to have had a "bite" taken out of it.
Total eclipses were often seen as the harbingers of great events, from droughts and floods to failed harvests and the downfall of kings.
In ancient China, the belief was that an eclipse was caused when the gods dispatched a dragon to eat the sun. The monster then had to be chased away with dances, incantations, the clashing of cymbals and the unleashing of arrows and fireworks.
Even the word "eclipse" comes from a Greek word, "ekleipsis", which means to fail or be abandoned.
"The sun has perished out of heaven and an evil mist hovers over all," was Homer's horrified account of an eclipse in The Odyssey.
Two eclipses occurred near Palestine in AD29 and AD33 - events that, for some Christians, give astronomical proof to the biblical account that the sky darkened at Jesus' death on the cross.
Total solar eclipses happen about once every 18 months or so, although two partial eclipses occur somewhere on earth each year. The next hybrid eclipse will take place on April 20 2023.
Reading that article gives me the shivers! And it also brings to mind some specials on Prophecy broadcast a decade ago by cable TV (TLC or Discovery Channel), which mentioned the St. Malachi prediction. One special analyzed the steps inside the Great Pyramid and predicted just two more Popes, and then the end times. (I mention this for your general interest, not to frighten anyone. It's not up to us to know the time or the date of the Lord's coming.)
Today on Hugh Hewitt a man was talking about visions in Akita, Japan about end times.....go to hugh hewitt.com and read about Akita, Japan visions....ver interesting.
Yes, John Paul II had a special glow about him, an inner sunshine that radiated outward. He was full of love for all humanity.
thanks for the tip on Hugh Hewitt's site, i'll go check it out.
The partial solar eclipse of 18 May 1920 was the highest magnitude partial solar eclipse of the 20th century with a magnitude of 0.9734 out of a possible 1.0 (total solar eclipse). There were 78 partial solar eclipses in the century with 18 May 1920 being the largest in magnitude and viewable over Europe. There were only 228 of all types combined during the century. There were approximately 36520 days in the century.
[ http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEcat/SE1901-2000.html ]
Also some prophecies by Maria Esparanza.
** "an innocent person whom He loves a lot will die, an innocent person. This will shock the world, will move the world."**
[ http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEsaros/SEsaros129.html ]
[ http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEmono/HSE2005/HSE2005.html ]
Only a fool says in his heart that God does not exist.
Pardon my ignorance, but who was she?
Fear is in my heart. Fear of the Lord.
I have not read the article yet.
I have seen some threads going by on the Fr. Malichi stuff but figured if it was worth reading and not to Art Bellish I would get a ping from you first.
Actually, this is bogus. If the solar eclipse had happened when the Pope left us it would have happened the day he died, not on his funeral. This is called "stretching" a prophecy to make it true.
Do you hve links to St. Faustina? I have not been able to find it in the Catholic Encyclopedia
Yes, Akita is the one to read! Sr. Agnes Sassagawa was a great saint even if she is never formally beatified or canonized.
These eclipses are beyond amazing.
A New Pope
In this day where death took place from an office that was so high, a shaking shall begin through these summer months where great leaders of yesterday will lay down their sword and they shall meet their Maker. For the time of the death has come where I will remove some of the old and then millions and millions shall come into the Kingdom at one moment. For in 21 days from now a shaking will take place in the Roman Catholic Church. They will say, No it can not be why would they elect such a person? And then they will say, No we can not do it at this time. But it shall be done and I will bring the Spirit into the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican there will be an infilling of the spirit of the Cardinals and the priests. This day I have received a servant. This day you call him the Pope. This day I call him My son. This day you said a pope has died, this day I say a servant has won.
No I do not have a link. In 1947, Karol Wojtyla traveled to Italy and went to confession with Padre Pio. It is not entirely clear, as no hidden confession ever is, but believed that Padre Pio revealed to him that he would one day be the Roman Pontiff. In 1962, as archbishop, Karol Wojtyla was completely cured from a cancerous tumor, after dispatching a letter to Pio asking for his prayers, by his intercession or that of his angels.
If someone could find a link, that would be nice.
I hardly think an extrememly rare form of eclipse, one that has not happened since 1987, only began happening in 1103, will only next happen in 2023 and will happen for the last time in 2528, well as I was saying, I hardly think that such a rare eclipse corresponding to his funeral events, occuring within a week of his death, corresponding to prophecy, and linked to an eclipse on the day of his birth - well, nevermind.
That certainly is fascinating, and if anyone has a link I would appreciate it as well. The more I learn of St. Pio, the more he amazes me :-)
Unless that is the day his soul emerges from the Purgatory.
Where did you see that such an eclipse never happened before 1103 and will never happen agin after 2528?
The moon casts a shadow where it block sunlight. When the moon goes between the Sun and the Earth (which happens twice a year), that shadow extends towards the Earth. The umbra (the part of the shadow where all sunlight is completely blocked) forms a cone. If the tip of the cone hits the earth's surface, those areas covered by the umbra see a "total" eclipse, where the sun is completely blocked for a period of time that can be a split second or as long as over 7 minutes. But the distance between the Earth and the moon varies, and sometimes the tip of the umbral cone does not extend all the way to the Earth's surface. In such a case people directly under the cone tip see an "annular" eclipse, where the moon's shadow forms a disk smaller than the Sun, and so a ring of the Sun's surface can be seen around the (completely dark) image of the moon.
During any kind of eclipse, the movement of both the Earth and the moon cause the moon's shadow to sweep in an arc across the Earth. In this particular case, the distance between the Earth and the moon is such that the umbral tip is above the Earth's surface at the beginning and end of the eclipse's track, but touches the Earth during the middle of it; thus, it is an annular eclipse in the beginning, becomes total in the middle, and reverts to annular at the end.
I am unaware of any assertion by anyone that in the Earth/moon system's 3.6 billion or so year history this kind of interaction never occurred before 1103 and will never happen again after 2528. What's your source for this?
Well I'd love to have a link, too, and would be happy if someone could find one. Padre Pio was truly a man of God.
If you are still doubting the prophecy how about considering this tidbit on top of the 18 May 1920 birthdate of JPII correpsonding to the largest partial solar eclipse of the century, and on top of the extremely rare "hybrid" solar eclipse (Saros 129 series eclipse) on the 7th day after his death (meaningfully NOT the day of his death), the day of his funeral; so how about this tidbit which seems to also correspond to St. Malachy's prophetic puzzle "De Labore Solis" ("From the labor of the Sun"):
Krakow, Cardinal Wojtyla's pastoral diocese, is also the place where Copernicus toiled and labored on his theory that the Sun was the center of the solar system.
See post 16.
We don't know anything about the duration of the stay in the Purgatory, do we? We only know it happens for most who are justified.
If I'm not mistaken, the First Vatican Council dealt with the theological issue of Purgatory.
The statement that the first one occurred in the 12th century is also inaccurate. Again, that only applies to Saros 129. The referenced page shows them going back into antiquity and forward as far as they've calculated.
What can I say? I'm an Astronomy Merit Badge counselor.
It did, but the duration of the stay is all hypothetical. There may be some folk tradition that speculates on that, but no doctrine. We don't know, for example, how long it takes to purge the aftereffects of a murder, or a broken fast. I would venture to say, we know that it is not knowable. This is one of those things that were a problem with indulgences.
I was referring to the Saros 129 cycle - not any other cycle. If I gave a false impression then I apologize. But according to NASA that cycle STARTED IN 1103 and ENDS IN 2528.
Clearly you are not the most gracious poster, and since we are mourning and reflecting our (and when I say "we" and "our" I'm being very gracious) beloved Holy Father and the awe of God's Glory and signs on this particular thread, why don't you take your ire and misinterpretations elsewhere.
"The statement that the first one occurred in the 12th century is also inaccurate. The statement that the first one occurred in the 12th century is also inaccurate. Again, that only applies to Saros 129."
Yes. That's right. That's what I am talking about. The Saros 129 series. Are you now on the same page as the rest of us?
I see what you are saying. It is an area of speculative theology. The punishment is God's choice. We can't know except through revelation.
The Holy Father did recieve Anointing of the Sick, viaticum, and absolution before he died. Somehow I don't think he'll spend too much time in Purgatory, if any at all. I venture that he is in Mary's arms (or will be very soon).
Now we pray for him. Soon I will ask him to pray for us.
Somebody finally noticed ping.
"The Prophecies of St. Malachy" are a Renaissance fake. It would be fun to write the predictions for popes post-1600 and their names on separate small slips of paper. Draw one from each batch and try to make the prophecy fit the man. That's about what the interpretations of popes post rem amount to. Or how exactly is the scholarly Benedict XIV a "rural animal"? Wake me when it all happens. . . .
Posted by: Sandra Miesel at February 26, 2005 11:06 AM
"Rural animal" definitely is the most hilarious of the Malachy prophecies, except maybe for poor Pius VII being described as a "rapacious eagle." (Ah, say the supporters, but Malachy meant Napoleon, not the Pope himself.)
Posted by: James Kabala at February 26, 2005 05:39 PM
For an excellent book dealing with prophecy: Trial, Tribulation & Triumph described by Fr. William G. Most as "..a solidly theological work...He utlilizes chielf four solid sources, Catechism, Scripture, Tradition, and majority opinions of the Fathers....All of this Birch does, as we said, in a thouroughly scholarly, theological way. Now there will be no excuse for false notions or denials on the Antrichrist and the other last things. We are and should be extremely grateful to our author for this tremendous resource."
About St. Malachy's prophecies, author Birch notes: As discussed earlier, Nostradamus is also excluded. Similarly, the alleged prophecies of St. Malachy as to a "a list" or index of all the Popes from his day to the end of time have neen excluded."
The author notes, "In the opinion of this author, there is sufficient evidence of major "interpolation" of these prophecies.
This great book should be in every Christian home.
The haftarah portion is I Samuel 20.18-42
Jeremiah, Are you saying this is timely for some particular reason?
I think it's very timely in my life. But what particular reason have you shared it?
a seer -- not approved by the Church -- in south America.
Icon of St. Faustina Kowalska written by Marek Czarnecki of Seraphic Restorations in Avon, Conn.
Through the mediation of St. Faustina Kowalska (1905-38), Jesus has given us a teaching on God's mercy, and a new form of devotion known as the Divine Mercy. The devotion centers on veneration of the image of the merciful Jesus. The image was described by the Lord to Sister Faustina, a Polish nun, and then painted by her. The Divine Mercy devotion includes recitation of the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, celebration of the feast of Divine Mercy the first Sunday after Easter, and keeping holy the hour of Christs death.
On Sept. 13, 1935, in Vilnius (now the capital of Lithuania), Jesus "dictated" the words of the Chaplet of Divine Mercy to Sister Faustina. It is important to note that this took place after a vision of an angel, "the executor of Divine wrath," during which the mystic nun, terrified, began to "implore God for the world with words heard interiorly." This was recorded in her diary, Divine Mercy in My Soul (I, 196-197) [Stockbridge, Mass.: Marians of the Immaculate Conception, 2001; subsequent quotes are also from this source]. The next day Christ taught Sister Faustina to pray the chaplet, which she called "the prayer that serves to appease the wrath of God" (I, 197).
St. Faustina Kowalska