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A MOST SOLEMN CALL [FASTING FRIDAYS AGAINST TERRORISM N ALERTS RE NYC ATTACK LOOMING]
BILL SOMERS' "WHAT'S NEW at END TIMES PROPHETIC VISION" http://www.etpv.org/whatsnew.html ^ | 7 AUG 2005 | CHRISTINE DARG

Posted on 08/08/2005 4:34:00 AM PDT by Quix

A Most Solemn Call

Christine Darg

Dear friends,

The following call is a very serious one and right on, I want to add again the call to pray for New York as this City represents by my understanding the main target of the next attack in the US, also as until recently it had the largest concentration of Jewish People in the world.

They call it the "Big Apple" and the Jewish people are the "Apple of God's Eye". I really felt that was a lot of the reason that it became already the target on 9/11, and it will be the again the next one also, it has been prophetically said many times, specially during the past 12 months.....!

Shalom Ueli Surbeck

Message: 1 A MOST SOLEMN CALL by Christine Darg

Message: 2 USA: Al-Qaida's US Nuclear Targets by "Katrina Parnell"

katrinaparnell@yahoo.com

Message: 3 Global: Can Terrorists Build A Nuclear Bomb? by "Katrina Parnell"

katrinaparnell@yahoo.com

Message: 1 A MOST SOLEMN CALL TO BELIEVERS WORLDWIDE TO FAST ON EVERY FRIDAY TO CONTAIN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Christine Darg

christine.darg@btinternet.com

Tue, 26 Jul 2005

Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (Isaiah 58: 6)

Early in the morning before the July 7 bombings in London, sleep eluded me. The Lord said solemnly, ‘I am calling you to call my people to fast and pray every Friday to contain Islamic terrorism.’ The same morning, a brother in Baghdad who is translating into Arabic my book,

‘The Jesus Visions: Signs and Wonders in the Muslim World,’ emailed me concerning Islamic terrorism.

He quoted Jesus in Matthew 17:21: ‘This kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.’ We covenanted to obey the heavenly call and to add regular fasting to our prayers on Fridays.

Within a few hours the call to fast was confirmed by the coordinated attacks on London transport; the subsequent failed attempts of similar coordinated attacks in London encourages us that disasters can be diverted through prayer and fasting.

For many years many of us have been praying and fasting individually for the Moslem people, but the Islamic world is no longer a ‘special interest group’ of concern to just some believers in the Church. The threat of Islamic terrorism has now become the concern of every true worshipper of the God of Israel. In Derek Prince’s book, Shaping History Through Prayer and Fasting, he stated that there are some answers we never obtain until we add fasting to our prayers.

Friday is the day that much hatred, violence and blood-thirsty rhetoric is fomented in fundamentalist mosques around the world. The Lord’s solemn call to fast and pray is not intended to extend into the Sabbath day of rest, which begins Friday evening at mealtime, but is intended to consist of afflicting our souls with fasting during breakfast and/or lunch on Fridays as a way of humbling ourselves and to entreat His mercy corporately. Islamic terrorists crave an ‘Hiroshima’ upon their enemies.

In Israel, a fence can deter some terrorism, but in most nations we cannot build a wall to protect ourselves from sleeper cells. Nevertheless ‘The weapons of our warfare are not physical but are mighty through God for the pulling down of strongholds.’ The weapons of corporate prayer and fasting can bring victory and delay divine judgments in this time of great peril. Corporate fasting is part of the process of humbling ourselves that is being required by Heaven.

‘If My people who are called by My name [YHVH, not Allah] shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.’ (2 Chronicles 7: 14)

As we gave this solemn call first in England at an ‘Open Heaven’ conference July 9 and also in churches in Virginia and in the Washington, D.C. area this past weekend, many have responded to the Spirit’s call and have asked what is involved in this fast. Some say they are not able to fast because of sicknesses. (Be healed!) But this call is not intended to be a ‘religious’ fast.

Ask the Holy Spirit to show you how to participate in this Prophetic Summons during these strategic hours on Fridays: perhaps forfeit one meal, two meals, perhaps a partial fast. But do something by faith to be a part of this corporate response to Heaven.

For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. (2 Chronicles 16:9)

Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (Amos 3: 7)

We humbly implore you not to disregard this call. Many of us for many years in Jerusalem have faithfully banded together to pray specifically for the irreversible overthrow of the Anti- Christ Pharaoh-like principality of Islam that is holding a billion souls captive.

Therefore this call from Heaven was not given to us by chance but because in some measure we have gained a place in intercession concerning this grave issue. Therefore the Lord says, ‘Be not distracted nor indulgent but put your hand to this plough of fasting and prayer and you will be numbered among those who stand in the gap and build up My hedge to avert many calamities and disasters.’

As you fast, pray: --that we will be forgiven for our gross national sins (bullying Israel, abortion, same sex marriages, euthanasia, pornography, sexual predators on children, playing God in laboratories yet denying God and his commandments in schools, courthouses).

As we humble ourselves Heaven may decide not to allow the Islamic terrorists to scourge us with weapons of mass destruction. God who is plenteous in mercy may leave behind a blessing and stay his Hand on ripe judgments. --that the hatred and curses hurled from fundamentalist mosques will be bound and nullified --that sleeper cells will be exposed and all military intelligence will be accurate to avert many national disasters --that our political and religious leaders will cease being politically correct and will deal decisively with Islamic terror in a bold, courageous manner --that the terrorists will be miraculously converted for ‘they know not what they do’ and in their misguided zeal believe they are doing their god a service --pray for many of the terrorists to have dreams and visions and to repent --that misguided suicide bombers and all terrorists will receive a vision and understanding that they are indeed dupes, pawns, murderers and not martyrs and that the reality of their destiny is eternal damnation unless they repent

Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast. . . . Let the priests, the ministers of YHVH, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O YHVH. . . . (Joel 2:15-17)

Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (Isaiah 58: 6)

(Christine Darg, an author and broadcaster who ministers in Israel and the nations, received this call. Her contact is info@exploits.tv)

Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:54:06 -0000 From: "Katrina Parnell"

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Subject: USA: Al-Qaida's US Nuclear Targets

UNITED STATES

Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets Captured documents, terrorists reveal bin Laden's preferred dates, places for 'American Hiroshima'

Al-Qaida's prime targets for launching nuclear terrorist attacks are the nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations, according to captured leaders and documents.

As first revealed last week in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND, Osama bin Laden is planning what he calls an "American Hiroshima," the ultimate terrorist attack on U.S. cities, using nuclear weapons already smuggled into the country across the Mexican border along with thousands of sleeper agents.

The series of attacks is designed to kill 4 million, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history.

At least two fully assembled and operational nuclear weapons are believed to be hidden in the United States already, according to G2 Bulletin intelligence sources and an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by former FBI consultant Paul L. Williams.

The cities chosen as optimal targets are New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Boston and Washington, D.C. New York and Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership.

Bin Laden's goal, according to G2 Bulletin sources, is to launch one initial attack, followed by a second on another city to simulate the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The optimal dates for the attacks are Aug. 6, the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing, Sept. 11 and May 14, the anniversary of the re-creation of the state of Israel in 1948. No specific year has been suggested, however, this Aug. 6 represents the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima attack.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp‘ ARTICLE_ID=45313

Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:01:53 -0000 From: "Katrina Parnell"

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Subject: Global: Can Terrorists Build A Nuclear Bomb?

GLOBAL

Popular Science Article by Michael Crowley 07/27/05

Amid the conflict in Iraq and the hunt for Osama bin Laden, this is a side of the war on terrorism you rarely hear about: the drive to prevent terrorists from acquiring the ingredients for a nuclear bomb. In recent years, operations similar to the one in Uzbekistan have been conducted in Libya, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria. These efforts reflect an intense and growing concern within the U.S. government about the specter of nuclear terrorism.

It is one of the few issues on which President George W. Bush agreed with his former rival, John Kerry, who called nuclear terrorism the greatest threat that we face in the world today.

That threat comes not just from suspected weapons programs in Iran and North Korea, but also from Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Last year Michael Scheuer, who ran the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit for several years in the late 1990s, wrote a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee warning of the "careful, professional manner in which al-Qaeda was seeking nuclear weapons . . . in deadly earnest." More than a decade ago, bin Laden allegedly tried to buy a canister of uranium in Sudan for $1.5 million. (He appears to have been scammed.)

In August 2001, he met with two Pakistani nuclear scientists. And later that year, crude sketches of nuclear weapons were found in Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. Scheuer told CBS's 60 Minutes last year that bin Laden even sought a religious edict from a Saudi cleric on whether he could use a nuclear weapon against America. The cleric's answer: Go for it.

Intent isn't the same as capability, of course. But of more than a dozen nuclear-arms experts I interviewed, almost all agreed that assembling a crude nuclear bomb, though extremely difficult, is by no means impossible.

Just ask Graham Allison. In his recent book Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe, he concludes that a terrorist nuke attack is "inevitable" unless the U.S. works much harder and faster to safeguard nuclear material. A former assistant secretary of defense who served under President Bill Clinton and now teaches government at Harvard University, Allison is actually taking small bets from colleagues that terrorists will detonate a crude nuclear bomb in a U.S. city within a decade. "If this happened tomorrow," he says, "I could almost explain it more easily than I could explain why it hasn't happened."

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,1017201,00.ht ml


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Am very much NOT interested in debating again the likelihood of an AlQaeda nuke.

I believe the call to prayer and fasting is from Holy Spirit. It's worth noting that Holy Spirit warned the author before the first recent London bombing.

May God's wisdom and Spirit lead us all in our prayerful ponderings; in our preparation; in our obedience; in our families; down sittings and uprisings; in our work and in our relationships. May we learn ever more to fix our minds steadfastly on Him for He IS worthy as well as providing PEACE for those who do.

1 posted on 08/08/2005 4:34:02 AM PDT by Quix
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END TIMES DREAMS VISIONS PROPHETIC PING LIST PING.

Hadn't expected to post so soon. But felt constrained to check Bill's website after some early morning prayer and this one was kind of emphasized to me.

May we all follow HIS leading for us personally in such matters.


2 posted on 08/08/2005 4:35:50 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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Added worthwhile docs from today's BILL SOMERS's site's update follow. May Holy Spirit lead you in which ones are worth your time.




A New Order of Things

Roy Resh

For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither has the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what He has prepared for him that waits for Him. Is 64:4

I the Lord have spoken to you many times. I speak to you in your heart of hearts if you have received My Son. Behold, then your eyes observe My works, you see them in your natural world as I blend My Justice with My mercy and My faith. Do you know my gentle voice in your heart? Do you see My works in your midst?

If you have an ear to hear, you hear My voice calling you to Me, to keep your eyes on Me as I lead you through the time of judgment which has come upon My house. My judgment is not to punish, but to bring mercy to the wavering and to bring faith to the obedient when they see My uncompromising righteousness. I am establishing a new order of things, a way that you have not known. New men and women are being raised up who will hear My voice and see My hand. You leaders who established the old order need to be especially attentive to My voice at this time, for your anointing has been lifted. A new mantle is being given to those who are building in My new order. Those of the old order may receive this new mantle if they forsake their works and walk in accordance to My guidance.

Long in preparation, many of My people who have wandered in the wilderness of My new order of things. They have moved when I called them to move, and waited when I called them to wait. It has seemed endless to some, and much of their fruit has withered on the vine of men’s institutions. Now, I am moving among those who have come through the wilderness, who have learned My voice. My mantle is upon them to enter and possess the Promised Land. This Land is not a place in your earth, it is a place in My Kingdom that covers the whole of My Chosen ones, My glorious Bride. It has not entered into the heart of man what I have prepared for the faithful, yet their faith is but a gift to them and to the others that their mantles touch. Don not be proud of the faith that I have given you, and do not gather with new groups who have this unlimited faith, but gather only as I call you to do My works. Hear My voice in your spirit, and gather in a sacred and solemn assembly with thankfulness that you have become My Chosen, My Bride. I will instruct you as you assemble in this new order of things, but only if you forsake your old orders and let Me bring you together in the one-accord spirit that I gave to your fathers.

This is the time that I am healing the families, bringing husband and wife together in love to be helpmeets and to guide their children in the way that they ought to go. Pray that broken families will be healed, that love will flow among the mixed families, and that My government will again be seen upon the earth. It will not look like any of the legal governments, for it will be invisible to both the political and religious systems of man. Yes, there will be persecutions, but these are to purify and perfect, and to bring My truth to a world lost in its selfish pursuits.

Do not remember the things of the past, for they are passing away to make way for My future, My government upon the earth. The power of My new order of things will astonish all. No one has yet seen such a government, where from the least to greater things than He did when He walked among you, because He has come to sit on My throne, to rule in My stead.

Come to Me. Keep your eyes fixed on Me. Hear My voice. I am your Source and deliverer. Give Me an ear. Let no man take your crown, but let Me love through you to build up My body and reach a lost world that I ache to redeem. Now it has begun, and I call you to remain meek and lowly, as He was in your midst. Let all things be to My glory! All things!

Aug 5, 2005


3 posted on 08/08/2005 4:41:59 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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A Season Of Transformation

Brenda Dowdin

Beloved:

You are entering a season of "Transformation". This season will be one of supernatural phenomenon. One in which I will break in and change hearts. I will break in and bring swift, quick change. Things that have been deep down inside of your emotions will begin to surface and be dealt with. I will gently deal with any buried bitterness and bring forth a sweet healing balm of my Spirit. There are many in my body I am desiring to use. I am dealing with all the old waste places, these are the ones that you could not get to. The ones that only I can see, oh but they have stunned the growth of my Beloveds. Pressure is coming to bring things to a head. I am "Baal Perazim", the God of the "break through".

This is a new season, many things are about to bud forth and break through. What you have been praying for and longing for is now within reach. Don't allow discouragement to dictate your future. Your destiny is in me, that is the victory! I overcame and now so can you!

2 Sam 5:19-20 "So David inquired of the Lord, saying, "Shall I go up against the Philistines? Will you deliver them into my hand? And the Lord said to David, "Go up, for I will doubtless deliver the Philistines into your hand." So David went to Baal Perazim, and David defeated them there; and he said, "The Lord has broken through my enemies before me, like a breakthrough of water." Therefore he called the name of that place Baal Perazim."

Isa 55:12-13 "You will go out in joy and be led forth in peace; the mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees of the field will clap their hands. Instead of the thorn bush will grow the pine tree, and instead of the briers the myrtle will grow. This will be for the Lord's renown, for an everlasting sign, which will not be destroyed."

Blessings Beloved One's, Lovingly In Him,

Brenda Dowdin firebrand007@hotmail.com

Command Authority

Brenda Dowdin

Beloved,

The enemy has used whips and chains on my people for far too long. I am releasing my people from their captivity, you are no longer slaves to those things that captured your flesh. I have set you free this day. Stop acting like a slave! You are Kings and Priests!

This day I am clothing you with righteousness and majesty...

I will bring tangible experiences so you will know you are royalty. You are clothed with my presence, with my righteousness. My mantel will cover you and when you come in to a room my presence will, "Command Authority! The enemy will flee, instead of you receiving the enemies lashing of the whip, he shall flee for fear as He sees my mantel of righteousness upon you. This is a new day. You shall see my glory upon my righteous ones...

I tell you the truth, my Bride is rising up in majesty and splendor!

This is her day to shine! Put on your garments of praise. They have been prepared by my hand of grace. I have sewn precious jewels upon your wedding garment as you have passed through the fires of perseverance and fiery trials. It has hurt me at times as I let you go through the trials, but I saw down the road, I saw my character being forged in you. I saw the beauty of the Father beginning to really shine brilliantly through you! Ah, you are beautiful my Bride! Each live you have touched has been a beautiful jewel in your crown of righteousness...I wish you could see yourself as I see you! Trust me, your Beautiful - my Bride! Continue to rise up in my presence. Shout my glorious praises, I am about to plunder the enemies camp in ways he's not encountered! SHOUT PLUNDER!, to the enemies camp! For my glorious works are about to be displayed for all to see!!!

Begin to Whistle with joy!

I have whistled and have sent the bees and the flies after the enemy...his judgment has begun! Whistle with me! Isa 7:18 "And it shall come to pass in that day that the Lord will whistle for the fly that is in the farthest part of the rivers of Egypt. And for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. They will come, and all of them will rest In the desolate valleys and in the clefts of the rocks. And on all thorns and in all pastures." I have sent out judgment upon those who have brought oppression to my little ones! (I am talking about the enemy here, not people! The battle is not with flesh and blood, but spiritual wickedness in high places!)

Whistling confuses the enemy, he can't tell where the sound is coming from...It sounds the alarm, it calls him on the carpet for ill legal moves. It commands authority! It polices the airways! Whistle while you work, you are doing more then you realize!

Then call forth my angels, they are waiting on the mountain tops to assist you! I say call them down for help! They will enforce the whistling of the Lord! My honey comb is coming over the peoples of the earth. My sweet honey is coming. It is my anointing. It is pure and clean. It is full of my revelation, my new wine. It is the new thing I am doing upon the earth realm! Follow me in obedience, follow me in worship, follow me in strategic strategies to loose the enemies holds, and to set the captive free. You are moving in to a new level of intercession. You are moving up in to a new plateau with me. I will allow you too see the open heaven. I will allow you to see the supernatural. I will allow you to see that which will forever change your life. Follow me, I beacon you, follow me!

Isa 42:9-13, "Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them. Sing to the Lord a new song, And His praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea and all that is in it, you coastlands and you inhabitants of them! Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory to the Lord. And declare His praise in the coastlands.

The Lord shall go forth like a mighty man ; He shall stir up His zeal like a man of war! He shall cry out, yes, shout aloud! He shall prevail against His enemies!"

Lovingly in Him,

Brenda Dowdin

firebrand007@hotmail.com

Punching Holes

Brenda Dowdin

Beloved,

Your praise is punching holes through the oppression that's trying to discourage you. Don't listen to the enemies lies any longer. Punch holes through with "Violent Praise". Allow my spirit to teach you and guide you in all truth. Trust me, your praise is pushing the enemy back. I flood in when praise arises from your mouth. I come near, and the enemy flees for fear of my presence. My strategies are going deeper in to your spirit in this new season. The reality of praise is going to forever change your spiritual sight. You will see a tangible change with "Violent Praise". Let your motive always be out of your love for me, but the byproduct of that praise is me pushing the enemy completely and entirely off your land!

This is the day of deliverance. The struggle has become more intense because victory is sure and coming quickly. Don't' let your emotions rule you. Look to my word and promises. It really is the "real", not what the enemy would try and tell you. Believe me, I am going to cause you to rise up and be a doer of my word. You will walk in truth, healing and deliverance and all of your family. It is time to rise up Beloved. Be my word! Speak my truth. Be my truth. You are putting me on as I garment, like a mantel. I have stripped your old garments off and replaced them with your wedding garments. I have dealt with old waste places and its time to begin to act like royalty! You are my Bride and I am the King!

Push with Violent Praise, Read my word out loud and declare it...it is your first line of defense! Ask me to bring my angels down in to every situation in your life and take over to build my kingdom. Call them down from the Mountain Tops! You will be incredibly delighted and surprised!

Sitting still is going backwards, push, push, push. Pursue me, while I am calling you! Push Beloved! New things are being birthed this month. Labor Day is before you!

Ps 22:3 "But you are holy, Enthroned in the praises of Israel." When you worship Me, it lavishes me with love and adoration, and I rise up in my Glorious Splendor and I draw near to you. When I see you praise me, in spite of your difficult circumstances ..you touch my heart! Believe me Beloved. I have seen each time you pressed in to me and praised me in spite of the circumstances....I have used this to increase your faith and build my character in you. You please me incredibly!

But, now I am going to "breakthrough" for you, it is coming very soon! Its Time! Praise Me like you've already seen the miracle you need! Praise like you are already in heaven! You are releasing a new level of faith, and I will surly come in like a flood of water and breakthrough for you......

I love you Beloved! Know that, and wear it as your mantel today! Raise up your chin, stand up straight and tall, put your shoulders back, take on my posture! I am humble, but I stand straight and tall because of my righteousness, you need to do the same! Remember I truly love you and I have clothed you! You are made in my image!

Lovingly in Him,

Brenda Dowdin

firebrand007@hotmail.com

Aug 7, 2005

Mending The Net

Brenda Dowdin

Beloved,

Don't be surprised when I begin to bring old relationships back in to your life. Some of these are for a time of building you up and others are in need of mending. Restoration of all sorts is about to take place. A brokenness of heart and humility will be the bond of honey that will break every dividing wall down and deeply penetrate the hearts. I am mending my "Net" of people. I am closing every back door and bringing in a very large catch.

Get ready to cast out your nets! Let me mend the weak places, let me use you as honey....let me breakthrough you in humility and cause unity to be spread abroad... Get ready for a large dose of my honey. It will be like liquid golden love when it hits you.. its my very presence, my anointing! Yield to it and spread my love abroad... I love using you Beloved. I love to flow through you. You please me so.... spread my love Beloved one!

Lovingly In Him,

Brenda Dowdin

firebrand007@hotmail.com


4 posted on 08/08/2005 4:47:29 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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A Sweeping Move

Patrick McBane

The prophetic picture I got was of a heavenly broom and a heavenly dust pan in the hands of the Lord.

He was sweeping things together. He was sweeping things into place. His sweeping wind of change was blowing across the lives of people who were desirous of Him. His sweeping hand was gentle yet purposeful. The sweeping was a gathering together of hearts who have been and will continue to seek after Him and position themselves as set apart for Him.

The broom quickly changed into a winnowing fork and the Lord began to lift and sift that which was gathered.

Separate unto Me, consecrate unto Me, get ready, get ready, get ready. For this is the 'Day of the Lord'. For a day is like a thousand years - and a thousand years is like a day. The culmination of years is being formed into One Day. This is not a day as we know it, but a day in God's economy where many things that have been on hold will begin to release. It will be a day when those things which were held back will be ushered quickly into existence. It will be a day of mercy, grace, direction and positioning. Watch, says the Lord. Watch as I lift many of you out of what was insignificant and restraining and place you into position for such a time as this. The waiting - the wandering - the wondering is coming to an end, and the beginning is like that of a new day in His presence with great clarity, confirmation and calling being fulfilled. Bless His Holy Name!

Patrick McBane

McBaneP@pios.com


5 posted on 08/08/2005 4:49:07 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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BUMP


6 posted on 08/08/2005 5:16:52 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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THANKS MUCH for the bump.

You don't seem to be on the ping list. Please let me know if you want in the list.


7 posted on 08/08/2005 5:19:19 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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Thank you, friend.


8 posted on 08/08/2005 5:47:15 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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Many thanks for the ping.


9 posted on 08/08/2005 6:11:21 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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Thanks for the ping!


10 posted on 08/08/2005 6:31:21 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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U R QUITE WELCOME. THX 4 BUMP.


11 posted on 08/08/2005 8:42:50 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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U R WELCOME.

THX 4 THE BUMP.


12 posted on 08/08/2005 8:43:33 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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U R WELCOME.

THX 4 THE BUMP.


13 posted on 08/08/2005 8:44:04 AM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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BTTT


14 posted on 08/08/2005 5:00:47 PM PDT by Quix (GOD'S LOVE IS INCREDIBLE . . . BUT MUST BE RECEIVED TO . . .)
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"His Cup Is Running Over" Part I
By Charle Homan And Ueli Surbeck 11 Sept 2005

I SAW GOD'S CUP OF WRATH RUNNING OVER. IT IS SIMPLY TOO FULL.

"I will destine you to the sword. All of you will bow before the executioner, for WHEN I CALLED YOU DID NOT ANSWER, WHEN I SPOKE, YOU DID NOT LISTEN, YOU DELIBERATELY SINNED -- BEFORE MY EYES -- AND CHOSE TO DO WHAT YOU KNOW I DESPISE. Isaiah 65. 1 - 12 NLT

I was with the angels flying over North America, I saw the angels stamping the Nations that would be devastated, as we flew over with a sign as a Roman Numeral II.

North America was first then we went to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey. And then it went over to Europe, but with the exception of Greece, first to Italy, and then the whole of Europe, the angels were laying a blanket of black
over the entire group of Nations, and it represented judgment. Spain ... then I came back to North America and I saw Canada and Hawaii, and I turned around and saw Australia, but only half of it, as the other half seemed to have disappeared ... then I saw Indonesia, Malaysia,
Russia and China, and then going to Africa and then it went to Israel.

Then there were these two other visions, which were given later, but it seems good to hang them on to as they go in the same line [along with] the word above. It was the vision about an earthquake through North America, splitting it in the middle about a mile deep from Houston, Texas straight up across America. It will come before the US has recovered from the actually flooding at the south coast ... . Later the Lord spoke the following sentence, "the slaughter of the innocent has begun".


A few days later the Lord gave the following visions with a special concern for NYC.



FIRST VISION

I saw the sky and suddenly out of the sky airplanes where falling everywhere. It was like ripples, there where ripples in the sky, like there are in water. These ripples where like sound waves or electronic disturbance directed
from the ground against these airplanes which made them fall out of the sky.

SECOND VISION

I saw many warehouses, and then the ocean with a harbor appeared. In the harbor was a cruise ship which was on fire and sinking. I was in the water outside the ship. I could see many animals in the water around the ship. They started moving, and [I thought] they must be somehow crocodiles or whatever. They were there eating up those who tried to jump into the water escaping the fire on the ship. I tried to tell them don't jump. I was screaming and screaming but it was useless, but they didn't listen and jumped anyway.

THIRD VISION

Suddenly, I was in the water (somehow in the harbor area in New York) I could see people floating in the water with all kinds of things. I was shocked and moved back as I looked down I saw the head of the statue of Liberty in the water next to me. Suddenly a big hole was blown out in the midst of the skyscrapers. People where melting like wax. It must have been a nuclear explosion. Then, in addition to this explosion, suddenly I saw flat [all the way] across the map of the United States, and saw the following names jumping up. I heard the names of the cities as I saw them raise up off the map. Somehow I knew that these cities would be attacked at the same time: Cincinnati, San Francisco, Montreal, Atlanta, Dallas and Washington, DC.

FOURTH VISION

Then I saw Mexico City. There were three planes trying to land at the same time came in from three different directions and crashed mid-air.

Then came Hawaii and I saw some tragedies, must be through some type of big wave, like Tsunami wave. Tragic, wiped out I believe the islands were sunk ... then at the end I saw written: "CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN".

Then about two days later, the vision about New York came back very strong. I was again under the water, the Statue of Liberty was in the water with me, I said Lord take me out of the water, take me out, now, praise God I was cold, it was so real, and I saw again the hole which was blown into the skyscrapers. it seemed that it was important for me to be under in or under the water, vantage point. I suddenly saw something.

I saw and a submarine coming to the surface and then after this there were many, it was like a fleet, and they were Russian, which was important for me to see. They all came to the surface of the Harbor, (with the hole in the buildings) and looked to me like the inside of the hole was
coming out around the hole like it had been shot from the North to the South. Russia ... I saw black Helicopters everywhere and men coming out on ropes and invasions of a sort... .

I saw another fleet of ships going towards the disaster and then I saw a ship compass and the compass was in the direction of Southwest.

After this we prayed specifically to receive an indication about timing. As we prayed the Lord gave me a vision about a boat which wrote in the water 23 (it came from top to down) in the spirit I knew this was January.... (1- 23) and then the boat came again and wrote 2006 from the left to the right.

FIFTH AND LAST VISION

The Sword of the Lord is hanging over America. I have felt that I am underwater since I have arrived, it is awesome because I think that when I went into the water in the vision somehow I stayed spiritually in the water for the vantage point in the water is very important right now. I saw the map of America and it isn't a star as I saw in the beginning, I saw it is a sword, God gave me great detail It is His Judgment! The sword of the Lord hanging in the balance against America ... . It firm and standing boldly and CANNOT BE MOVED!



Personal comment (by Ueli):

The first vision gave somewhat of an overview of the coming judgments, which will be all over the world, but it is very clear it is starting in North America!

In the second part there is a clear emphasis given for the United States of America and this is very serious. What we received is part of the big picture, no prophet is given all ... but what is very clear, the destruction which occurred through Hurricane Katrina is only the beginning.

TWO SPECIFIC THINGS ARE CLEARLY ANNOUNCED BY SEVERAL PROPHETS:

1. A coming earthquake which will divide America in the middle. While many prophets have seen this vision about America being split so it is another confirmation. ...

2. And an attack in New York, which has been given already to some other people like Oral Roberts, Michael Boldea etc. and it is what is called the "second blow".


Part II: Released December 30, 2005

Dear Brothers in Christ, The following Prophecies are in need of very urgent consideration ... . The hour is short and God is very serious about what He is doing. MAY HE RECEIVE ALL THE GLORY!

"When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will save his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman's hand." Ezekiel 33: 2 - 6



Confirmation of the Vision

The important part of this vision, shared in Part I was, that an attack would come to New York, and 6 other City's in North America, namely: Cincinnati, San Francisco, Montreal, Atlanta, Dallas and Washington DC.

The Lord gave specific date: January 23 2006 Please
understand, "We are WATCHMAN", it is not our prayers that these tragedies should come, but it's what the Lord has shown us that would come, and we release this first and this second word, as a call to prayer, and through prayers and actions many of this things can be maybe not stopped, but diminished, that people can be made aware and prepare in the right way!


During the past few weeks, the Lord gave us several additional pieces to the first word, which we would like to compile in this article, as we feel that this issue is very important!

The first confirmation, we received was in Dover, Tennessee on October 23, 2005.

While we were preaching I asked my wife to share the vision about New York and the 6 Cities. At the end of the Service a young boy named Shae, twelve years old, came to us and shared with us that he had a similar dream during the month of August 2005, (The same time Charlotte had the vision in Israel).

Right after Shae shared with us his dream, another couple came to us, with their daughter who was seven years old. The mother had a journal in which she had written down all the dreams her daughter had. The mother turned back about 7 pages, where she had written down her daughter's dream about New York. (It was very similar to other vision) "In her dream she was also in the water when she saw the Statue of Liberty's head in the water and she had also drawn it that way in the Journal and above the picture it said "It was still January" (her daughter also had the dream in August).

Then after church service, we went out to eat, and another friend shared the following: She has a daughter (they all go to this church where we were preaching) whose birthday is on the 23 of January. Two years ago, a prophet in their church gave her a word, that in two years on her birthday, something horrific would happen in America. When my wife shared about January 23, 2006, the man that said that to the daughter was in the service that night and stared at her until they made eye contact.

Maybe you can imagine, that after sharing this word, and receiving 3 confirmation in one day, we started to pray trying to understand what the Lord might be trying to say on this issue. During the following weeks, we continued to pray concerning each city, and what kind of attack the enemy is planning to do.

The Lord gave us the following visions as we prayed:

Cincinnati

I have never been there, but in a vision I saw a bridge on the West side close to the downtown area, then I saw Covington) written? The bridge was suddenly swept away by something that came so quickly (from the East side), I am not sure if it was water or a explosion of some sort.)

San Francisco
I saw a suspension bridge and under the water on the pilings or supports of the bridge I saw men placing large targets. Further out in the water I saw submarines aiming at the targets. I then saw a long pier out in the water in another area and I saw large cargo ships crashing into the pier, more coming ashore, five altogether. The cargo ships seemed to be running by remote control.

Montreal
I saw a large suspension bridge near the city blow up.

Atlanta
I saw something going underground. Like a train or subway and I felt like this was showing where the problem would originate, but that is all that I saw.

Dallas
I saw myself away from the city, and I saw someone go underground, in awhile I heard an explosion in the center of the city and a large group of buildings, (many city blocks) blew up from the bottom up.

Washington, DC
I seemed to be in Washington, I have never been there before. I saw the White House in the distance and then all of a sudden I saw a white flash. I saw a man go into a bunker and I followed him down there, I didn't see him again, it seemed to be some kind of command center, but everyone was not moving and whatever the blast was affected everything.


May God's Mercy and Grace be upon North America.
Ueli and Charlotte Surbeck


Confirming Word “Jim Bramlett“ Jan 13, 2006

The other day I received the below vision from Ueli & Charlotte Surbeck. Ueli is from Switzerland but is now in the U.S. via Jerusalem, where he met Charlotte. Their vision is about a soon-coming attack on six American cities and because it is so date-specific (January 23, 2006) and because we have had so many false alarms, I have hesitated to forward it. I am now motivated to share it because of a related, alarming report today by Jack Kinsella in the Omega Letter, which says in part:


"Experts Warn of Impending al-Qaeda Attack"

According to an ABC News report, federal agents are investigating a sudden spike in the sale of unregistered disposable cell phones. In Midland, an alert Wal-Mart employee contacted federal agents after six individuals of apparent Middle East origin tried to purchase sixty cell phones in one transaction. At least one of the suspects was identified as being from Iraq and another from Pakistan, officials said. On New Year's Eve, a customer of evident Middle East origin bought 150 disposable 'trac-phones' from a Target Store.

Trac-phones are disposable telephones with prepaid minutes already attached. Other reports have come in from other cities, including Dallas, and from authorities in other states. Authorities in Pennsylvania, New York and other parts of Texas confirmed that they were alerted to the cases, and sources say other jurisdictions were also notified. The Midland, Texas, arrest report police also identified the individuals as linked to a terror cell ... ."

With that background, the vision reported by Ueli & Charlotte Surbeck takes on additional significance. I cannot confirm its accuracy so judge it for yourself. The timing relative to the Omega Report news and the vision is intriguing. Pray that the enemy's plan will be thwarted and God's will be done.


15 posted on 01/21/2006 6:41:31 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl; DAVEY CROCKETT; All

A New Year's Dream: Nightmare Or Prophecy?
Chuck Colson -  January 3, 2006

               Something very strange happened to me this past week. I was seated in my library chair, mulling over current events, trying to make a few New Year's predictions, which is the custom for commentators. I was concentrating hard, when suddenly, I saw before my eyes a headline from the New York Times. It read, "Congress Votes to End War; Troops Ordered to Abandon Iraq."

            The view changed. Just as in Vietnam three decades ago, I saw Americans clinging to helicopters, trying to get themselves out of Baghdad along with friendly Shiite Muslims. There was massive confusion, bombs going off in the background.

            And then, I saw pictures out of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda had toppled the new Afghan government. Marines and soldiers again were hurriedly boarding choppers. It can't be real, I thought - but it was.

             The next thing I saw was a picture of Palestine, where most of the al Qaeda terrorists had now gone. The Israeli government was in disarray, reeling under a series of huge bomb blasts in Jerusalem.

            Country after country was falling to the Islamic fascists: Saudi Arabia. Turkey.Egypt. For the most part, the terrorists simply refused to ship oil, and what they did ship was priced at over $150 a barrel. It was a worldwide crisis. Europe quickly signed a non-aggression pact with al Qaeda in exchange for oil.

              Then came the most devastating picture of all: panic in the streets of Washington, D.C. as a dirty bomb exploded not a quarter of a mile from the Capitol. Huge sections of the city were cordoned off, uninhabitable. Even people with the best protective equipment suffered serious radiation burns. Projections were that the area would be off-limits for years. Then came the bombing of the Holland Tunnel, connecting New York and New Jersey, then the collapse of the pillars of the Golden Gate Bridge.

             The government threatened retaliation; of course-but there was no one to retaliate against. The Islamo-fascists were spread throughout the world, and it was impossible to strike against all the countries that were harboring them or being run by them. Osama bin Laden himself appeared on Al Jazeera, boasting that he had known all along that the Americans wouldn't fight.

            By now, most American television was not operating. But I could still get one channel. Talking heads were arguing frantically over how this could have happened. One man's voice stood out when he said, "It was all so foreseeable. Once you rule religion a private matter, and declare all religions alike, no one in this country could understand the dimensions of a great religious struggle. No one understood the clash of civilizations or the evil of Islamo-fascism. We didn't even have the language to describe religious beliefs anymore. Destruction was inevitable."

   And that's when I woke up in a cold sweat.

              It was 5:00 a.m. I went immediately to the front door. Good-the newspaper was there. I flipped it open. There was nothing in the headlines, except the confirmation fight over Alito and more quibbling over Iraq-all the usual banter that goes on endlessly in the press. But as I walked into the house, my knees were still shaking.

   It was only a dream. We're okay, I told myself.

  Or are we?

Is January 23rd  Significant?

   We found a list of about 175 “January 23rd” items.  We are including a few here.  It was very interesting to get to the end of page page four.  I’m including that first.

1) January 23, 638   The start of the Islamic calendar.
2) January 23, 1492   The Pentateuch (Jewish Holy Book) was first printed.

3) January 23, 1556   The most deadly earthquake kills 830,000 in Shensi Province, China.
4) January 23, 1812   7.8 earthquake shakes New Madrid, Missouri.

5) January 23, 1950   Israeli Knesset resolves that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
6) January 23, 1962   Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia plan to form the United Arab Maghreb.

7) January 23, 2006   It will depend on you and your prayers.

CHUCK COLSON


16 posted on 01/21/2006 6:46:26 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning; JustPiper

Thanks JM we had seen the last one's you posted and were discussing see link below...keep me on your ping list:)

I had not seen the dates you posted and will repost on this thread...back about 100 post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1550424/posts?q=1&&page=1201


17 posted on 01/21/2006 7:16:44 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Thanks.

Have been busy and tired. May have missed it the first round.

Happy to keep you on my ping list.

Please let me know what you think worth reading, too.


18 posted on 01/21/2006 7:27:24 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Quix
In addition to fasting you can always spend an hour with Christ in the Blessed Sacrament on Fridays!!


"The best, the surest , and the most effective way of establishing everlasting peace on the face of the earth is through the great power of perpetual adoration of the Blessed Sacrament." -- Pope John Paul II


"Could you not watch one hour?" -- Mark 14:37

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Pope Benedict XVI during the Corpus Christi procession

19 posted on 01/21/2006 7:28:39 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: thefactor

Ping...


20 posted on 01/21/2006 7:29:52 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Quix
[FASTING FRIDAYS AGAINST TERRORISM N ALERTS RE NYC ATTACK LOOMING]

Oh, yeah, early August 2005 and an attack against NY is looming.

21 posted on 01/21/2006 7:33:38 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Salvation

Thanks.

Quix is not back.

He's still banned. As far as we can tell, mostly for posting a prophecy which asserted that God used Katrina as judgment and claimed that America was the Biblical Babylon slated for heavy judgment. The New Orleans Mayor sort of said the same thing with impunity hereon! LOL.

He clearly irritated the religion forum powers that be as well as the evidently well connected dogmatic ones thereon.

So, he was told that he'd worn out his welcome hereon. Whatever that means.

I'd dearly like to see him reinstated. All the more so for his perceptive inputs in these trying times.

But some even hinted that his statements here put him at risk from mysterious forces.

I just greatly miss having his inputs on a diversity of topics here.

He's letting loose with folks on a UFO forum in somewhat usual style though moderated to a much calmer level. I don't see why he couldn't post that way on FR. Guess I have strong biased feelings about it all.


22 posted on 01/21/2006 8:04:09 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: dirtboy

I was searching the forum to see if there was a thread on a prophetic topic or related to a source that Quix had given me this weekend. That produced this thread from back when. It was a poignant shock to see that Quix had started it.

Alas, he's sadly still banned.


23 posted on 01/21/2006 8:08:18 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning
I'd dearly like to see him reinstated.

You're not the only one feeling that way. Several have PMd me and privately e-mailed me expressing fear to comment and wishing he was back posting at FR. Someone evidentally hit the "abuse" button on his post and voila, Quix was bannished. Several of us communicate with him privately as a result of his banishment. Some still post here who have been banished in the past. Don't know if some banishments are just "time-outs" and some are serious forever rulings.

24 posted on 01/22/2006 12:51:33 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

Yeah, I know.

I've tried to get him to write Jim Rob and he's willing but hasn't felt led to do it, yet. I think he feels that Jim Rob would just turn a deaf ear to his message even though he's donated from his meager cash while being banned with no evident hope of being reinstated.

I think he believes that naysayers have so poisoned Jim Rob's attitude toward him that there's no point in him pesonally saying anything to Jim.

I don't think theres a great risk in folks posting related to Quix as long as they don't stir the ire philosophically of certain mods and forum "pets" who are most rabid against his strongly stated philosophical views.

To me, it's particularly sad at this time with all the Al Qaeda, prophecy, Hillary etc. stuff flying around so freely and complexly. To even imply that Quix's values are askew from the core FREE REPUBLIC values is sheer silliness or cluelessness. No one is more functionally, faithfully, rationally patriotic about the USA than Quix.

And, I think his capacity to brainstorm practical ideas is virtually unparalleled on FR though he rarely to never was noted for that. And, his analysis of complex situations with a variety of slants was uncommonly good. He at least spoke well and vividly from the particular Christian group he's a part of. That very patriotic perspective has been missing from FR ever since he was banned. I consider that a serious loss given the battles we are all in.

I should hush or I'll rant more and more. I feel so strongly about it.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH QUIX, PLEASE let me know. He's happy to share his email addy.


25 posted on 01/22/2006 2:25:47 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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BTTT


F.R. is the BEST.


26 posted on 01/22/2006 5:22:28 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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27 posted on 01/23/2006 9:51:28 AM PST by Godzilla (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: JockoManning
"His Cup Is Running Over" Part I By Charle Homan And Ueli Surbeck 11 Sept 2005

Today is Jan 24, 2006. The events prophesied did not occur. These folk are false prophets.

28 posted on 01/24/2006 7:28:58 AM PST by Godzilla (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Godzilla

It's not my perspective.

And, I think your understanding of the traditional meaning of prophet in Hebrew literature and culture is more narrow than was the reality. I think it was a much more robust, rich term than you seem to think it was.


29 posted on 01/24/2006 11:25:45 AM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Quix

I was awakened at the time of the bombings, as well. My son was in London and should have been on that train, but he over slept. I awoke from a sound sleep and went directly to my computer, asking myself, why am I doing this, there is no one on Free Republic at 1:45 in the morning. The first thing I saw was the news of the bombings, before it was reported in the news. I was able to reach my son by cell phone, before the communications were over loaded. He had just left the train station, saying that they had shut down the train and he was not going to be able to get to work, the last day of his internship. He didn't know what had happened. I told him to go back to his apt and stay there. I was so relieved, it was a miracle that God had awakened me and allowed me that reassuarance. It was actually the second miracle, the first was that my son and his friends all over slept.


30 posted on 01/24/2006 11:35:13 AM PST by Eva
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To: All

[Permission granted by the author of this, a believer and a person of prayer, to forward this.]

24 January 2006
To Forum Member: Thanks for your input. Am
responding below to the group on the thread, and
not just to you. There is that curious Scripture
about the demon (I think it was) answering God
that the demon would go and do the requested
deed.

But The Almighty God of The Bible is not a god
that he would lie.

As Spock articulated in the alternative universe
show -- a universe based on evil would
self-destruct in Stardate Umpteeump.

Life and reality are complex. There seem to be an
infinite number of facets on the diamond.

It is easy to assume that the facets in our view
are on one side or the other of OUR line or
criteria on this or that issue. We may not see
*our* error until we see the whole diamond.

It's easy for me, as well, to shake my head in
puzzlement about the non-event following the
prophecies.

However, it still remains that I have no
explanation for the children's visions and other
factors with this packet of prophetic inputs. You
folks who are posting on the forum here think
your explanation that it's all hogwash, silly,
deluded, evil, etc., is valid. I can understand
your positions and feelings. Very understandable
-- especially from your perspectives.

But I'm not at all willing to take a meat axe in
judgment to arrive at a seemingly tidy (but
inadequate) explanation.

I shall continue to consider the jury still out
until and unless God Himself helps me understand
all the above FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE because HIS
PERSPECTIVE is the only one that counts.

You are framing all this from your perspective
and your standpoints. Understandable. We all do.
You conclude that you have all or sufficiently
close to all the information necessary for such a
stance. I don't.

FRAMING -- Framing an issue, situation or reality
is crucial. We can frame a picture and see only a
tiny pine tree. We can frame the same picture and
see a mountain. We can frame it again and see a
range of mountains, or even a continent ... a
globe, a solar system. The larger-scoped frames
do not alter the truth of the lone pine tree. But
it sure does bring a host of other factors into
the picture.

I don't think we know much more about the
situation with the prophecies and the non-events
than maybe an acre's worth of facts around the
lone pine tree. That's likely too few facts to
form the hard rigid judgments that are being made
on this forum.

I do know that more disturbing times in my life
than I like to remember, God has done some very,
very, very curious things to get me into the kind
of space that was necessary to deal with this or
that aspect of my psyche or spirit or person or
maturity (rather lack of). In my younger years
I'd have declared that God would never do such a
thing. But whether one says He allowed it or did
it, He brought it about. And, the result was
beneficial. And, it was true to His righteous
character all along the way whether I thought so
at the time, or not.

Not one of us is in a position to judge God
whether we think we are, or not.

There are many paradoxes in life. Some look like
blazing, brazen contradictions. In my experience,
that's usually because we cannot see the whole
picture. Some facets of the diamond look blue and
others red because of our perspective. God's
perspective is very different.

That does NOT mean we end up with a rubber Bible.
It does mean we ought to maintain some serious
humility whenever we feel inclined to judge God.

I would be quick to judge some of the prophetic
folks if I felt it were warranted. Many of my
close friend believers I've fowarded such to have
certainly already judged them as you folks have
done. I personally don't feel that's called for
in this situation. I have detected no conscious,
deliberate or even deluded hoakiness.

That does not mean I understand or know how to
explain how things turned out. It merely means I
have no need to come down in a black/white harsh
way on the issue at present. I don't know enough.
You think you do. I can understand that. But for
myself, I just don't know enough so I will
withhold judgment.

I'm certain that God WILL HAVE the LAST WORD on
the matter and IN HIS TIME and IN HIS
WAY--whatever that will be.

There are certainly secular news items which
still indicate that the world is getting locked
more and more fully into a situation that only
great trauma will relieve. I'll post shortly in
this thread a doc about Iran threatening to SEAL
OFF THE PERSIAN GULF.

There are other reports of deepening,
intensifying moves by Russia, China, etc., which
clearly are along lines of Biblical prophecies
headed toward a major conflagration.

The non-events of 23 January do not at all
indicate that we should go back to naive
lullabies. Doing so would be very ill-advised.

Somehow I'm reminded of the curious Scripture
about Moses changing God's mind. That's somewhat
of a mind-bending, mind-boggling thought in and
of itself -- that God would change His mind for
any reason and that a man could influence God's
mind to change is a whole 'nother level of
boggling.

I don't know for certain that such happened here
with the intercessory prayers. However, I do know
that the Dallas area sure had a lot of prayer
going up. I do know that such earnest, heart-felt
prayers do change things.

My personal perspective had been and remains that
the bulk of the things predicted were to be
spread out over the next however many months AND
that no amount of prayer would more than moderate
or delay them. That, essentially, sooner or
later, they will transpire.

I still feel that way. I really do not doubt
that, at all.

I have felt for several years that I wanted to
get back to [xxxx] before the world started falling
apart, and then I couldn't get back there due to
circumstances beyond my control. I still feel
that's valid -- especially from a natural
perspective.

Alongside of that, I've begun to feel that God
will get me back there in His ways and timing for
His purposes which may be different than I
imagined them to be. He's certainly capable of
transporting me there any number of ways in any
kind of situation or condition.

At the moment, if I HAD to guess, I'd guess that
God was somewhat moved by prayer and somewhat has
decided to do things a bit differently because of
unknown factors on the geopolitical, spiritual
world stage. I don't know how to explain that.
Wouldn't God have known what was going to change
and what prayers were going to go up? Certainly.
I don't know how to explain it. It's just a mild
to moderate conjecture.

Sometimes I want to yell at God about "2,000
years soon" is rather ridiculous; and that, given
His timelessness, He must not understand our
perspective on time if He can write in His Word
that Jesus is coming back -- essentially 2,000
years -- soon.

But I know in my heart it's a somewhat silly
thought. God understands us thoroughly -- even
about our perspective on time versus His.

At this point, I remain convinced that the bulk
of those sources heard and heard accurately from
God. Something happened or there was "something"
about the timing. Seems wrong. Looks wrong.
Sounds wrong. Feels wrong from a certain type of
reasonable, normal perspective. Easy to label it
"false prophet-ish". But I don't believe that's
so. I don't know how to explain that.

I still choose to 'allow' God to be God. He's God
and I'm not. He owns everything. I don't. He has
all the power. I don't. He knows what He's doing.
I occasionally think I do.


*** +++ ***
Written by a believer and person of prayer
USA


31 posted on 01/24/2006 11:35:25 AM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Eva; Quix

Eva, thank you for sharing this.

Though in September 2004, Quix was permanently banned from FR due to being accused of being unpatriotic for posting a doc that stated Hurricane Katrina was a judgment of God, his contributions are worthwhile in FReeperVille.

I have asked Quix to write Jim Robinon asking for reinstatement, but so far Quix has not felt led to do so.

Quix is sorely missed. FR's not the same without him.

Thanks again for sharing.

God Bless,
JM


32 posted on 01/24/2006 11:53:44 AM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Eva; Quix

Though in

*** September 2005 ***

Quix was permanently banned from FR due to being accused of being unpatriotic for posting a doc that stated Hurricane Katrina was a judgment of God, his contributions are worthwhile in FReeperVille.

Quix is sorely missed, it's not the same without him.


33 posted on 01/24/2006 11:58:39 AM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning

Hey, the man should be re-instated because he is in good company now. The mayor of New Orleans, as well as Robertson, have both made similar statements.


34 posted on 01/24/2006 12:02:07 PM PST by Eva
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To: JockoManning

The man was banned for stating a belief??


35 posted on 01/24/2006 12:04:57 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: JockoManning
It's not my perspective. And, I think your understanding of the traditional meaning of prophet in Hebrew literature and culture is more narrow than was the reality. I think it was a much more robust, rich term than you seem to think it was.

Perspective has nothing to do with it, unless you are going to 'spiritualize' the non-literal fulfillment away. They spoke forth an unconditional and literal judgment from God, by God. It didn't occur. As far as my understanding of the term goes, the prophets (and prophecy) of the new testament are under the same legitimate requirement (although being stoned is not one of them). If you want to blow off the old testament because it is Hebrew in cultural origin, you do so at great risk. Furthermore, the new testament writers were either Hebrews or supervised by them (Luke). Their relation of the term 'prophet' would naturally be within the cultural understanding of the old testament. My review of that term in the new testament show that the definition tends to be the same.

We are warned in the new testament to avoid false prophets. Therefore there has to be a standard of what 'true' is. Taking the instruction of the Bible as a whole, that 'true' is still the factual and actual fulfillment of the prophecy. Again, perception has nothing to do with it, proper biblical evaluation and accountability does. Continued false prophetic utterances given credence harms the body of Christ, not edifies it. And for you information, I am a pentecostal, I believe in the prophetic word and the richness thereof.

36 posted on 01/24/2006 12:31:08 PM PST by Godzilla (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Eva; All

Hey, the man should be re-instated because he is in good company now. The mayor of New Orleans, as well as Robertson, have both made similar statements.

 

Precisely. And actually, he did not state it as being his opinion -- he posted a document from Bill Somers' website with the disclaimer that he didn't know what to make of it and hoped other FReepers would give their reactions.

 

As for his contributions, here's the link to look back at Quix's posts, which I happened to have on my drop-down menu when he was banned, so I could still see it even when the "Nobody by that name" screen appeared where his FReeper page would be:

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=59556;more=27877068

 

 


37 posted on 01/24/2006 12:40:17 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Hi LN_MT,

The man wasn't banned for stating his belief, but for posting a doc from a different website that said Katrina was God's judgment. Quix asked for feedback. There had been more than 300 replies when the next day one FReeper complained it was unpatriotic.

Quix answered that he hoped Americans would prayerfully seek God's face as to how best to be patriotic for the sake of this beloved country so as to continue in His blessings.

Sadly, the "unpatriotic" label struck a nerve somewhere and Quix was permanently banned.

Quix loves the USA as much as any one of us. He is concerned that Americans have a fear and reverance for God.

That's very patriotic. Historically and currently.

FR could use Quix's presence now. I haven't given up hope that the ban will be lifted and he be reinstated.

JM


38 posted on 01/24/2006 12:50:30 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning

Wow...

I guess maybe I'm on the wrong website


39 posted on 01/24/2006 12:52:36 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Sigh. Free Republic is a good site. The BEST. And most FReepers would hold to fearing and reverancing God.

I think it must have been a knee-jerk reaction somewhere in the FR powers that be to ban Quix when one lone FReeper labeled him unpatriotic.

I still hope to see it corrected.

Stay right here, no other website measures up to FR.

Good talkin' with ya.

[I was *born* in MT. But I don't wear a bandana. My dad was doing grad work at M-State.]

JM


40 posted on 01/24/2006 1:11:52 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning

JM

I've been here awhile and had some rather tense discussions with people. But never in my wildest dreams would I think that JR would allow someone to be banned for expressing a belief.

The person who labelled him upatriotic needs to look in a mirror.

I may not like what someone has to say, but by God I will defend to the death their right to say it. Or believe it.


41 posted on 01/24/2006 1:23:50 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: JockoManning; Alex Murphy; topcat54; HarleyD; ksen; Dr. Eckleburg
Quix was permanently banned from FR due to being accused of being unpatriotic

Having had several "discussions" with Quix, I suspect there is much more to it that that.

....it's not the same without him

That, my FRiend, is an understatement.

42 posted on 01/24/2006 1:35:45 PM PST by Gamecock (..ours is a trivial age, and the church has been deeply affected by this pervasive triviality. JMB)
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To: Godzilla

You and I have tons and tons in common.

Though I personally never served in the military (came VERY close to enlisting in the Army), one of my closest relatives worked for the DoD. You understand?

I also know the GREAT I AM to be a Triune God. He has carte blanche in my life to move, Father, Son, AND Holy Spirit.

I dearly love Ephesians Chapter Two. So much so that I memorized most of it.

Now, as for prophecy not happening: Glad you exempt the ones reporting 1/23 was going to be a day of catastrophe from stoning.

I went through yesterday wondering what would happen. Especially because I have family members in DC and Atlanta. I am glad and relieved they are still safe and sound.

I don't sense that any of those hearing that 1/23 was to be a day of pestilence and destruction were grandstanding or Prophe-Lying.

To me, they were sincerely reporting what they heard or saw in the spiritual realm. It didn't happen on 1/23. OKAY. Were they wrong? Apparently. Or maybe, rather than being wrong, something changed to avert such things. Perhaps something stayed the events.

I don't know.

I still hearken to that still small voice. I still humbly pray and seek His face and turn from my wicked ways and wait for Him to heal my land.

If He chooses to speak through some humans, I will discerningly listen.

I don't want to:

1. Say something is of God that is not.

2. Say something is not of God that is.

I still fear Him. My life's hidden with Christ in God.


Eph. 2
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Anyway, I still think you and I have more in common than at odds.

Thanks for the feedback.

JM


43 posted on 01/24/2006 1:38:55 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
I may not like what someone has to say, but by God I will defend to the death their right to say it. Or believe it.
 
Well put, LN_MT.
 
Thanks again,
jm
 

44 posted on 01/24/2006 1:49:59 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: Gamecock

Hi Gamecock, thanks for your comments.

If there's more to his having been permanently banned, I am not aware of it; I still hope to see the ban lifted.

Even if Jim Robinson set some limits with him, such as not copying and pasting long docs from other websites, or some such, and then allow him to come back within such parameters, I think Quix would happily comply.

Quix had plenty to say on many topics, and he was a solid presence here.

JM


45 posted on 01/24/2006 1:56:45 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: JockoManning
Thank you for your comments.

I don't sense that any of those hearing that 1/23 was to be a day of pestilence and destruction were grandstanding or Prophe-Lying.
To me, they were sincerely reporting what they heard or saw in the spiritual realm. It didn't happen on 1/23. OKAY. Were they wrong? Apparently. Or maybe, rather than being wrong, something changed to avert such things. Perhaps something stayed the events.

I proceeded with that grace while waiting to see what will happen since I am very close to one of the targeted cities. With the exception of the false Colson posting, I was willing to accept it at face value. The words indicated a very literal event. The use of phrases like "CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN" and It firm and standing boldly and CANNOT BE MOVED! These statements strongly indicate that the actions were not conditional upon our repentance or anything that we could do.

Now, where does this all lead? Because of the non-occurance of this event, the prophets need to reevaluate how and what they hear. Since it appears that they have made a ministry of being prophetic, their credability has been tarnished with both believers and non-believers who have been exposed to this message. I don't know what their past 'record' is, but they share a higher standard of evaluation and judgement by God (new testament - that of a teacher).

The integrity of their messages must be untarnished, else people will ignore them (cry wolf syndrome) and when the true word of the Lord arrives, people will ignore it because of the reputation of false (as in not occuring) prophecies. My rebuke is that of one to review and be certain of what they hear, and that they must realize that what they put forth as prophecies from the Lord must be undeniable and there are consequences for false or inaccurate words.

46 posted on 01/24/2006 2:22:13 PM PST by Godzilla (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Eva; JockoManning; Gamecock
Hey, the man should be re-instated because he is in good company now. The mayor of New Orleans, as well as Robertson, have both made similar statements.

"Good company"??!! Both Robertson and the mayor apologized for their inappropriate and unsupportable statements. I suspect Quix tried the same tactics. He was a well-known loose cannon.

47 posted on 01/24/2006 2:36:48 PM PST by topcat54
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To: Godzilla

Hello Godzilla,

Fair enough.

You make some very good points.

As for the Colson quote, I apologize for not vetting it before posting. Though I am having a very busy week, I will try to look into it and get back to this thread with whatever I find out.

And you are correct, the phrases CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN & CANNOT BE MOVED were in the words. And yet, 1/23 came and went without such occurences. Not that I wanted traumatic things to happen yesterday, I most certainly did not. I don't understand it. And I agree it's a real dilemma to publicize such and leave folks, believers and unbelievers alike wondering.

I still know God wants to be included in our lives. He loves us. His statutes are for our own benefit. He requires that we answer to Him, if not now, then later.

Time doesn't permit me to post more right now.

Appreciate the dialogue, I will write more at a later time.

JM



48 posted on 01/24/2006 5:25:20 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: topcat54

I wonder if the very lopsided, double-standard hostility some of you displayed to Quix had anything to do with his banning?

There was no warning. No chance for Quix to defend himself against the charge of being unpatriotic. He was just banned.

He was a valued member of FR, and he would be welcomed back by a majority of FReepers.

JM


49 posted on 01/24/2006 5:27:47 PM PST by JockoManning (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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To: topcat54

I know that both Robertson and Nagin were both chastised for the statements, I simply meant that he was in well-known company. I don't know Quix and am not familiar with his posts.


50 posted on 01/24/2006 5:45:45 PM PST by Eva
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