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1 posted on 09/30/2005 9:26:37 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...

I thought this was an interesting article about dispensationalism from the perspective of Galatian. I don't wish to steal topcat's thunder from his other post but someone encouraged me to post this.

For your review and comments.


2 posted on 09/30/2005 9:31:27 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48)
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To: xzins
Not sure when I've seen so many errors packed into an opening sentence.

Breathtaking, to think that (on this man's read) God deceived all those people for thousands of years... until Galatians was written!

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

3 posted on 09/30/2005 9:35:28 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: HarleyD
It's a long and tedious article. However, I saw no mention of the following verses from Romans in the article, verses in which Paul makes a definite distinction between the Hebrews and those "grafted in" and shames those who have taken an anti-semitic view in the past (some of them renowned church leaders):

"If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either." Romans 11:17ff [emphasis mind]

And this one:

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so tht ou may not be conceited; Israel has experienced a hardening inn part until the full number of he Gentiles has come in." Ro. 11:25

How do you reconcile these verses with the article? Dispensationalism aside, Paul is making a very clear distinction between the church and the ETHNIC jewish people in these verses.

7 posted on 09/30/2005 9:58:10 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: HarleyD
We ask our dispensational friends to consider what their position will be if the present Jewish occupation ends in disaster.

Not if, but when.

9 posted on 09/30/2005 10:00:23 AM PDT by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: HarleyD; xzins; BibChr
But Paul in Galatians has already told us who Abraham's seed are, to whom these promises are made, and he mentions not a word about restoration to Palestine, but builds it all on the nature of the Church. He maintains, as we have shown, that the Church is the lawful continuation of Old Testament Israel and the inheritor of the Abrahamic covenant and promises.

Thus it follows that either the Jews were NEVER under the Law or that Christians are STILL under the law. Since the author contends that all things remain the same, I'd suggest that you put down that bacon cheeseburger and start being a Sabbath Observer.

If the Church has inherited the covenants of Abraham, then we must keep the law as many, if not most, of the covenants were conditional upon keeping the law.

BTW Paul never mentioned anything about the restoration of "Palestine," probably because Palestine has never existed (at least not as a country). This guy literally refuses to acknowledge that Israel exists as a nation. He refers to the Jewish presence in "Palestine" as an "occupation."

Do I detect a bit of anti-Jewish or anti-Semetic leanings in his writing? IMO this is where replacement theology leads. It is not only unbiblical, it is, IMO, a highway to hell.

16 posted on 09/30/2005 10:26:04 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe; xzins; Corin Stormhands; blue-duncan; Frumanchu; topcat54
He who would understand the prophets had better begin with Paul's Epistle to the Galatians . . .

The author gets it all wrong in the first sentence. He who would understand Sha'ul's epistles had better begin by understanding the Tanakh and the Gospel, since his letters assume a basic familiarity with the Scriptures he was commenting on.

35 posted on 09/30/2005 12:15:33 PM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: HarleyD
Dispensationalism, faced with the embarrassment that these dispositions of soul are noticeably absent in the Jewish occupation of Palestine today, had to descend to the device that the Jew must go back to Palestine in unbelief though this was the very reason for which the Jew was cast out of Palestine. The theory teaches that the Second Coming of Christ will convert the Jews "in a day" despite the fact that they do not need to be converted to the conceptions of an earthly kingdom of Christ, seeing they crucified the Savior for not setting up this very thing

A slightly biased misrepresentation, but close.

Who would have thought that Joseph, when he was sold into slavery, would go to Egypt, be falsely accused, go to prison, be elevated to second in command, take a gentile bride, save up for a seven year famine which would bring his brothers to him for help, and then reveal himself to them, and provide for them for the last five years of the famine.

We look for some unlikely things to happen, but they have already happened before, in the natural world. It is noteworthy that those who said that Israel must return in unbelief started saying it long before 1948. I have watched Israel for over 40 years now. It has been breathtaking to see them go from a mighty nation to where they are now. It reminds me of the Israel of the Old Testament. We do not look for the goodness of Israel; surely we are no better than they, but rather, we look for goodness of God.

69 posted on 09/30/2005 1:59:17 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: HarleyD
" . . these are "figures of the true" "

Shadows and types. To understand the spiritual, compare it with the natural. When A kernel of corn is planted in the earth, it yields many kernels. When the truth is planted, another waters, but God gives the increase. Of such is the Kingdom which is not of this world.

Yes, shadows and types. Even to the sacrifices and the cleansing of the 'temple'. . . . and Passover . . . and circumcision . . . and baptism . . . and Communion . . . and Marriage.

88 posted on 09/30/2005 10:18:00 PM PDT by Eastbound
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