[Utah Binger]

Just a big FYI

[Utah Binger]

In this morning's Tribune

[Little_shoe]

I had a mormon in my company. He evangelized more then any of us protestant evangelicals. He kept trying to force his religion down our throats and by putting up his propaganda everywhere...

[Revelation 911]

And the world's first-ever ''Mormon- sploitation Retrospective'' of vintage fear-mongering anti-Mormon movies had just finished at the fringy Pioneer Theater in New York's East Village.

In public relations terms, this is not the easiest time to have the words ''Latter,'' ''Day'' and ''Saints'' anywhere close together in your name. And the going may get rougher after the filmmaker Christopher Cain finishes his new movie about one of the darkest moments in Mormon history, the Mountain Meadows massacre of 1857, in which 137 pioneers from Arkansas were killed in Utah by a raiding party whose ties to the LDS Church are still in dispute.

more victimization and persecution, unclarified until the last sentence

this thread has the half life of a six pack at a frat house

[MineralMan]

Please, folks...no Mormon bashing.

[colorcountry]

The thread went as I expected. Not one defender of the OTC.

The Mountain Meadows Massacre is simply indefensible - can't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

[VOA]

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[VOA]

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[colorado tanker]

As a history buff, I'm aware of this terrible incident. Still, color me skeptical why Hollyweird would choose this relatively obscure incident to dramatize, when they do almost nothing from the Western genre anymore?

Could it be Mormon bashing? Or just general Christian fundamentalist bashing (Hollyweirdos don't know the difference between Mormons and Christian fundamentalists)?

[wolfcreek]

I don't appreciate being 'preached to' by anyone. I had a Baptist preacher come come to my door one day and had to tell him to get lost! Same goes for any other religion. I spent my youth studying various religions and came to the conclusion, I would practice MY religion in the privacy of My church, MY HOME!

[rwfromkansas]

The Mormons slaughtered innocents. Period. The evidence is quite strong.

There is a reason why the governor of Utah does not allow anybody there.

[righttackle44]

"Just a big FYI"

I'm a Southern Baptist boy, but I used to
date a Mormon girl in high school. Got
interested in LDS history and theology.
She was originally from a town close to the
Mountain Meadow.

When I was in college, because I'm American
Indian (not Native American, thank you),
I thought about going up there one summer
to look into exactly how big a role the Shivwits
Paiutes actually played in the matter.

Wrote to a Southern Baptist pastor in the area
and told him of my plan.

He wrote write back and said in so many words,
"I don't want to say you'd be in any physical
danger, but some of the children of the perpetrators
are still alive. Might give it additional thought."

I took the letter to the mother of the girl I used
to date. She read it. "It's good advice," she
said. I decided I was a writer, not a crusader.
By that time in my life, I was married and had
children. Decided I didn't need to know all
that much about the matter.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

In all fairness, everyone should look at this web site about the Haun's Mill Massacre.


http://www.jwha.info/mmff/mlet1098.htm

[napscoordinator]

The LDS folks would come knocking on the door when I was a young kid and ask to discuss their literature and my Mom would always say sure come on in we are just finishing up the rosery. They would run away quick. I always thought they were a cult group, but now I know they are not one, just a religion that is pretty descent. I have know a mormon or two and they are pretty nice.

[big'ol_freeper]

Ping

[Ozokerite Boryslaw]

The Chain of Command,
as it relates to the Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1857

Brigham Young,
Governor of Utah, Superintendent of Indian Affairs in Utah, and President of the LDS Church
¦

   

      The Twelve Apostles of the 

LDS Church
(including George A. Smith, "the father of southern Utah")

¦

General Daniel H. Wells,
Commander-in Chief of the territorial militia, the Nauvoo Legion
(Wells coordinated the efforts to convict Lee in the second trial)

¦

Col. William H. Dame,
head of the Iron County Brigade,
the military force in southern Utah

¦

Lt. Col. Isaac C. Haight,
second in command of the Iron County Brigade and President of the Cedar City Stake of Zion (the senior ecclesiatical authority in southern Utah)

¦

Major John H. Higbee,
major in the Iron militia and the first counselor to Isaac Haight (and the man who ordered that the massacre begin)

¦

Adjutant Daniel McFarland

¦

John D. Lee and others of lesser rank in the Nauvoo Legion, including Philip Klingensmith (the Bishop of Cedar City), Samuel McMurdy, William Bateman, Nelphi Johnson, and Samuel Knight

Mountain Massacre Trials Homepage

[Casloy]

What controversy? Mormons massacred the wagon train and killed everyone. This is not in dispute.

[nmh]

Another film I won't be seeing.

Mormonism isn't Christian.

[Gamecock]

Are ya'll going to see this?

[Quix]

My memory's a bit fuzzy. Is this the famous one that happened at or near the Colorado River?

If so, I know something about some primary source documents on the topic as it was my responsibility to manage them.