Vatican may have found late pope's 'miracle'

CNN ^ | January 30, 2006 | Philip Pullella

[AlaninSA]

May I invite you to kiss off?

[mike182d]

In prayer.. but again it seems you can't stay on topic.

I have stayed on topic. You talking to me is no different than me talking to St. Augstine or the Apostles talking with Jesus. What makes it "prayer" is not the recipient of the conversation but rather the means by which someone is communicating - from this world into heaven.

How do you define prayer?

[mike182d]

You aren't even making sense anymore. So basically you are saying that you have to be Catholic in order to be Christian?

You've made that inference from the argument given. Unless you can provide a better basis for your Christian beliefs, I'm afraid you have no other resolve than to deduce this conclusion.

Sounds like you are the one that is stuck up.

Saying "I am the sole authority on what is true about the Bible and Jesus Christ" is not?

[Mrs. Don-o]

You wrote: "Men may be deserving of wholesale love and respect, but not of reverence; reverence belongs to God."

I think I understand your concern, and it's a good one: you want to make sure that no creature is given the supreme adoration which belongs to God alone. In this you are right.

However, "reverence" doesn't mean only the supreme honor and veneration due to God. For example:

Joshua 4:14 That day the LORD exalted Joshua in the sight of all Israel; and they revered him all the days of his life, just as they had revered Moses.

The Bible also speaks of revering God's throne, His sanctuary, and His city Jerusalem. So clearly, "to revere" can mean to honor people or even places and things associated with God.

This is an inevitable aspect of our human nature. Love for a lovable person overflows to things, places, and other people associated with that person. A mother keeps forever a little valentine card made for her by her child who died young. An American serviceman in Iraq kisses a snapshot of his wife in the U.S. There is nothing wrong with this; in fact, it would be wrong, and a kind of spiritual violence, to ridicule it or try to suppress it.

Like all things human, it can take wrong turns or get misdirected or excessive. Returning to matters of faith, I suppose that there would be some people who would want to canonize Elvis Presley or Princess Di. That's why the Church sets up a formal procedure for canonization. The idea is to keep things based on oobjective virtue rather than mere popularity; and to seek God's guidance, which is why there is the requirement of miracles which can be investigated --- and believe me, they are investigated strictly.

As an example, since 1858 there have been thousands, even tens of thousands of reported healing miracles at the shrine of Lourdes, France. The number of verified miracles? ---71.

That doesn't mean than none of those other reported healings were miracles. It just means they were not investigates; or thy were investigsted and their supernatural provenance was found to be doubtful.

[Almondjoy]

I guess your delusions have taken over this discussion.

[Almondjoy]

I never said that mikey boy. You "inferred" that.

You might want to go back to school and try reading.

I said "opinion" about five times.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Christ instituted the Holy Catholic Church. He gave the keys to Peter and through the inspiration and protection of the Holy Spirit protects her from error. If a panel of judges decides that a miracle has occured it is declared worthy of belief. You can choose skepticism or faith. As for determing who is a Saint, God has already chosen that person. They have entered heaven and that fact has been revealed. The Church doesn't decide who is a Saint. God does.

[bornacatholic]

I'm sure the ex-pope is very busy these days hearing all those prayers being directed his way. I mean, does he have to take them one at a time?

*Prayers of those with FAITH are answered. While Johannes Paulus Magnus is no longer with us on earth, he remains part of the Body of Christ - the Church Triumphant - and where he lives there is no "time." Eternity yes. But not time

[bornacatholic]

Matt 16:18,19. Jesus established His church as His mouthpiece. It was His idea.

Speak with Him about your thoughts He was wrong

[bornacatholic]

Faith moves mountain. The First Pope Peter's shadow falling upon the sick caused miraculous healings.

Work on your Faith

[Rosary]

I wish Rome would look into the stigamta-Rose Marie Ferron-

[NYer]

How is one saved? Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. V.9 Not of works, What kind of works would that be??

Welcome to Free Republic!

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:10

"Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:15

"Who will render to every man according to his deeds." - Romans 2:6

"[This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." - Titus 3:8

"And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works..." - Hebrews 10:24

GOOD WORKS

[pepperhead]

Thanks for trying but where did Jesus ever mention "saints"?

[Almondjoy]

Wow maybe I was wrong. Maybe you are on the level with mormons.

[Almondjoy]

Typical. When you don't like what you hear you just try and shut everyone up.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Well, Mr. Jones, glad I am not in your company, we can leave it at that.

[Coleus]

But that's the difference.... Catholics do not understand God >>>

and you do? LOL, this blanket attack on Catholics is proof that you are not Christian at all. And why are you "looking" for a thread with the word "pope" in the title coming here to flame? Are you lonely?

[fortunecookie]

Catholics do not understand God.

Really? Just you and those who worship with you understand God, and then only for the last 450 or so years? And what of other Protestant denominations? Your group is in agreement with all of them? With all of them as to what is holy and how it is decided and who decides it? What if you disagree with one of them? Even the Anglicans and Episcopals who also have Saints, holy people as designated by the leadership in the church, saints worthy of prayer and intercession? I don't think you've thought it through. Or your bigotry is aimed only at Catholics.