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SSPX and Rome: Reconciliation At Hand?
Whispers in the Loggia ^ | January 30, 2006 | Rocco Palmo

Posted on 01/30/2006 5:59:11 PM PST by TaxachusettsMan

Laying the Groundwork?

A call came in this morning from one of our trusted sources, known for his proficiency in predicting and reporting all things SSPX. (This guy has never broken communion, however.)

The line was this: that on Wednesday, all the Lefevbrist groups will be meeting somewhere in France. As the source said in predicting its likely outcome: "The excommunications will be annuled, mass sanations of everything [i.e. the illicit rites conducted through the years], and the indult will be granted in privatu -- that is, for private celebrations."

Minutes ago, an e.mail arrived from Rome reporting something in that ballpark... And Novus Ordo Watch is running an alert which states that "Source tells Novus Ordo Watch that there will be a meeting of all religious societies that have ties with the SSPX, in Flavigny, France, on February 1. Secondly, the SSPX Higher Council will meet on February 7-8; all four bishops will be present."

Could it be -- the Devil really won't need his refrigerator anymore?

SVILUPPO (8.35pm): Further information has arrived on the meeting....

Apparently, it has been called at the behest of Mons. Bernard Fellay, the SSPX Superior General, and the First Assistant General, Fr Franz Schmidberger. I'm told that a split exists among the Society's four bishops, with Richard Williamson said to be "obstinate," possibly prepared to lead those of the group who decide not to return. No word is given as to the stance of the other two bishops ordained by Lefevbre in defiance of the Holy See and John Paul II in 1988: Tissier de Mallerais and Alfonso de Galarreta.


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1 posted on 01/30/2006 5:59:12 PM PST by TaxachusettsMan
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To: TaxachusettsMan
Interesting. As a former SSPXer I extend my prayers for this long overdue healing.
2 posted on 01/30/2006 6:05:00 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: jecIIny

My sentiments exactly.


3 posted on 01/30/2006 6:30:54 PM PST by Theophane
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To: TaxachusettsMan
The excommunications will be annuled, mass sanations of everything [i.e. the illicit rites conducted through the years], and the indult will be granted in privatu -- that is, for private celebrations."

Call me skeptical. The SSPXers are going to want to be able to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass anywhere in the world without the indult - private or public.

4 posted on 01/30/2006 7:08:49 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Pyro7480
The SSPXers are going to want to be able to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass anywhere in the world without the indult - private or public.

I agree, and I believe Pope Benedict XVI will state that the 1962 Missal has never been abolished or banned, and all priests anywhere may say the TLM.
That said, many Bishops (just as now) won't allow the TLMs in their parish churches and there will be difficulties because of it. But at least a papal directive would move access along and provide a necessary stipulation to bring about a regularization of the SSPX. The SSPX also needs assurances that they won't be treated like the FSSP and what occurred with Protocol 1411. A way around that is some type of organizational structure with a reporting relationship to Rome.

5 posted on 01/30/2006 8:59:37 PM PST by vox_freedom (Fear no evils)
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To: TaxachusettsMan
I just checked out the Novus Ordo watch web site. I am not sure if they are sede vecantist. But they sound like they are. Thats not encouraging. I also google searched the MSM for any news involving the SSPX. Nothing new at all. Hmmmm...
6 posted on 01/30/2006 10:07:26 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: TaxachusettsMan
"The excommunications will be annuled, mass sanations of everything [i.e. the illicit rites conducted through the years], and the indult will be granted in privatu -- that is, for private celebrations."

praying-it's-true bumpus ad summum

7 posted on 01/31/2006 12:24:27 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: jecIIny
Yeah, it sure does seem that way. THe Popes appearing atthe top are all the usual Tradition-killers = Pope John 23rd to POpe Benedict.

Didn't Mario Derksen, sede, have something to do with establishing N.O. Watch?

8 posted on 01/31/2006 3:02:47 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: jecIIny
What You Need to Know About Fr. Joseph Ratzinger, claiming to be Pope BENEDICT XVI (Novus Ordo Watch is not responsible for the content of linked web pages.) The Past and Present Conduct of Joseph Ratzinger reveals he is not a Catholic:

*Well, isnt that precious. Norvus Ordo Watch posts this BS and then triesw to distance itself from it

9 posted on 01/31/2006 3:51:46 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: TaxachusettsMan
Anyone know if the reconciliation will include the SSPXers walking down the aisles of one of Rome's cathedrals barefoot and in sackcloth with their faces covered in ashes?

More than likely, the obnoxious SSPX would view any reconciliation as *them* allowing the Pope and the NO Church to reconcile with the *real* Church, the SSPX.
10 posted on 01/31/2006 4:50:10 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: TaxachusettsMan

This sounds like an ultra-trad pipe dream and it's not likely to happen.


11 posted on 01/31/2006 5:15:41 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: Maximilian

Sts. Pius V and X, pray for us!

Bump!


12 posted on 01/31/2006 5:25:26 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Conservative til I die
More than likely, the obnoxious SSPX would view any reconciliation as *them* allowing the Pope and the NO Church to reconcile with the *real* Church, the SSPX.

Seems it may be easier to reconcile on paper than in the heart

*sigh*

Schismatic tendencies go both ways.

13 posted on 01/31/2006 5:57:36 AM PST by Claud
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To: TaxachusettsMan

Reconciliation would be nice. The Catholic Church should always be ready with open arms for prodigal Traditionalists.


14 posted on 01/31/2006 6:11:15 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: steadfastconservative
This sounds like an ultra-trad pipe dream and it's not likely to happen.

These groups want to celebrate the Mass the way its been celebrated for a millenium. The sixties came along and the Church had no room for these Catholics. They celebrate the same Mass as my father grew up with. Please what makes them "ultra-Trad"?

15 posted on 01/31/2006 6:14:34 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: jecIIny; TaxachusettsMan
I also google searched the MSM for any news involving the SSPX. Nothing new at all.

Interesting discussion going on at Amy Wellborn's blog ...

HERE

16 posted on 01/31/2006 8:21:30 AM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: TaxachusettsMan; NYer
It would seem that Rocco is standing by his story. He has provided more details on this meeting. I spent some time last night looking at the Novus Ordo Watch web page. They can try and hide behind all the disclaimers they want to post. But they are sede vecantists. Even though I am Orthodox now (and therefor a little more careful in commenting on Catholic issues) I will still say that those people are just plain crazy.

I hope that the whole thing goes through. It would be good for all concerned. Well maybe there will be some heartburn. I would imagine the American bishops will be highly ticked at having to put up with these conservative Catholics in their diocese. I will definitely be keeping my eye on things for developments.
17 posted on 01/31/2006 11:35:31 AM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: TradicalRC
SSSX teaches the Jews are condemned

SSPX teaches the normative mass is evil

SSPX has spread hatred and enmity about the Magisterium, routinely attacked the Pope, the Mass, and the Council

Other than that they are total, abject,failures. Their only "successful" act has been to create a schism.

18 posted on 01/31/2006 4:13:39 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: TradicalRC
BTW, how can the schismatic ssspx, in good conscience, repudiate the Ecumenical Council when its founder, Marcel, signed every document?

I am, frequently, told he is a latter day St. Athanasius. That being true, the sspx can't even maintain the Traditon of its "Saintly" founder yet it claims to be the only outfit maintaining Christian Tradition. If that is true, then the SSPX founder was a charlatan, a liar, easily duped, or an insane man when he signed the Documents.

What is the SSPX's position about that?

19 posted on 01/31/2006 4:22:05 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: jecIIny
Even though I am Orthodox now

*Just because you are Orthodox now...

I hope that the whole thing goes through

* is no reason to wish us ill

I would imagine the American bishops will be highly ticked at having to put up with these conservative Catholics in their diocese.

*I can't imagine any Bishop wanting these folks back. They have NO intention of ending their war for "Tradition" and against the Magisterium. The SSPX is a protestant outfit wearing Fiddlebacks and swinging a censer

Not too long ago, Cardinal Ratzinger publicly trashed one of their texts on the Mass. In essence, he said, "They're idiots."

20 posted on 01/31/2006 4:28:30 PM PST by bornacatholic
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