Homosexuality Is Sin

First of all, when we look to Christian teaching on Homosexuality, we often start at the beginning in the Book of Genesis, whereby God created Adam and Eve, man and woman. When the Pharisees asked Christ whether or not it was lawful for a man to put away his wife, he answered them saying, “Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female” (see Genesis 1:27; Matthew 19:4-6) and Christ added, “What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.” Remember, Marriage isn’t simply a sexual arrangement, but homosexuality is the ultimate corruption and perversion of God’s union of man and woman.

In Chapter 19, we learn of the destruction of two cities, Sodom (the word sodomy was derived from Sodom and the homosexual proclivities of that city) & Gomorrah, which was destroyed by God for their wickedness...their sexual immorality. The apostle Peter explained, “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly.” He added, “But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness...” (See II Peter 2:6;10) Jude too, explained, “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, [homosexuality] are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Despite the Bible providing the absolute and clearest denunciation of homosexuality as a grave and horrible sin that led directly to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, by God himself, there are still some false Christians who deny the very example God gave and the very warnings of the apostles. As Jude pointed out, “...there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (See Jude 1:4) Witness people who, in the name of Christ no less, have the audacity, the arrogance, to brush it aside and indeed bastardize the faith claiming those that repent not, those that live day by day in sin, are without fault! In fact, as I’ll explain later, they curse those that speak the truth and deny Christ.

A further reading of Jude sheds even more light on the predicament. He says, “But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.” He continued, “Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever .... To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage. .... How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. (See Jude, Chapter 1)

So faux Christians, often use the word love, and they use it most unlovingly to scold righteousness and truth. They use the word sparingly, in abstraction, without defining or explaining what love is for the only logical conclusion we can draw is that they use love as a shield to fend off those who would speak truthfully and confront sin, in this case homosexuality, as a transgression and an affront to God Almighty. John inform us of love: “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.” In other words obedience is love. He goes on, “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” (I John 5:2-3) Those who disobey God, those that are wicked like the men of Sodom, are in open rebellion against God and they defy his commandments oblivious to his examples. The apostle Peter tells us, “For so is the will of God, that with well-doing ye may put to silence ignorance of foolish men...” (See I Peter 2:15) In the words of the Apostle Paul, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. (II Timothy 2:15-16)

Those blasphemers, like high priced attorneys with silver tongues representing Satan, the “Father of lies,” display no self-control, they are conceited in their minds, and they turn away from Christianity. Paul foretold of them, “For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than of God; .... For this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (See II Timothy 3:2-7) He added, “ But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” (II Timothy 3:13).

Believe it or not, I’ve come across complainers and false accusers who take issue with my use of scripture. They seem confounded by the use of the inerrant, inspired word of God. They utter indignities and hiss like serpents preparing to strike and deliver a deadly blow of venom. Paul tells we should use to instruct righteousness and correct. “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Jesus Christ. All scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (II Timothy 15-17)

I apologize to those that forget that I make no claim to perfection, that even I err, for I’m prone to make mistakes. I seek not to pleasure, to harass, and delight in the downfall of others. On the other hand, there is no toleration for evil, while sin may be forgiven, it isn’t something that may be taken lightly. Have no illusions that by turning from God, you risk eternal damnation. Jesus Christ spoke repeatedly of the hell fire that awaits those who don’t depart from iniquity. John proclaimed, “Whosoever comitteth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (See I John 3:4-8) We are also instructed, “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not his doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that abideth him God speed is a partaker of his evil deeds.” (II John 1:9-11) “Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way, shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” (James 5:20)

Back to the sin of homosexuality, in the Book of Leviticus, it is regarded as an abomination by God and the Law went as far as to make it a capital offense. “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” (See Leviticus 18:22) In Verse 26, God says, Ye shall therefore keep my statues and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you...” God couldn’t make it any clearer when he forbade homosexuality and roundly condemned it. We’re not instructed to be indifferent, or to turn a blind eye, and clearly this secular dogma about “inclusiveness” is anathema in obeying the Lord thy God!

I'll end in the New Testament, Paul , “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold truth in unrighteousness .... Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (See Romans 1:18-32)

And for the record, Coulter Fan could produce no evidence that Jesus called for Christians to execute homosexuals.

Nor could he produce any Scriptures of the Apostles commanding the early Church to execute homosexuals. And no evidence that the early Church practiced it.

Of course, we all know that in the last 2000 years of the Christian faith, there has been no movement calling for the execution of homosexuals. And no denomination in America today has this statement of "faith" as part of their doctrine.

The only people calling for this is a few Fred Phelps/David Koresh/Jim Jones/Coulter Fan people who call themselves Christian, but who are very deceived.

All sin deserves death. Eating an apple when God told you not to deserved death. Lots of things. The gospel is this: Jesus paid the penalty so you don't have to. And not only that. He rose again and conquered death. So you too can have newness of life, no longer a slave to sin, but now a slave to righteousness.

Forgiveness, compassion, mercy...all are meaningless without the lens of God's holiness and righteousness. Look to the cross: it is a picture of God's righteousness and His mercy, His holiness and His lovingkindness, His judgment and His forgiveness. Step one of the road to true saving faith: the sinner must understand from His heart that he/she is worthy of death.

Amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found
Was blind but now I see.

Search me Oh God, and know my heart..

Create in me a clean heart oh God

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death

All sinners stand condemned by God's righteous law, which is violated first in the heart, then in our actions. Lessening that truth is an obstacle to the Good News of salvation in Jesus Christ. When society demands tolerance for sin and excuses for sinners, it inadvertently guarantees that the sinner will face his own death penalty when he stands before the judgment seat of Christ. So be ashamed now, repent and believe, or face the eternal death penalty later.

I suppose you're going to try to ping words or thoughts on me that I didn't say? Sometimes extreme circumstances demand extreme solutions. I stated that yes, abortion "doctors" are murderers, but a higher justice will have to take care of them. Currently US law does not call abortion a capital crime, although morally speaking it is. I am not calling for snipers to come crawling out of the woodwork to "off" abortionists. I have complete conviction that the universal laws of justice will take care of everything that needs to be taken care of, sooner or later.

Does that mean that citizens should never, ever take justice into their own hands? No, sometimes they should. When? Well, during Hitler's reign of terror it was morally right for people to lie to protect Jews and other targets, or even assasinate the agents of death. It's not a paint by numbers world.

I didn't see that CCF said that Jesus Christ or the apostles called for the execution of homosexuals. Why are you saying he did? It looks to me as though your aim to twist what CCF said in order to paint him as extreme and vicious, for some reason.

I agree that homosexual behavior warrants severe punishment, but again, that's for the universal justice of God and His deputed universal directors to take care of. Currently secular law doesn't cover punishment of homosexual acts, although it did until fairly recently, as evidenced by CCF.

I know that everyone gets his just desserts, barring a change of heart and sincere repentence, witnessed by a change of life and behavior. God's mercy is available for every soul on the planet, up until the last breath is drawn.

//the justice they deserve will have to be arranged by a higher order//

Indeed, hypothetically they could be made to live the suffering for every soul their abortion-murder act touched. The unborn baby ripped apart from its most innocent of all places, the mother who made that most horrible choice, all lives that were to be touched by the snuffed out life, ad infinitum.

As I see it, abortion is by far the most violent act ever devised by mankind.

Wolf

I suppose you're going to try to ping words or thoughts on me that I didn't say?

No. I will simply post YOUR EXACT remarks about the Ohio Democrat who, like Coulter Fan, wants to execute homosexuals:

To: DBeers
A Fred Phelps kind of guy. I wonder if he's an inlaw or something.

148 posted on 03/07/2006 5:47:10 PM EST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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It seems you and I somehow got off on the wrong foot. Just two months ago you and I agreed that a person advocating the execution of homosexuals was a "Fred Phelps kind of guy." But today you are defending them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1591827/posts?page=148#148

I also agree with these words of yours two months ago:

To: RHINO369
I wasn't sure if maybe you meant me, since I do think the death penalty should be way expanded and have expressed that on FR numerous times. But just for practicing same sex sodomy, no.
But if people don't want to hire/live with/listen to/rent to/look at parades of/have as teachers BSA leaders etc homosexuals, that's not only fine with me, it's a good idea. Homosexuals need help and treatment, and as long as everyone around them acts like they're Nature's Noblemen it'll be harder for them to face reality.

284 posted on 03/08/2006 3:48:26 PM EST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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I just don't see that CCF is truly advocating the execution of homosexuals. Do they deserve death? According to various scriptures of the world, they do. Will they die? Everyone born of woman will die. And many of them bring their own - and others' - deaths sooner than nature would intend through their own actions. Anyone who knows he has AIDS and commits a sex act which could possibly give HIV to someone else deserves the death penalty for sure.

But do I advocate execution for homosexuals? No. Instead, let the truth be told that homosexuals can change, they aren't born that way, and stop indoctrinating the children. Sodomy should NOT have been legalized, that was a horrible decision by the black robed Nazgul. IOM same sex acts should be illegal - that would put them back in the closet.

Good to see you, Wolf! I agree. And according to the Vedas, anyone who commits an abortion (and AFAIK orders one, such as the mother) will, by the law of karma, be forced to be ripped from a womb untimely in the same manner they caused a baby to be so ripped. So for an abortionist, it's many, many punishments.

Why do more people not see the horror? One reason is because life is seen not as a ray of God, but merely as a chemical reaction, no big deal if a chemical reaction is poured down the drain.

Shake!

Personally, I'm in favor of public caning for a lot of offenses that currently get jail terms (if they get anything at all). Would save money and be much more of a deterrent - also give wannabes a lot to think about.

The head county DA of my rural county (now retired, a happy man!) told me privately that that's the only way to curb crime, but the public won't go for it.

It's actually much more merciful to perps - a good stout public beating, and then back to real life, perhaps with a new attitude. No years rotting away in jail, and then coming out years older with a much worse attitude.

Read Proverbs...the rebellious and sinful despise reproof, but that's no reason shun the truth. There wouldn't be any argument with you if this was over molesting children, but in degenerated, hedonistic America...self-gratification, lust, envy, and a host of sins & vices are viewed as rights or even virtues. As for hardened hearts, I remember when Christ was asked by the Pharisses if it was lawful for a man to put away his wife...and he responded that no man shall put asunder what God has joined together and that Moses permitted it because of their hearts were hardened. He went as far as to say that a man who puts away his wife for any reason other than fornication has committed adultery...any man that has married a divorced woman has committed adultery. I suppose you can't tell people today, in a nation where over half of marriages end in divorce, in a nation with "divorce vows" (Hannity & Colmes did a segment on it), where the Catholic Church now permits anullments, that what they are doing is wrong...or un-Christian.

Did you read the title of the thread and then go strat to posting or did you start reading before going to comments, because I can't imagine having this discussion if in fact you did.

Ah, but do you pray for those with these sins? Because your condemnation will only harden their hearts more against the word of the Lord.

I agree that we should pray for them and that condemnation will harden their hearts. But it is God's condemnation, not ours. And it is our sacred duty to inform them of both His wrath and His provision for our sins. They hardren their hearts because they love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil. To eliminate the bad news (God's wrath) is to nulify the Good News (forgiveness and new life in Jesus). They must see their need for the Savior or their penalty will be far greater than any man on earth could ever give them.

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