Homosexuality Is Sin

FR | 5/4/06

[Mr. Brightside]

I can't really disagree with anything he said.

I hope you don't also agree with CCF that extreme circumstances (like abortion on demand) deserve extreme actions (like the crimes committed by Eric Rudolph).

[Mr. Brightside]

And for the record, Coulter Fan could produce no evidence that Jesus called for Christians to execute homosexuals.

Nor could he produce any Scriptures of the Apostles commanding the early Church to execute homosexuals. And no evidence that the early Church practiced it.

Of course, we all know that in the last 2000 years of the Christian faith, there has been no movement calling for the execution of homosexuals. And no denomination in America today has this statement of "faith" as part of their doctrine.

The only people calling for this is a few Fred Phelps/David Koresh/Jim Jones/Coulter Fan people who call themselves Christian, but who are very deceived.

[dagoofyfoot]

Ann Coulter would call you a kook


So you know Ann Coulter well enough to make this claim?


The same Ann Coulter who said we should "Kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity"? We are talking about the same Ann Coulter right.


Because if you don't know her well enough to make this claim, then you're just talking out your @$$, KOOK!

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

All sin deserves death. Eating an apple when God told you not to deserved death. Lots of things. The gospel is this: Jesus paid the penalty so you don't have to. And not only that. He rose again and conquered death. So you too can have newness of life, no longer a slave to sin, but now a slave to righteousness.

Forgiveness, compassion, mercy...all are meaningless without the lens of God's holiness and righteousness. Look to the cross: it is a picture of God's righteousness and His mercy, His holiness and His lovingkindness, His judgment and His forgiveness. Step one of the road to true saving faith: the sinner must understand from His heart that he/she is worthy of death.

Amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found
Was blind but now I see.

Search me Oh God, and know my heart..

Create in me a clean heart oh God

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death

All sinners stand condemned by God's righteous law, which is violated first in the heart, then in our actions. Lessening that truth is an obstacle to the Good News of salvation in Jesus Christ. When society demands tolerance for sin and excuses for sinners, it inadvertently guarantees that the sinner will face his own death penalty when he stands before the judgment seat of Christ. So be ashamed now, repent and believe, or face the eternal death penalty later.

[little jeremiah]

I suppose you're going to try to ping words or thoughts on me that I didn't say? Sometimes extreme circumstances demand extreme solutions. I stated that yes, abortion "doctors" are murderers, but a higher justice will have to take care of them. Currently US law does not call abortion a capital crime, although morally speaking it is. I am not calling for snipers to come crawling out of the woodwork to "off" abortionists. I have complete conviction that the universal laws of justice will take care of everything that needs to be taken care of, sooner or later.

Does that mean that citizens should never, ever take justice into their own hands? No, sometimes they should. When? Well, during Hitler's reign of terror it was morally right for people to lie to protect Jews and other targets, or even assasinate the agents of death. It's not a paint by numbers world.

[little jeremiah]

I didn't see that CCF said that Jesus Christ or the apostles called for the execution of homosexuals. Why are you saying he did? It looks to me as though your aim to twist what CCF said in order to paint him as extreme and vicious, for some reason.

I agree that homosexual behavior warrants severe punishment, but again, that's for the universal justice of God and His deputed universal directors to take care of. Currently secular law doesn't cover punishment of homosexual acts, although it did until fairly recently, as evidenced by CCF.

I know that everyone gets his just desserts, barring a change of heart and sincere repentence, witnessed by a change of life and behavior. God's mercy is available for every soul on the planet, up until the last breath is drawn.

[LadyDoc]

Ah, but do you pray for those with these sins?

Because your condemnation will only harden their hearts more against the word of the Lord.

[RunningWolf]

//the justice they deserve will have to be arranged by a higher order//

Indeed, hypothetically they could be made to live the suffering for every soul their abortion-murder act touched. The unborn baby ripped apart from its most innocent of all places, the mother who made that most horrible choice, all lives that were to be touched by the snuffed out life, ad infinitum.

As I see it, abortion is by far the most violent act ever devised by mankind.

Wolf

[Mr. Brightside]

I suppose you're going to try to ping words or thoughts on me that I didn't say?

No. I will simply post YOUR EXACT remarks about the Ohio Democrat who, like Coulter Fan, wants to execute homosexuals:

To: DBeers
A Fred Phelps kind of guy. I wonder if he's an inlaw or something.

148 posted on 03/07/2006 5:47:10 PM EST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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It seems you and I somehow got off on the wrong foot. Just two months ago you and I agreed that a person advocating the execution of homosexuals was a "Fred Phelps kind of guy." But today you are defending them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1591827/posts?page=148#148

[Mr. Brightside]

I also agree with these words of yours two months ago:

To: RHINO369
I wasn't sure if maybe you meant me, since I do think the death penalty should be way expanded and have expressed that on FR numerous times. But just for practicing same sex sodomy, no.
But if people don't want to hire/live with/listen to/rent to/look at parades of/have as teachers BSA leaders etc homosexuals, that's not only fine with me, it's a good idea. Homosexuals need help and treatment, and as long as everyone around them acts like they're Nature's Noblemen it'll be harder for them to face reality.

284 posted on 03/08/2006 3:48:26 PM EST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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[little jeremiah]

I just don't see that CCF is truly advocating the execution of homosexuals. Do they deserve death? According to various scriptures of the world, they do. Will they die? Everyone born of woman will die. And many of them bring their own - and others' - deaths sooner than nature would intend through their own actions. Anyone who knows he has AIDS and commits a sex act which could possibly give HIV to someone else deserves the death penalty for sure.

But do I advocate execution for homosexuals? No. Instead, let the truth be told that homosexuals can change, they aren't born that way, and stop indoctrinating the children. Sodomy should NOT have been legalized, that was a horrible decision by the black robed Nazgul. IOM same sex acts should be illegal - that would put them back in the closet.

[little jeremiah]

Good to see you, Wolf! I agree. And according to the Vedas, anyone who commits an abortion (and AFAIK orders one, such as the mother) will, by the law of karma, be forced to be ripped from a womb untimely in the same manner they caused a baby to be so ripped. So for an abortionist, it's many, many punishments.

Why do more people not see the horror? One reason is because life is seen not as a ray of God, but merely as a chemical reaction, no big deal if a chemical reaction is poured down the drain.

[Mr. Brightside]

I agree with your entire post, except for one part. ("I just don't see that CCF is truly advocating the execution of homosexuals.") I think it is pretty clear that he is.

And I did not go looking for this thread. He pinged me to continue our last conversation.

My beef is not with you. It is with him. No offense to you.

[little jeremiah]

Shake!

Personally, I'm in favor of public caning for a lot of offenses that currently get jail terms (if they get anything at all). Would save money and be much more of a deterrent - also give wannabes a lot to think about.

The head county DA of my rural county (now retired, a happy man!) told me privately that that's the only way to curb crime, but the public won't go for it.

It's actually much more merciful to perps - a good stout public beating, and then back to real life, perhaps with a new attitude. No years rotting away in jail, and then coming out years older with a much worse attitude.

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

I take the same position advocated by the Constitution Party - Abortion should be outlawed and punished as a homicidal offense. I don't see any difference, morally and realistically between an abortion clinic and a death camp.

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Read Proverbs...the rebellious and sinful despise reproof, but that's no reason shun the truth. There wouldn't be any argument with you if this was over molesting children, but in degenerated, hedonistic America...self-gratification, lust, envy, and a host of sins & vices are viewed as rights or even virtues. As for hardened hearts, I remember when Christ was asked by the Pharisses if it was lawful for a man to put away his wife...and he responded that no man shall put asunder what God has joined together and that Moses permitted it because of their hearts were hardened. He went as far as to say that a man who puts away his wife for any reason other than fornication has committed adultery...any man that has married a divorced woman has committed adultery. I suppose you can't tell people today, in a nation where over half of marriages end in divorce, in a nation with "divorce vows" (Hannity & Colmes did a segment on it), where the Catholic Church now permits anullments, that what they are doing is wrong...or un-Christian.

Did you read the title of the thread and then go strat to posting or did you start reading before going to comments, because I can't imagine having this discussion if in fact you did.

[little jeremiah]

I agree that abortion SHOULD be a capital offense. But it isn't on the books that way at this time. Unfortunately.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Ah, but do you pray for those with these sins? Because your condemnation will only harden their hearts more against the word of the Lord.

I agree that we should pray for them and that condemnation will harden their hearts. But it is God's condemnation, not ours. And it is our sacred duty to inform them of both His wrath and His provision for our sins. They hardren their hearts because they love darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil. To eliminate the bad news (God's wrath) is to nulify the Good News (forgiveness and new life in Jesus). They must see their need for the Savior or their penalty will be far greater than any man on earth could ever give them.