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Defiant female (Catholic) priest says Mass
Mercury News ^ | June 1, 2006 | Kim Vo

Posted on 06/01/2006 8:44:27 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Mrs. Don-o

LOL. And sad.

There are days when I think about the story of the fall of Man.

I used to wonder about why it was Eve who took the bait.

Now I feel I live in an era where we are re-enacting the Fall all over again, and this time, it is women who in large part, with all the feminist agenda, have taken the bait and are destroying so much.


61 posted on 06/01/2006 11:25:37 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: NYer
>"I am a Roman Catholic woman priest"

She's a Catholic priest
and I'm the happy husband
of Kournikova!

62 posted on 06/01/2006 11:29:11 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: livius

>>>Nonetheless, as a general matter and with no personal reference, I still want to know why the gals who go out for this all look so freaky.<<<

Why is it that the "feminists" try so hard to be men? They dress like men, cut their hair like men, want roles associated with men, etc. What do they have against being truly feminine?


63 posted on 06/01/2006 11:35:31 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg; Carolina
Is that a WEDDING RING I see underneath that waffle??!!??

Absolutely! They also support 'married' priests ;-)

Hey, if you're going to dissent, go all the way.

64 posted on 06/01/2006 11:36:11 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: atomicpossum

And I am the Emperor of the Galactic Empire. You can call me Darth.


65 posted on 06/01/2006 11:39:07 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Build the fence. Sí, Se Puede!)
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To: NYer
My name is Victoria Rue,'' she said. ``And I am a Roman Catholic woman priest.''

..and here is your first sacrament...

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66 posted on 06/01/2006 11:46:05 AM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: ValenB4
... Being a priest in and of itself is not an accomplishment. What one makes of one's life is what is important.

Exactly. This is such blatant, out-and-out clericalism.

As laity, our mission is the transformation of the world in the light of the Gospel. That's not enough?

Their actions clearly communicate laity = nothing, priests = everything.

But the really interesting people in Catholicism are not the priests or the popes, but the saints.

If Mary the Mother of God, a laywoman, were to appear to Pope Benedict, which of the two would drop to their knees?

67 posted on 06/01/2006 11:48:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( No tagline at this time: I'm speechless.)
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To: Malacoda
She's also an apostate and a heretic.

And also bad with pronouns, as "Woman priest" is a priestess... and sounds horrible the way she said it.

68 posted on 06/01/2006 11:51:00 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Petronski

It is like practicing law without being admitted to the bar or maybe more like hearing legal cases and rendering judgements without proper authority. Another example would be dressing up like an officer and trying to command troops.


69 posted on 06/01/2006 12:02:39 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Clock King
> Bring back the Inquisition! Yeah, never a good Dominican around when you need one.
70 posted on 06/01/2006 12:03:01 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: TheCrusader
I guess I am an "ignoramus"... I just thought that the Bishops and Cardinals that allowed openly gay men to become priest, enter the seminary and continue to be involved with altar boys might have a little to do with the problem.

With a little digging yourself you can find out about which seminaries have fairly liberal policies towards homosexuals. As far as the protection from false accusations.... well lets just look at what has transpired with convictions of those pederasts that went to trial.

You my friend are the one who is being fooled into thinking these are "isolated" and "rare" occurrences.

Do I think there are perverts in public education, Protestant churches, Boy Scouts...."yes, I do".

The "problem" is with the acceptance of predatory homosexuals allowed to roam freely among young boys. Giving these criminals chance after chance by transferring and "treating" these sexual predators is in fact allowing the young children entrusted to the church open to this sickness.

How would you feel if your son or you were molested by these "priests"? Would you accept the Bishop's or Cardinal's rational for "forgiveness and treatment".

If you can, you're a much better Christian than I. I am a sinner, a hypocrite and am uncharitable.... I would track the priest down and all those that allowed him to hurt my son and I would probably end up in prison.

If the Vatican see such a "problem" with renegade Bishops and Cardinals in this country.... why not get rid of them. Send them to the Appalachia, Africa, South Bronx, Rio Grande Valley, San Juaquin Valley, South Chicago to work in the field with the poor.

Like I said in my post, I'm no better than the priests and cannot judge them, but feel that the church should stand for something, not a "feel good" sanctuary for every pederast that decides the clergy is a nice way to be a single male without questions being asked concerning their sexuality.

71 posted on 06/01/2006 12:10:09 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Dick Vomer

Dear Dick Vomer,

What is reported in the media are the failures of Catholic hierarchs, and failures of their policies.

What isn't reported in the media, and what goes unmentioned by you, is that the Catholic Church, upon discovering the magnitude of this problem over 20 years ago, actually did act to remedy the problem.

What goes unreported is that the incidence of child abuse by priests peaked in the early 1980s, and fell off dramatically so that by the early 1990s, the incidence of abuse had returned to pre-1960s levels. What goes unreported are the efforts by hierarchs to achieve this result.

If one wishes to criticize Catholic hierarchs for failing in specific instances with specific abusers, that is perfectly legitimate. However, one should at least give a nod to the fact that by the mid-1990s, the specific failures of specific Catholic hierarchs were more the exception than the rule.

If one wishes to criticize certain elements of the policies used by these hierarchs to reduce the problem, that's also quite legitimate. It's clear that much of the therapeutic approach didn't work too well. Others criticize the "secrecy" involved in settlements with victims. That one is almost kind of funny, in that I was studying to be a psychotherapist in the early 1980s, and it was thought then that keeping this stuff private was in the best interests of the VICTIMS. If one wishes to criticize the bishops' actions in keeping settlements private, I understand. But many (not all) bishops were acting in good faith, with good intentions.

However, whatever criticisms one wishes to direct against Catholic hierarchs, the bottom line is still that the Catholic hierarchy in the United States (with the strong, private urging of the Vatican, I suspect) still reduced the incidence of abuse by 90% in less than 10 years. Long before it was national news.


sitetest


72 posted on 06/01/2006 12:24:22 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
"...I am a Roman Catholic woman priest.''

And I'm the Man in the Moon.
73 posted on 06/01/2006 12:32:31 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: NYer
A related article from the campus newspaper in April:
Spartan Daily

I see they like the hand holding thing:

"San Jose State University Professor and female priest Victoria Rue.
-snip-
Rue said that the highlight of the gathering was the vibrant music and the inclusion of intense spiritual moments strengthening human ties between participants."

74 posted on 06/01/2006 12:49:20 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: NYer
Absolutely! They also support 'married' priests ;-)

Hey, if you're going to dissent, go all the way.

Was thinking along the lines of yet another nun who just can't abide the role the Church intends them, feels like some *second-class Catholic* and decides to perform the Rites of Mass. Sheesh.

75 posted on 06/01/2006 1:03:59 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: NYer
The fledgling congregation...

At least the article started out on a positive note...

76 posted on 06/01/2006 1:14:38 PM PDT by TotusTuus (Christos Voskrese!)
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To: TheCrusader
stop these queers from slipping into the priesthood

Ugh.

77 posted on 06/01/2006 1:26:30 PM PDT by ichabod1 (The Glory Hath Gone Out Of Israel)
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg

Yeah, we get the SPECIAL waffles in the Catholic Church. [/tongue in cheek humor]


78 posted on 06/01/2006 1:28:22 PM PDT by ichabod1 (The Glory Hath Gone Out Of Israel)
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To: ValenB4
Mother Theresa was not a priest. Being a priest in and of itself is not an accomplishment.

Bingo. The Catholic church has always had plenty of opportunities for women to be Chaste, Poor, and Obedient. Oh, how does a so-call woman priest get around the Obedience part?

79 posted on 06/01/2006 1:32:10 PM PDT by ichabod1 (The Glory Hath Gone Out Of Israel)
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To: NYer

"My name is so-and-so and nothing's happening here, despite the pretty appearances."

-Theo


80 posted on 06/01/2006 2:15:26 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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