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Yom Kippur: Israel's Reconciliation
The B'rit Chadasha Pages | 9/29/06 | Michael D. Bugg

Posted on 09/29/2006 8:27:34 AM PDT by Buggman

In my first article on the Fall High Holy Days, we saw that the Feast of Trumpets is intimately linked by both Yeshua and Sha’ul with Yeshua’s Second Coming on the clouds of heaven, and saw that this corresponded with the expectations of the rabbis. Now we come to the second of the Fall Feastdays, and the holiest day of the Jewish—which is to say, Biblical—calendar: Yom Kippur takes place on the tenth of Tishri, nine days after Rosh Hashanah.

On that day, the high priest would put on a special coat of white linen and carry out a very unusual sacrifice.

And he shall take the two goats, and present them before YHVH at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for YHVH, and the other lot for the scapegoat. And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which YHVH's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before YHVH, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. . . .

And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. (Lev. 16:7-10, 20-22)

Today, the sacrifices which were the centerpiece of the Levitical ceremony cannot be held of course, but this does not make it impossible to observe the day. Like Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur is not a pilgrimage Feast: No one was required to be in Jerusalem (other than the cohenim, or priests) for its service. However, those outside of Jerusalem still bore the responsibility for not doing any work, gathering in a holy convocation (i.e., in their home synagogues), and for denying themselves (Lev. 23:27ff). Out of these three commands, modern Judaism has built its customs.

After a final, festive meal in the afternoon before Yom Kippur, Jews the world over dress in white in remembrance of the High Priest’s white linen robe that he would wear within the Holy of Holies, and at sundown go to what is known as the Kol Nidre (“All Vows”) service. The Kol Nidre is a prayer sung to a haunting cadence, which asks God to release one from any wrongful oaths taken that year. It dates to the Middle Ages, when Jews were forcibly converted to Christianity; they would ask God to release them of the vows taken at the point of a sword. Another traditional song is Avinu Malkeynu (“Our Father, Our King”), which translates as follows:

Our Father and Our King
Our Father and Our King
Our Father and King
Be merciful to us
Be merciful unto us.

For we have done no deeds
Commending us unto You
For we have no deeds commending us to You
Be merciful, save us, we pray.

Synagogue services typically run all day, with observant Jews petitioning God to forgive their sins. Fasting, denying one’s self, is mandated by Torah, and observant Jews will usually refrain from any comforts at all during the day, including bathing, wearing leather shoes, etc. It should be noted that Isa. 58 and Mat. 6:16-18 both speak against fasting to be seen and fasting in lieu of true repentance:

“Wherefore have we fasted,” say they, “and Thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge?” Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours. Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to YHVH? Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? (Isa. 58:3-7)

True self-denial is not the mere restraint from food, though it may include fasting from food (Mat. 6:16-18, 1 Co. 7:5).

Yom Kippur ends with the Neilah (“The Closing of the Gates”) service and a final blast from the shofar. It is said by the rabbis that the gates of Heaven through which our prayers of repentance can rise close at this time, sealing one’s fate for the year. Of course, in the Messiah Yeshua, we may always “come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need” (Heb. 4:16). However, there is still an eschatological truth to the rabbinical belief, discussed in the previous article on Rosh Hashanah.

Of course, it may rightly be asked in what sense can one be atoned for on this day without blood, “for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul” (Lev. 17:11). One who believes in the Messiah Yeshua, of course, looks to Him and His perfect sacrifice for their atonement. Non-Messianic Jews follow the belief established by Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai that acts of righteousness provide atonement (Avot de Rabbi Nathan 4:18). However, even in the Jewish community, the need for blood redemption still runs deep. In the ceremony called Kaparot, practiced only in very Orthodox circles, a chicken is waived over the head three times as the man says,

“This is my substitute, my vicarious offering, my atonement. This fowl shall meet death, but I shall enjoy a long, happy life.” After reading several selections from Job and the Psalms, the person lays his hand on the head of the bird as a symbol of identification, it is killed as his substitute, and given to the poor for their final meal before the fast. (Howard and Rosenthal, The Feasts of the Lord, p. 126)
Why is a chicken used instead of a goat, for example? Because goats, bulls, oxen, rams, and lambs could only be offered for sacrifice in the Temple, so the rabbis forbade the use of any animal which might make it appear that one was continuing the sacrificial system. (Turkey or chicken is substituted for lamb for the Passover dinner in most Ashkenazi homes for the same reason.)

In Biblical times, of course, a bull and two goats were the sacrifices made. The bull was offered for the sins of the High Priest and the other priests, so that he could be purified before entering into God’s presence. The goats, one for Yhvh and one for the scapegoat would then atone for Israel. The word “scapegoat” is a translation of Azazel. Keil and Delitzsch explain the significance of the word:

Azazel, which only occurs in this chapter, signifies neither “a remote solitude,” nor any locality in the desert whatever (as Jonathan, Rashi, etc., suppose); nor the “he-goat” . . . The words, one lot for Jehovah and one for Azazel, require unconditionally that Azazel should be regarded as a personal being, in opposition to Jehovah. . . We have not to think, however, of [just] any demon whatever, who seduces men to wickedness in the form of an evil spirit, as the fallen angel Azazel is represented as doing in the Jewish writings . . . but of the devil himself, the head of the fallen angels, who was afterwards called Satan; for no subordinate evil spirit could have been placed in antithesis to Jehovah as Azazel is here, but only the ruler or head of the kingdom of demons. The desert and desolate places are mentioned elsewhere as the abode of evil spirits (Isa. 13:21 and 34:14; Mat. 12:43; Luk. 11:24; Rev. 18:2). (Keil, Johann and Franz Delitzsch, Keil & Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament, [e-Sword version 7.0.0, ed. Rick Meyers, 2000-2003])
And yet, while the “scapegoat” was, in effect, given over to Azazel, to the very Enemy himself, the “two goats . . . must be altogether alike in look, size, and value; indeed, so earnestly was it sought to carry out the idea that these two formed parts of one and the same sacrifice, that it was arranged that they should, if possible, even be purchased at the same time” (Edersheim, The Temple: Its Ministry and Services, p. 248). So all speculations that the scapegoat might represent Satan or the Antichrist or some other evil entity fall short. What could these two goats signify other than the dual-natured Messiah Yeshua? He carried away all our sin, just as the scapegoat would be sent into the wilderness with the sins of Israel: “As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us” (Psa. 103:12). Unlike the lambs, goats, and bulls that died on the altar, our Messiah rose again. Thus, like the two goats, He was both sacrificed and yet lives.

A red ribbon was tied in the horns of the scapegoat. When the goat was led out before the people, if God accepted the sacrifice, the ribbon would miraculously turn white as a reminder of the promise that “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool” (Isa. 1:18). It is most interesting that for the forty years between the sacrifice of Yeshua and the destruction of the Temple, the scarlet ribbon did not turn white!

Forty years before the Temple was destroyed the chosen lot was not picked with the right hand, nor did the crimson stripe turn white, nor did the westernmost light burn; and the doors of the Temple’s Holy Place swung open by themselves, until Rabbi Yochanon ben Zakkai spoke saying: “O most Holy Place, why have you become disturbed? I know full well that your destiny will be destruction, for the prophet Zechariah ben Iddo has already spoken regarding you saying: 'Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour the cedars'” (Zech. 11:1). (Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 39b)
Hebrews 8 -10 explains that when Messiah completed His sacrifice on the cross, He entered the heavenly Holy of Holies, of which that of the Tabernacle and the Temple were merely copies, to complete the Yom Kippur ritual of atonement. The sacrifice was not accepted because it was being offered by the wrong High Priest:
For Messiah is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: nor yet that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others . . . But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; from henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool. (Heb. 9:24-25, 10:12-13)
But if this is the sole and sufficient fulfillment of the feastday of Yom Kippur, then we have a problem. In every other feastday that we have seen fulfilled in history, the fulfillment took place on that day. Yeshua was offered up on Passover as the Lamb of God, thus taking away our sin just as leaven was removed from the Hebrews’ houses during the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. He rose as the firstfruits of the dead (cf. 1 Co. 15:20-23) on Sfirat HaOmer or HaBikkurim, the Feast of Firstfruits. The Church was given the Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit) in power on Shavuot, or Pentecost, the Feast of Weeks. And we have seen that His Second Coming seems likely to occur on a Rosh Hashanah in order to fulfill that feastday. Why then would the Day of Atonement be out of sequence?

The Exodus
The Feastdays of the Torah are divided into three groups—the spring feasts, Shavuot (Pentecost), and then the fall feasts—each of which is linked to a distinct stage of the Exodus and Israel’s instruction at Sinai. In addition, there are at least three minor feasts (that is, those which were not ordained at Sinai) which are also prophetically significant. The key to understanding the Feasts’ prophetic significance is to understand their historical significance.

When YHVH reorganized Israel’s calendar by proclaiming the month of the Pesach (Passover) to be the “beginning of months” (Exo. 12:2), He was establishing that His plan of salvation begins with the Passover. However, to truly understand God’s plan, we begin our brief study not with the Passover, but with the six “silent” months which separate the Passover from the previous Sinai-ordained Feastday, Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. Within this “silent period” lie two minor Feasts: Hanukkah, which celebrates the victory of Israel over the forces of Antiochus Epiphanes, and Purim, which celebrates her victory over the forces of Haman some three centuries earlier as is described in the book of Esther. Hanukkah has an eschatological significance which will be explored in another article, but for now it is enough to note the element these two feasts share in common: Both celebrate YHVH’s “hidden” protection of and provision for His people. Though He did not act with any obvious miracles like fire from the sky or supernatural plagues, nevertheless He brought His people to victory against overwhelming odds: In Purim by the placement of a Jewish queen, and in Hanukkah by giving the Jews might in battle.

These “silent” months between Sukkot and Pesach correspond to the 430 “silent years” which lead up both to the Passover of the Exodus (Gal. 3:17) and the Passover of the Messiah. Both periods were characterized by the lack of a true prophet to lead the people, “a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of YHVH" (Amos 8:11). God had not forgotten His people, but it probably felt to them like He had.

When the Lord fulfilled His promise to redeem His people from bondage, it was through the Passover and the death of a Lamb. God’s people were set free from Egypt via the blood of the lamb painted on their doorposts, so that they would not die in God’s wrath. Likewise, God’s people were set free from sin by the blood of the Lamb painted on their hearts, so that they would not die in God’s wrath. The seven days of the Feast of Matzah, in which all the leaven had to be removed from Israel’s houses and no leaven could be eaten, represents the quick removal of Israel from Egypt (in which there was no time to make leavened bread) and the complete removal of all sin in our lives by the sacrifice of Yeshua as we flee the ways of the world.

In the third month after Israel’s departure from Egypt, they arrived at Mt. Sinai (Ex. 19:1). There God descended on the mountain in fire, with the sound of a shofar (vv. 16ff), and called Moses up the mountain to begin giving him the Torah. According to Jewish tradition, the day that this happened was the day of Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks, a date consistent with the Biblical record. Like HaBikkurim, the Feast of Firstfruits for the barley harvest, on which Messiah was raised as the Firstfruits of the dead (cf. 1 Co. 15:20), Shavuot is a firstfruits festival for the wheat harvest. On the first Shavuot, the firstfruits of the nation of Israel began receiving the Torah. On Shavuot after the death and resurrection of the Messiah, the firstfruits of the Church began receiving the Torah written on their hearts by the giving of the Spirit of God in the form of fire and with a great sound (Jer. 31:33, Ezk. 36:26-27, Acts 2:3ff).

After giving Moses the first commandments, the Lord called him back up the mountain to receive further instruction, and Moses remained with Him for forty days (Exo. 24:18). It was during this period that Aaron led the people in the sin of making and worshiping the golden calf. When Moses descended again from the mountain and saw this, he smashed the stone tablets on which God had written His commandments, signifying that Israel had broken the covenant they had made to follow all of God’s commands, and many in Israel died, both at the hands of the Levites whom Moses commanded to take arms against their kinsmen, and by a plague sent by God. Moreover, Moses removed the Tent of Meeting (not the Tabernacle, which had not yet been built, but a different tent in which Moses lived and met with YHVH; Exo. 33:7ff) to outside the camp, signifying that the people’s sin was great enough that God had removed the visible place which was the focal point of Israel’s worship and His Presence.

The parallel is not difficult to understand: Forty years after Yeshua ascended into Heaven, Israel still had not repented as a body from her “golden calf.” Just as Israel in the Exodus fell into the sin of worshipping God in the manner of their tradition (in this case, image-based worship), which they learned while in Egypt, instead of worshipping God in the manner in which He had commanded them, Israel in the first century fell into the sin of worshipping God in the manner of their traditions rather than doing so through the Messiah as He had commanded them. While the details differed, the essential core of the sin was the same.

So was the punishment. As Israel in the Exodus was punished by the sword and plague, so Israel in 70 AD was punished by the sword and plague. And as Israel in the Exodus had the Tent of Meeting removed by their prophet, Moses, so Israel in the first century had the Temple removed by the prophet after Moses, Yeshua HaMashiach. The destruction of both Temples took place on Tishbi b’Av, or the 9th of the month of Av. While it cannot be proven, the timing of the Golden Calf incident makes it quite possible that Tishbi b’Av is the day on which Moses removed the Tent of Meeting as well.

In the Exodus sin, God’s fury was so great that He said to Moses, “Now therefore let Me alone, that My wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation” (Exo. 32:10). YHVH-Tzva’ot, the Lord of Hosts, was actually planning to destroy the whole nation and start over with Moses and his children! This is, in fact, what Replacement Theology claims that God did to Israel in the first century: destroyed them, and replaced them with the Messiah’s “children,” the Church.

Those who believe that God has cast away His chosen nation need to take another look at Exodus. Moses, who had not joined in the sin of the people, interceded for Israel so that God would not utterly destroy them, though He did punish them, even (temporarily) taking away their place of worship. Are we to think that Yeshua did any less, or that His intercession for Israel would be any less heard? And notice the basis on which Moses interceded for Israel: Not on the basis of their obedience or repentance, but on the basis of YHVH’s Name—that is, His reputation—and His promises (ibid., vv. 12-13). It is on this same basis that the Lord has already begun returning Israel to her land: “Thus saith the Lord YHVH; ‘I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for Mine holy Name's sake . . .’” (Ezk. 36:22).

The Future Fulfillment
“Okay,” the amillennialist answers, “clearly not all of the Jews were destroyed, but the Temple was, and since we are now the Temple of God, there will be no other.” Again, keep reading. After seeing to the punishment of Israel and removing the Tent of Meeting, Moses was told by God, “And I will send an angel before thee . . . for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way” (Exo. 33:2, 3). But Moses, not content that a lesser angel go with Israel, returned up the mountain, and interceded with God for another forty days, going without food or water, until YHVH relented and agreed to send His Presence with Israel. The form in which His Presence went with Israel was in the pillar of fire and cloud which was intimately connected with the Tabernacle:

The Tabernacle of Israel was known by several names. . . The name dwelling from Heb. mishkan, from shakan, to “lie down,” a “dwelling,” connected itself with the Jewish, though not scriptural, word Shekinah, as describing the dwelling place of the divine glory. (Unger, F., The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, R.K. Harrison, ed. [Moody, 1988] “Tabernacle of Israel,” p. 1238)
According to the Talmud, the day on which Moses returned with the second set of stone tablets, showing that YHVH had forgiven Israel and restored fellowship with them, was the day of Yom Kippur (Tractate Taanit 30b), and the forty days that he fasted before God correspond with the forty days of T’shuva (Repentence) that are traditionally observed leading up to the Day of Atonement. (This forty-day period of fasting may be the same forty-day period that Yeshua spent fasting and being tested in the wilderness after His baptism.)

Likewise, the day on which Yeshua will return to restore His fellowship with Israel, and direct them in building a Temple greater than that which they built on their own, just as Moses directed Israel in building a Tabernacle greater than the former Tent of Meeting which was taken away from the camp, will be on Yom Kippur. Like the Levitial High Priest emerging from the Holy of Holies to show that God had accepted the sacrifice of the goat on the people’s behalf, Yeshua will emerge from the Holy of Holies in Heaven to show Israel that God has accepted His sacrifice on their behalf.

Yom Kippur is not yet complete. Our High Priest is hidden from our eyes, beyond the veil, making intercession for us day and night, but He has not yet emerged to show all Israel that His blood-stained garments have been turned as white as snow, proving that the Father has accepted the High Priest’s sacrifice on behalf of all Israel, not just the remnant that now believe. When He does, carrying the sign of a covenant restored before Israel even as Moses did, then the Temple promised by Ezekiel will be built, just as the Tabernacle was.

When will the High Priest come forth? On the last day of Daniel’s Seventieth Week when Israel and Jerusalem will “make reconciliation for iniquity” (Dan. 9:24). The word for reconciliation, kaphar, is most often translated “atonement.”

With Israel’s sins atoned for, the way will be made for the final stage of the Messiah’s reconciliation of all things to Himself. Next we will study Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles, when Yeshua will be officially crowned King over all the nations . . . on His birthday.

Shalom, and God bless.


TOPICS: Judaism; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: atonement; christ; christianity; day; eschatology; feastdays; feasts; jesus; judaism; kippur; messiah; messianic; prophecy; sacrificd; secondcoming; temple; yeshua; yom; yomkippur
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To: topcat54; kerryusama04
You are left with the undeniable fact that nowhere do we find Christ's church (Jews and gentiles together) worshiping on the last day sabbath of the Jews. Nowhere, unless you have a verse or two hidden up your sleeve.

Acts 18:24-26

It is very sad to see one continue in their Roman apostasy, knowing full well their error....but refusing to acknowledge it.

81 posted on 10/09/2006 5:53:54 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618; topcat54; kerryusama04
It is very sad to see one continue in their Roman apostasy, knowing full well their error....but refusing to acknowledge it.

That seems a tad strong. Personally I see nothing in scripture to support either Saturday or Sunday worship. In fact, I would argue that all of this has been done away with:

For sure, believers are commanded to come together, but I would argue that having a set time for worship service is strictly for our convenience-not something that God emphasizes. Any emphasis on a set day is unfounded. God did away with it all.
82 posted on 10/10/2006 5:01:22 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48)
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To: HarleyD; Diego1618; topcat54
That seems a tad strong. Personally I see nothing in scripture to support either Saturday or Sunday worship. In fact, I would argue that all of this has been done away with:

Then by what standard shall we be judged? Please don't think I (we) only worship God on the Sabbath. The thesis here is that the Sabbath was the Sabbath in Genesis, in Exodus, in Isaiah, in Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John, in Acts, and Paul's letters, in Genesis, and beyond. I can't speak for my Sabbatarian brothers, but I would never not worship God on any day of the week. My burning question is that since the only day ever commanded to be kept Holy by God is the 7th day, then why do nearly all the Protestants keep the day commanded by the Church they are Protesting?

Isa 66:22 "For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure. Isa 66:23 "And it shall be from new moon to new moon And from sabbath to sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me," says the LORD.

Galatians was written to Gentile believers who used to worship the elements. Do you really believe that Paul would call the 10 Commandments "worthless elemental things"?

Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law. God did away with it all.

I'm curious, where is it all done away with if Isaiah prophesied that the Sabbath will be in the new earth?

83 posted on 10/10/2006 5:59:54 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04
Hi TC,

If you are having trouble finding a Sabbatarian Church, here is a list:

Seventh Day Baptist
Seventh Day Adventist
United Church of God
Independent Churches of God (100% Sabbath with only about 5% of the doctrine and no MSG!)
Messianic Jew

Judging from your posts, I think you might find the easiest transition with the 7th Day Baptists.

FRegards,
Chris

84 posted on 10/10/2006 6:10:20 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04; XeniaSt; DouglasKC; Buggman; Diego1618; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
Don't forget the context:

"So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. ... But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region." (vv. 42,43,50)

As it was Paul custom, he preached the gospel to the Jews in their synagogues on their sabbath. When the apostate leaders of the Jews refused to listen to the gospel, Paul took his message to the Jews and gentiles who would listen. They merely gathered on the customary day of the Jews. No big mystery.

You still cannot point out where the church specifically is mentioned in this verse.

We know it was the custom, of the Jews to worship on the last day sabbath. We know it was the custom of Paul to preach the gospel to the Jews in their synagogues on the last day sabbath.

But you still have no record of the church (baptized Jews and gentiles) coming together to worship -- to break bread in the Lord's Supper and to hear the preaching of the good news about Jesus Christ -- on the last day sabbath.

I realize this is a hard fact some some folks to accept, but such is the case. You can read Acts 13 plainly and conclude "nearly the whole city" does not equal "the church".

It'd as if one is saying that "nearly the whole city" came out to a Billy Graham crusade on a Saturday. Billy picks his dates to get maximum audience exposure. Paul did the same thing when he preached the gospel to unbelievers on the sabbath of the Jews.

"And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed."

Then they were baptized and became identified with Christ's body, the church, and, as was the custom of the apostles, began to gather on the first day of the week as we see in Acts 20.

85 posted on 10/10/2006 7:11:17 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: kerryusama04; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
Thanks for your concern, but since I'm not a cultist, I have no interest in these groups.

I'm a Christian sabbatarian. I acknowledge that the practice of the church universal for 2000 years is agreeable with the entire revelation of the Word of God.

None of the picking and choosing of verses by old covenant sabbatarians has changed my mind regarding the correct interpretation of God's holy revelation.

86 posted on 10/10/2006 7:16:00 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: kerryusama04; Diego1618; topcat54
Then by what standard shall we be judged?

My burning question is that since the only day ever commanded to be kept Holy by God is the 7th day, then why do nearly all the Protestants keep the day commanded by the Church they are Protesting?

Galatians was written to Gentile believers who used to worship the elements. Do you really believe that Paul would call the 10 Commandments "worthless elemental things"?


87 posted on 10/10/2006 8:01:54 AM PDT by HarleyD ("...and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48)
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To: Diego1618; kerryusama04; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
Acts 18:24-26 ... It is very sad to see one continue in their Roman apostasy...

We've been here before.

Read #458 and #462.

There is no mention of the worship of baptized Christians (Jews and gentiles) in Acts 18. There is a discussion of the customary worship of Jews on their sabbath, and the habit of Paul, Apollos, and others to preach Christ to them on their day.

What you refer to as "Roman apostasy" is merely the recognition of the universal practice of the church according to the Scripture (apostolic teaching) and a refusal to fall under the anti-scriptural teaching of certain old covenant sabbatarian cults.

88 posted on 10/10/2006 8:34:56 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54; kerryusama04; HarleyD
'm a Christian sabbatarian. I acknowledge that the practice of the church universal for 2000 years is agreeable with the entire revelation of the Word of God.

you mean.....The Catholic Sabbath?????

89 posted on 10/10/2006 8:35:06 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: kerryusama04; Diego1618; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
BTW, funny colors and big fonts will not make your argument for you.

Graphical shouting never takes the place of careful, reasonable exegesis of the Scripture.

90 posted on 10/10/2006 8:39:09 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: Diego1618; kerryusama04; HarleyD

Little "c" catholic, yes. I'm sure from your understanding of church history you can figure it out.


91 posted on 10/10/2006 8:48:31 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: Diego1618; kerryusama04; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg
BTW, I have no problem affirming my practice as being "catholic".

Now, will you also affirm that yours is the habit of the cults?

I believe the sabbath principle of one day in seven as outlined in the 4th commandment is eternally binding on all men in all ages. I also believe that the particular day of the week was not eternally set, and that under the old covenant the weekly sabbath was on the last day while under the new covenant the weekly sabbath/Lord's Day has been the first day of the week.

Exodus 20:10 says, "... but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." Note that it does not say the sabbath day is the seventh day. It says the seventh day is the sabbath day. And so it was under the old covenant, just as new moons and feast days were also designated as sabbath days.

While the day could change (and did according to the apostles) the principle of one day in seven remains the eternal. That is why it is placed among the Ten Words written by the finger of God Himself.

92 posted on 10/10/2006 8:58:04 AM PDT by topcat54
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Exodus 20:10 says, "... but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God." Note that it does not say the sabbath day is the seventh day. It says the seventh day is the sabbath day. And so it was under the old covenant, just as new moons and feast days were also designated as sabbath days.

While the day could change (and did according to the apostles) the principle of one day in seven remains the eternal. That is why it is placed among the Ten Words written by the finger of God Himself.

92 posted on 10/10/2006 9:58:04 AM MDT by topcat54

How do you take the leap to the Pagan day of Sunday and ignore the G-d-breathed Word of G-d?
b'shem Yah'shua
93 posted on 10/10/2006 11:22:02 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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How do you take the leap to the Pagan day of Sunday and ignore the G-d-breathed Word of G-d?

Last time I checked all the days of the week belonged to the Lord.

"The earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein."

To suggest one day of the week is more "pagan" than another is pure nonsense.

We also know that Jesus Christ Himself is "Lord of the sabbath".

The Word of God includes the testimony of the apostles and prophets in what we call the New Testament. It reflects the reality of Christ's new kingdom and the new covenant made in His blood.

God's people no longer live in the shadows of the old covenant that was decaying and has passed away. When Christ rose on the first day of the week, and met with His disciples on the first day of the week, and poured out His Holy Spirit on the first day of the week, He established an infallible pattern that His apostles used to teach the church, baptized Jews and gentiles, how to truly worship Him in Spirit and Truth on the first day of the week.

"Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

How odd that Luke would record Christians worshipping on an allegedly "pagan" day.

Paul preached a message and the baptized believers in the Lord Jesus Christ participated in His communion meal. This is Christian worship in the simplicity intended by God Himself.

The beggardly elements of the ceremonial law no longer bind God's people. We do not worship according to Hagar, the earthly Jerusalem. Those who worship on the last day are the children of Hagar. But the Jerusalem above is free.

94 posted on 10/10/2006 12:04:53 PM PDT by topcat54
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Last time I checked all the days of the week belonged to the Lord.

"The earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein."

To suggest one day of the week is more "pagan" than another is pure nonsense.

We also know that Jesus Christ Himself is "Lord of the sabbath".

Amen, topcat. You've helped me to understand this.

I'm always puzzled by the few Christians who do not embrace the fact that when the old covenant ended, the new covenant called for a new beginning, the first day of the week, the day Christ was resurrected and proved it all true.

A perfect symmetry.

95 posted on 10/10/2006 12:14:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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"Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight." (Acts 20:7)

How odd that Luke would record Christians worshipping on an allegedly "pagan" day.

Paul preached a message and the baptized believers in the Lord Jesus Christ participated in His communion meal. This is Christian worship in the simplicity intended by God Himself.

The beggardly elements of the ceremonial law no longer bind God's people. We do not worship according to Hagar, the earthly Jerusalem. Those who worship on the last day are the children of Hagar. But the Jerusalem above is free.

94 posted on 10/10/2006 1:04:53 PM MDT by topcat54

I believe this has been answered more than once.

To a Jew as Paul, the first day is Saturday evening when it was traditional to have a meal after the shabbat.

b'shem Y'shua
96 posted on 10/10/2006 1:11:24 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 144:1 Praise be to YHvH, my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.)
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I believe this has been answered more than once. To a Jew as Paul, the first day is Saturday evening when it was traditional to have a meal after the shabbat.

I'm afraid it hasn't been answered, at least not very well.

Luke, the author of Acts, was writing to a gentile named Theophilus. Theophilus would have understood Luke's words just as we understand them, as referring to Sunday, the first day of the week.

In addition, even accounting for a Jewish way of reckoning the days, it plainly says that there broke bread and Paul preached "on first day of the week."

Let's actually look at the text and not guess what it says.

"Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight."

It explicitly says they came together "on the first day of the week." It does not say they were gathered on the last day and then lingered on into the first day.

That may have been late Saturday evening or very early Sunday morning, or perhaps Sunday afternoon into the evening, but it was still the first day of the week. It was not the Jewish sabbath. It says nothing about what may or may not have happened on the Jewish sabbath since these were Christians. This was not a post-sabbath meal of the Jews. This was the Lord's Supper being celebrated by baptized believers in Jesus Christ.

That is a fact. We can deal with facts. We do not deal as well with speculation, esp. when trying to assert theological points.

The entire old covenant sabbath argument is about speculation.

There is no evidence that the church, baptized Jews and gentiles, worshipped on the Jewish, last day, old covenant sabbath.

That is also a fact.

97 posted on 10/10/2006 1:51:55 PM PDT by topcat54
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When Christ rose on the first day of the week....

You always come back to this false statement. I have showed you time after time this is totally non scriptural....but you persist. You obviously wish this were the case....to support your "Pagan Day of the Sun" theory....but you know it's not.

98 posted on 10/10/2006 1:55:42 PM PDT by Diego1618
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"Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight." It explicitly says they came together "on the first day of the week." It does not say they were gathered on the last day and then lingered on into the first day.

Acts 20:8 Must have been a cloudy day!

99 posted on 10/10/2006 2:05:14 PM PDT by Diego1618
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Dude, I showed you unequivocally in huge bold letters that the Gentiles and the Jews came together on the Sabbath. The same text also says that the Jews were supposed to be a light to the world. They kept the Sabbath as a light to guide Gentiles to do the same.


100 posted on 10/10/2006 2:06:32 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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