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FIRE LIKE WE'VE NOT SEEN BEFORE [PENTECOSTAL CHARISMATIC CAUCUS--PROPH 4 PRAYER & SOUL SEARCHING]
OPENHEAVEN.COM DIGEST ^ | 27 DEC 2006 | RON MCGATLIN

Posted on 01/07/2007 1:56:59 PM PST by Quix

NOTE: BOLD & COLOR EMPHASES by Quix

OpenHeaven.com Digest December 27, 2006

Ron McGatlin

Dec 27 2006 07:07PM

Published By Ron & Barbara McGatlin OpenHeaven.com

In This Edition
1. FIRE LIKE WE’VE NOT SEEN BEFORE
2. "A Year Like None Other!"
3. "The Day Is Coming"
4. Kingdom Growth Guides Added
5. TOP NEWS Headlines

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1. FIRE LIKE WE’VE NOT SEEN BEFORE

Jesus Baptizes With The Holy Spirit & Fire

By Ron McGatlin

"You have never yet seen the fullness of outpouring of My fire. You have seen outpourings of My Spirit and My love"

I tremble and tears fill my eyes as I hear these words. Anticipation and deep emotional excitement swell within my heart. Suddenly desire goes far beyond hunger. My spirit, soul, and body scream with intense yearning. I am again touched by the Fire of God. I am overcome in the glory of His holiness.

Eye hath not yet seen what God has prepared for those who love Him.

But by His Spirit, He is today speaking of a pouring out of HOLY FIRE as never before seen on earth. At Pentecost a tiny group of people were baptized in SPIRIT and FIRE and the world was impacted forever. The Pentecost experience was a beginning, a seed, not the fullness of the HOLY FIRE of God to be poured out upon millions.

Christ returned in the Spirit to be spread across the world in the lives of those who walk in the Spirit. Christ Jesus is alive today in the lives of those who are in Him and in whom He dwells by the HOLY Spirit of God. Christ Jesus is the source of the Spirit and Fire baptism coming upon the world. We have grasped the experience of the Spirit and we will come to identify with and be fully baptized in the FIRE OF HOLINESS.

As you read what is being said here, don't allow your religious mind to take you back to hearing any weak segmented and departmentalized teachings that you may have had in the past regarding baptism and Holy Spirit. Only those who are losing their religious minds will hear the reality of what God is doing in our day. God is doing a far greater thing than the wonderful revivals and the renewals of recent decades. He is about an even greater work than the fire of revival of the past centuries.

The works prophesied by John the Baptist are now before us and not far ahead.

Luke 3:16-17: John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."

This is not just about your personal experience or your personal need. John was speaking to a group standing before Him and prophetically to the world to come.

John's message was a baptism of repentance.

Luke 3:3-9: And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying: "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the LORD; Make His paths straight.

Every valley shall be filled And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places shall be made straight And the rough ways smooth; And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'"

Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, "Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."

THE OUTPOURING OF HOLY FIRE

The major revivals of the past have all at some point came to an end because the fire that brought the work was lifted. Much speculation has been offered as to why the fire lifted and probably there are several facets of truth involved. However, it is becoming apparent that these revival, renewals, and outpourings were steps in a process toward the fullness of the kingdom revival filling the earth with the glory of God.

Man eventually became the focus of past revivals. This led to the humanization of the work of God. Indeed there is need for man to be transformed, but the need of man is a secondary thing and has never been the primary focus of God in the outpouring of the HOLY Spirit and fire in revival. The salvation of man is a means to the glory of God and the rule of God on earth as it is in heaven. God is not a means for the goal of the happiness of man.

Some of the older past revivals carried a major message theme of be saved so you can go to heaven and not SUFFER in hell. The person's motivation for repenting was sometimes purely man-centered from a desire to not suffer and to be happy. There was nothing about God in this motivation, and it was all about man's desire to not suffer.

This humanistic gospel has evolved through time into things like give to receive, or give your life so others won't suffer, come to God so you can be happy and prosperous, and God wants to make you rich. All of these things may happen when people truly come to God, but they are not the primary purpose of God and the reason for the cross and redemption of man.

And it gets worse. Eventually this mis-focused humanistic gospel can mutate into the purely human focused false gospel of universal reconciliation and other forms of new age, feel-good perversions. Eventually a spirit of pleasure rules and every sordid evil immoral pleasure can become acceptable in the "church." Shallow repentance without change, form without fire, and "church" without holiness can become the norm.

This kind of widespread belief in the "church" does little or nothing to restrain evil and even spawns ungodly and immoral culture into the world. The worst part of all this is that revival is squelched and prevented from coming in and through the "church." Even though there may be cries coming forth for revival, a wide-spread revival of holiness and the holy fire of God is restrained from coming and remaining under the canopy of this man-centered church tied to worldly culture.

As best I remember the story, a godly man from China was once asked about his trip to America. What impressed you most about the church in America? To which he replied, I am amazed at what they have been able to accomplish without God.

The outpouring of the Holy Spirit and fire of holiness from God must come outside the man-focused church to a God-focused people.

Revival can come to those who seek to serve God just because He is worthy to be served. He is God Almighty, Who created all that exist. He is glorious. He is holy, holy, holy and above all that exist. He is the God Who gave His only begotten Son to redeem all that was lost. He is the God Who is love, Who is all powerful, Who is jealous, Who is the King of kings and Lord of lords. Lay down your life to serve Him because He is worthy whether you receive anything or not, whether you are healed or not or have riches or not. Serve Him because of Who He is and seek to glorify Him in all the earth. We are made for God, He is not made for us. He is worthy of the sacrifice of our lives as living sacrifices unto Him.

The prayer of a few righteous can allow God to send His fire in a spot.

It has been clearly evidenced through past revivals that the prayer of a few HOLY people who are led of the Spirit can cause the fire of God to come down in a spot on earth. Holy people are those who continuously walk in the Spirit. Holiness comes from being saturated (baptized) in the HOLY Spirit and fire. Jesus is the baptizer and lives in those who have given their lives to Him.

The prayers of an army of God's pure hearted people baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire and planted in many spots across a nation can allow God's fire to come down and draw many to Jesus, baptizing them in the Holy Spirit and Fire. This can spread into that nation as the fire of God redeems what is redeemable and removes what is unredeemable. God will have a holy people and holy nations.

Holy fire comes to the people of God who yet have impurities as chastening and comes as destruction to the wicked who will not turn to God and seek His kingdom and His righteousness above all else.

The coming kingdom revival will be different from past outpourings, because it will be all about God and His glory and His kingdom and not about me or you.

God alone is worthy.

Rev 4:11 "You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created."

Rev 5:9-13: And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!"

And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: "Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!"

Without Christ we are not worthy of the love of God. We are not worthy of the costly salvation He has provided. In our sinful fallen state apart from Christ, we are worthy of eternal separation from God Who is holy and worthy of all praise and honor. As we are in Christ and He in us by the Holy Spirit we are worthy to carry the fire of God into the world.

Just because the cross happened and just because the resurrection took place does not mean that we are redeemed and carriers of the fire. There is only two ways to live in life on this earth. One is to walk by the flesh and fulfill the lust of the flesh. The other is to walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lust of the flesh but fulfill the divine will and purpose of God in the world. Those without Christ have only one choice and that is to walk in the flesh. Those in Christ have two choices. If we are not walking in the Spirit we are not in the Spirit and will fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

The holy fire that brings revival will only come in a people seeking God with their whole hearts and who walk in the Spirit. Many, if not most, "church" people have disqualified themselves from revival fire. They have simply not become living sacrifices to God and have been conformed to this world. Ignoring all God is and all God has done, they continue in their comfortable way of conformity to the world. As far as the coming revival fire of holiness this kind of life is as chaff that will be burned with unquenchable fire.

He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."

Rom 12:1-2: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

1 Cor 6:9-11: Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Gal 6:7-8: Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

"You have never yet seen the fullness of outpouring of My fire."

He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

It is at hand.

Ron McGatlin

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I believe that this is a true prophecy with much fruitful food for prayerful pondering and Spirit-led discussion encouraging and exhorting one another toward such a day . . . redeeming the time . . . particularly if other predictions of terrorist nukes in places like LA etc. are going to come to pass this year as some believe.

May we all search our hearts and ask God what He would have us do to prepare for such a baptism of fire.

Note, this is for an in-house discussion amongst the Pentecostal/Charismatic caucus.

1 posted on 01/07/2007 1:57:03 PM PST by Quix
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To: Quix

I'm having trouble following it... can you summarize the prohpecy for me?


2 posted on 01/07/2007 2:01:30 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; airborne; American in Israel; AnimalLover; auggy; backhoe; backslacker; Baraonda; ...

ENDTIMES; PROPHECY; DREAMS; VISIONS PING LIST PING FOR THE PENTECOSTAL/CHARISMATIC IN-HOUSE PRAYER, MEDITATION, ENCOURAGEMENT, EXHORTATION, DISCUSSION CAUCUS THREAD

Please let me know if you want on or off this ping list.

Blessings,


3 posted on 01/07/2007 2:05:18 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
Note, this is for an in-house discussion amongst the Pentecostal/Charismatic caucus.

In other words, if you're here to fight or insult, leave now.

If you are here to discuss in the spirit of love, discuss.

Have I got that right, Quix?

:-)

4 posted on 01/07/2007 2:09:53 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Rodney King
My very paraphrased summary:

GET READY! BRACE YOURSELVES! CLEAN UP YOUR ACT!

God is going to soonish enter the world as never before in a purifying refiner's fire of holiness and Holy Spirit power and might. Whatever can be shaken will be shaken. Whatever's chaff in a believer's life [and likely elsewhere] will be vulnerable to being incinerated.

This life is not about comforts and parties for man's fleshly pleasures. It's about God's Glory. HE WILL BE GLORIFIED IN AND THROUGH US according TO HIS GOOD PLEASURE AND PRIORITIES, not our own.

SURRENDER ALL. There is no other option. Whatever you thought was your "all" is likely to be shown to be anemic. Surrender your all as best you can and ask God to take the rest regardless of how much of a death grip your flesh tries to maintain on whatever it is.

Determine to will God's will, Oh, Lord. Make that a confession and a desire. Determine to then DO God's will as He enables.

Buckle your seat belts. The "G" [vs E] ticket ride is about to begin.

I also believe the prophecy hints at grand things God is going to do in behalf of His Kingdom and His saints in the coming months and years. The light will get lighter and the dark, darker. But living and walking in His light with Him will cost us our all. We will look back and see it was all worthless anyway.

As Jim Elliott said--he is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

Quix commentary on his summary:

God loves to give good gifts to His kids. He's even happy to give us some comforts AS LONG AS THEY DON'T DETRACT FROM OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM.

Personally, I believe that even requiring that HIS GLORY BE UPPERMOST is for the benefit of us and all creation. HE WILL NOT HAVE REBELLION IN HEAVEN AGAIN. I don't believe He is some egomaniacal super tyrant NEEDING adoration etc. HIS GLORY AND OUR ADORATION are in our best interests and in the best interests of all creation. Just imho.

5 posted on 01/07/2007 2:15:37 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

thanks.


6 posted on 01/07/2007 2:18:02 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: fanfan

Yes. That's my understanding of the forum's rules on such threads.

I earnestly work to post such within the RM's guidelines and SOMETIMES at the RM's specific exhortation and counsel.

Of course, I first endeavor to follow Holy Spirit's leading on such while sometimes checking with the RM for discernment and a check on my own sense of such things.


7 posted on 01/07/2007 2:18:04 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Rodney King

De nada;
Bu Xie;
You're welcome.


8 posted on 01/07/2007 2:18:53 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!!!


9 posted on 01/07/2007 2:21:33 PM PST by navygal (Numbers 6:24-26)
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To: navygal

Thanks for saying so.

Any particular confirmation in your spirit or word from The Lord to you as you read it?


10 posted on 01/07/2007 2:25:34 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

A FREEPER has informed me that this has already begun to happen in his very traditional congregation/denomination.

I'm asking him to consider posting about what's happened and the results.


11 posted on 01/07/2007 2:47:16 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

All I know is that this is the second time that I have read/heard something like this.


12 posted on 01/07/2007 4:21:44 PM PST by navygal (Numbers 6:24-26)
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To: navygal

Ahhh. Thanks.

I've been hearing such for some time, too.

What did you think of the LA FREEPMAIL? Sure hope not but have also been convinced myself that that is on the schedule.


13 posted on 01/07/2007 4:30:12 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

In this day and age, I can see something like that happening. I do think it is an interesting post.


14 posted on 01/07/2007 4:36:57 PM PST by navygal (Numbers 6:24-26)
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To: navygal

The idea that the puppet masters are likely in cahoots with terrorists is certainly an issue worth prayer.

But mostly . . . that we and our loved ones must be walking closer and closer to God. It's never been really optional for those seeking life. It will become less so, imho.

But that fellow's dream was particularly vivid and specific, it seems to me. Very intense.

Is the fiery furnace experience slated to be part of God's Holy Spirit fire or are they different things?


15 posted on 01/07/2007 4:41:51 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Is the fiery furnace experience slated to be part of God's Holy Spirit fire or are they different things?

I hope I understand this correctly, we need to be on fire for God. I believe it to be a part of God's Holy Spirit. God let's us go through trials and tribulations (refining). Remember the potter and the clay.


16 posted on 01/07/2007 5:56:14 PM PST by navygal (Numbers 6:24-26)
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To: Quix

I reread it again, I believe it to be apart of God's Holy Spirit.


17 posted on 01/07/2007 6:03:25 PM PST by navygal (Numbers 6:24-26)
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To: navygal

I think you're right.

But after the baptism WITH fire, I bet we go through trials and tribulations a LOT easier.


18 posted on 01/07/2007 6:20:54 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: navygal

But after the baptism WITH fire, I bet we go through trials and tribulations a LOT easier.

Perhaps like the 500 lb canary saying

HERE, KITTY, KITTY . . .


19 posted on 01/07/2007 6:21:23 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

wow. I read the article and something I've never experienced before is happening. I'm speaking aloud in Bible Code. xym 231rt w45rw xxmz. Hallelujah. :-)


20 posted on 01/07/2007 6:38:35 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

This is a caucus thread.

Hostility, making fun of, argumentativeness etc. are all forbidden on a caucus thread. If one can't comment in a true spirit and attitude in concert with the topic and intent of the thread from the perspective of the caucus members, then one is to avoid the thread.

The RM has been very clear about such things.


21 posted on 01/07/2007 6:44:16 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

K. Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm gone.


22 posted on 01/07/2007 6:45:10 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: navygal

I think the following doc may have some insight into what may be involved for many believers to move into the 'firestorm' of God's end time moves and demonstrations of Himself and his power. What do others think?

from:

http://www.openheaven.com/articles/kingdom_revival/article.asp?id=99

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Casting Off Bondages of Past Religion Releases True Spiritual Authority - Ron McGatlin

God, our Father is speaking a personal word of magnificence - of release into heavenly realms - of true spiritual authority - of supernatural connection into open heavens. This is a word to you and I personally, and not to just someone else.

A blanket of religious slavery has restrained us for so long that we have accepted the limitations imposed by the restraints of religion and natural life. Under the blanket of limitation we have occupied ourselves with endeavors powered by human intellect and flesh. We have submitted to a false ceiling imposed by religious authority that called itself "spiritual authority". The blanket must be cast off! Our limiting systems of religious beliefs must be washed away and our spiritual minds renewed to the pure Word and Spirit of God.

The vastness of the heavens flowing the unblocked and unfiltered light of God awaits us. As we now lift the corner of the blanket and look out our hearts race with the excitement of the heavenly aroma of the fresh air of heaven entering our spiritual nostrils and filling our spiritual lungs with exciting reality of pure love and pure faith that produces limitless life. A desire and strength burst into our heart to throw off the blanket and be lifted upward toward Christ our true head and God our Father.

Released from the limited light of the false coverings we look up into the vastness of the wide place of the brightness of unlimited supernatural possibility. No longer restrained to fit the powerless form of religion, we are released ( YOU and I ) into the realm of God where truly nothing is impossible. Released from past restraints, the limitless faith of Jesus touches heaven and earth and Christ in us truly can do all things. Nothing is beyond possibility as you and I become one with God.

Experiencing His unfiltered love and bright light of truth causes even greater humility and we are broken and emptied of all our life strength and filled with only His heart, His mind, His faith, His love, His glorious eternal life. Though we are dead to our life and dead to our past religious ways we are more alive than ever with His quality of eternal life.

We now become enlightened to true spiritual authority and must accept that we now have true spiritual authority flowing through us. As He moves in us we can speak to the storm and it will be still. We can speak to the mountain and it will be cast into the sea. We can speak to the dead to come out of the tomb and they shall arise. We can touch and bring change into multitudes of lives and transform cities and nations. We can give a cup of cool water, provide food to the hungry, clothes to the naked, visit those in prison and provide for the widows and orphans.

The vast power of God upon this planet to reach the lost and transform the world is currently locked up in boxes of religion. Powerful men and women of God with supernatural potential sit on pews and submit to the religious limitations of "laity". Maybe they teach a Sunday school class in which they teach the limits of restrained life that they themselves have lived under all their lives. Not knowing they have the potential to command the demons that torment them and that are destroying their children. Waiting for someone else to come by and stir the waters of their stagnant pool of limited belief trained into them under the blanket of religion. Trusting in Jesus to only get them to heaven when they die. Not knowing that He has limitless eternal life for them now.

Preachers and teachers with the very best of intent continue to perpetuate the "truths" or doctrines that have been trained into them under the blanket. Standing as "clergy" and feeding the "laity" what ever they or headquarters thinks they should eat. Many leaders who may have looked out at times from under the corner of the blanket and may even be walking in a measure of freedom are yet restrained from the supernatural reality of open heaven living. They turn back to the security of the systems of religion and carry on as "pastor" over "laity", all the while wondering why their lives are so hard and why they are never able to do enough to measure up to the needs of their congregations.

The message of God is sounding out to "clergy" as from Moses to Pharaoh, "LET MY PEOPLE GO!" The people of God must be set free to cross the Jordan of death to old ways and freedom from past bondage. It was not good for Pharaoh after holding back God's people and it will not be good to be one holding back the people of God today.

The message of God to His people held in captivity in the past has been as the message of Jeremiah to God's people held captive in Babylon. They were told the captivity would be long and to faithfully serve the king of Babylon and live in peace and prosper in the captivity. The other prophets that told them the captivity would be short and to not cooperate with the king of Babylon were proven to be liars. It is good that we have served the religious systems that took us captive as a people centuries ago. It is the same as rebelling against God to resist what He has done. David never came against Saul though Saul attempted to destroy Him many times. In time God delivered David and made him the Shepherd King example of Christ.

But there also came a time when the captivity of God's people was finished. Then Jeremiah spoke God's judgement upon Babylon and spoke the word of God to the people of God to come out of Babylon. Jeremiah Spoke to the people of God in, Jer 51:45 "My people, go out of the midst of her! And let everyone deliver himself from the fierce anger of the LORD."

Babylon could not be healed just as our passing religious systems cannot be reformed. Revival, renewal, restoration, and reformation are changing God's people and not changing the religious systems of the past. The reality of the presence of God and the awesome reality of His consuming love is purifying those who are coming out from under the blanket of limitation.

The reformation process that began around 500 years ago is reaching a time of rapid progression as the powerful presence of the love of God is manifesting among the people of God. His presence is washing our minds of our old intellectually derived interpretations of Scripture and opening us to the reality of the Word of God by His Spirit. Only a pure humble heart filled with the Spirit can truly hear the Word of God clearly. The intellect alone will never discern the truth of the Word. It is Spiritual and must be revealed in us by the Spirit of God.

It is time for you and I to experience a major reformation. Time to really consider what we believe to be our limitations and open up to the vast arena of the possibilities of God. Time to come aside from our routine of limited life and seek the revelation of His eternal limitless life. Perhaps a time to reconsider our call and search out the heart of God and the fullness of His supernatural life for us.

Most of us may have never really touched or even envisioned the kingdom potential of God in our lives. In this season of religion fading away and God's kingdom coming forth, isn't it time to remove the lid from our minds and let the Spirit open the heavens to us. What is so desirable about our limited routine lives that would cause us to hold back from going for all God has and blowing the lid off? I don't know about you but for me, I must go for it.

Ron McGatlin
OpenHeaven.com IRN CRC
ronmcgatlin@earthlink.net

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23 posted on 01/07/2007 6:49:10 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Faith-sharing bump.


24 posted on 01/07/2007 6:51:04 PM PST by Ciexyz (Remembering President Gerald Ford with respect.)
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To: Ciexyz

THANKS THANKS.


25 posted on 01/07/2007 6:51:56 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Quix would you add me to your ping list?


26 posted on 01/07/2007 6:58:42 PM PST by cf_river_rat (Just another defender of the faith)
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To: cf_river_rat

Done. Thanks.


29 posted on 01/07/2007 7:02:35 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
Thank you for sharing this and think you have made a good decision by doing so. I recently had a dream so compelling that I still cannot get it out of my mind.

I dreamed of a tremendous earthquake in the Pacific Northwest. It was actually 3 quakes. The earth moved violently and in big rolling wave like motions. There were fires and I saw people panicked as well as animals. It was terrible.

As soon as I got up I checked the USGS web site. Nothing has really happened of course, but that dream haunts me.

We left our church some time ago, put off by members more concerned about traditional services versus contemporary. There were some pretty harsh fights about this. Our pastor never addressed the end times or the existence of hell. He never spoke of the rapture. I think he is doing a disservice for his church.

31 posted on 01/07/2007 7:11:09 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: Vicki

Sounds like you have a lot of discernment and wisdom.

I believe that each of us must do what we can by God's Spirit's help and leading to

1. HEAR HIM
2. OBEY HIM
3. TRUST HIM
4. WALK IN INTIMACY WITH HIM

And there by reside in HIS SAFETY whether we live or die

doing HIS exploits FOR HIS KINGDOM in all we do.

Playing church must end. It will end.

Playing Christian must end and will end.

They WILL know we are Christians by our sacrificial love, humility, wisdom . . . Christ-likeness.

God is leading 100's of thousands from traditional dead religion into clusters of believers who read The Word and Do the Word. Praise Him for that.

The world will have no hold on such individuals and groups.

I pray, Lord, God, that you lead our dear sister and her family into contact with others who put you first regardless. May they find the fellowship truly in you and in your passion for your priorities that you desire from all of us. By divine appointment, Lord, please bring it to pass for all who seek you genuinely. IN Jesus' Name.
Amen.


33 posted on 01/07/2007 7:16:29 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: TomSmedley
A thread may be designated as a "caucus" for a particular confession on the Religion Forum as long as neither the article nor the reply posts challenge any other confession.

Such threads are treated as if they were occuring behind the closed doors of a chapel. The assembly is not to be disturbed. Therefore, your posts on this thread shall be removed.

34 posted on 01/07/2007 7:18:17 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Much appreciated.


35 posted on 01/07/2007 7:21:38 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
Is there something about a caucus thread that is unclear?

Sorry, I am new to the concept.

In any case, I'm a pentecostal/charismatic Christian with experience in "the prophetic." A few decades ago, I even traveled with a pentecostal tent crusade, and soaked up a great deal of godly wisdom from Paul Sherman, a humble and powerful teacher of God's Word.

It might be interesting to note that "prophecy teaching" was once closely identified with Scofield's dispensationalism, which was also cessationist.

If I correctly understand the BIBLICAL role of prophecy in the life of the church, it deals primarily with the PRESENT, and focuses on ethics. "Given these facts, you can expect those results."

For example, the main point of the Olivet Discourse was Israel's rejection of her Messiah. It's impossible to imagine a bigger blunder than that. "Israel, you spurned God's best offer, God's best gift -- and there will be consequences." The exact nature and timing of the consequences can be debated -- but the nature of the offense underlying our Lord's prophetic utterances is very clear.

Pagan prophecy, whether practiced by Jean Dixon, Edgar Cayce, or the guy with four wives, fails to connect the dots. Pagan prophecy creates vivid word pictures of imaginary worlds that have nothing to do with this one. Pagan prophecy induces paralysis and fatalism, since it ignores our role in shaping the future through prayer, fasting, and obedience.

At its best, charismatic prophetic utterances bring clarity into the life of individuals and the church, shining God's spotlight on hot-button issues, and helping us to deal more effectively with the present. This, I think, is a valuable point of contrast to the arid fatalism of the anti-charismatic "prophecy teachers" and their spawn.

36 posted on 01/07/2007 7:28:48 PM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Religion Moderator
Such threads are treated as if they were occuring behind the closed doors of a chapel. The assembly is not to be disturbed.

Thank you for explaining this so clearly. Now I see, and will make every effort to "mind my manners."

May our God's favor be upon your house this year. Your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

37 posted on 01/07/2007 7:31:53 PM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley

At its best, charismatic prophetic utterances bring clarity into the life of individuals and the church, shining God's spotlight on hot-button issues, and helping us to deal more effectively with the present. This, I think, is a valuable point of contrast to the arid fatalism of the anti-charismatic "prophecy teachers" and their spawn.
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I appreciate useful contributions to the thread such as the above.


38 posted on 01/07/2007 7:32:56 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 01/07/2007 7:42:53 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

I think the following on

COMMUNITY strikes close to what I see God doing leading up to, through and beyond even powerful moves with the Fire of His Spirit.

From Pam Clark:

http://www.prophetic.net/visionp.html

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The Vision is Community...
Prophecy Given to Pam Clark, 3/13/97


PUBLISHED IN THE PROPHET'S PEN - MARCH-APRIL 1997




"Many people have been crying out to Me and seeking My Face and desiring My will. Many have found Me in the secret place. But I say to you, there is more, there is more, there is more and many of you know that there is more. But My Hand is at work, saith God.
Many have not understood My ways, but I say to you that those who believe what I say through My Word shall be blessed. Many have said, “We desire to do Your will, O God,” but I say to you, Look at the churches and you will see who is doing My will. Is My House a House of Prayer for all nations there, that is representative of the community and of My power, or does everyone look alike? You will be able to see who is doing My will, even today, saith Your God.

My Word is the same for all people. My Word does not change from country to country, city to city nor people to people. I am the Same, yesterday, today and forever, saith Your God.

My people are crying, but I say unto you that you are crying because you have lost the vision. The vision is community but you have built your own vision. Your vision does not measure up to My Vision, saith Your God.

I am calling forth a people. I am calling forth a city, the City of God. You are building your own cities, but I am building My City, saith Your God. You are building your families, but I am building My Family.

Many have cried out for the nation and they have not understood My Hand. “Things are just getting worse and worse,” they lament. Yes, saith God, to your eyes they appear worse and worse, but I say to unto you, I am in the process of saving this nation. How can I reach the people that you will not let enter in? My Hand shall move, and in truth, it is moving.

You have no time for the orphan and the widow. You have no time for the leper and the outcast. You build your monuments to your men, but I am not in them, for I am in the secret place, and there I shall be found. You who build your societies and your towers of Babel shall not find My Presence there for you build these things for yourselves, not considering Me.

For plagues and pestilences and famines will come, but will you find My servant girl? As Naaman the leper humbled himself, so shall ye, if you truly seek to find Me. My daughter found her joy in me, even in the house of the alien, yea, even the house of the stranger and the enemy. And so shall My enemies submit themselves to the people of God [as Naaman did at the servant girl's word]. For I will claim a people who were not a people and call them the servants of the Most High God.

I am calling forth a Community of people--a people whose every day actions honor Me, saith Your God. My servants hold the keys to the real Kingdom of Life. My Hand does not turn except through My servants to whom I have given My keys!

I have called you to commune in unity. I have called you to gather in. I shall do the sifting, saith God. I shall do the sorting. That is not your job. I have called you to gather in the righteous, those who will hear My Voice and do My will and who call Me their God. When you praise Me, I shall do the shifting and the sifting.

Do not hinder My Hand. I may move one here, and another there, but I know what I am doing. I will give to this one a key here and to that one a key there and I will use these keys in the way that I desire, saith Your God. I hold the keys to the Kingdom, and I will give them to My righteous servants for their rewards, saith Your God.

My vision is Community, saith your God, those who do their labors unto Me. Have I not always desired a people of fellowship? Have I not commanded you to gather at the appointed times? Have I not appointed you to feasts unto Me? Yet you have not sought to honor Me but yourselves.

My true shepherds are shepherds of righteousness. My true servants are My true leaders. Be not dismayed at the contraints that I place within you for I am calling together a people of God. I am causing you to come together according to My perfect Plan.

I am raising up an Army of Praise. Their banners are terrible and awesome, for their Banner is Me. In Me, My people have peace. Be not deceived by those who are not in My Army, saith Your God. My Army brings forth righteousness. You will hear My Sound in My Army and it is the Sound of praise to their God. Be not deceived by those who are not of My Army, saith your God.

Sing, sing, sing unto Me. Sing unto Me a new song! Blessed are those who know the joyful sound. Trust in Me. Trust in Me. Do not be caught in the momentum of the hour, but sing unto Me, saith Your God and I will not disappoint you.

Many have been called, for I say, all have been called, but few have chosen to be in My Presence." †


40 posted on 01/07/2007 8:53:48 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Lord, I want YOUR HOLY FIRE in the lives of my husband and myself and in our families. We need you more than ever!


41 posted on 01/07/2007 9:06:35 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: navygal

I believe both experiences are slated to be part of it because He always puts a believer through the fire (and He sits by the fire to be sure we don't get overwhelmed by it all). When He puts us through the fire, a lot of stuff gets burned off that prevent us from receiving his HOLY SPIRIT FIRE (such as unbelief, doubt, worthlessness, etc.).


42 posted on 01/07/2007 9:10:11 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Quix

It was prophesied earlier (in the summer, as I recall) that seven cities have nukes in them, one in Canada (Montreal). I believe prayer can either stop it or forestall it or reveal it before anything happens OR cause the damage to be much less. So, PRAY.


43 posted on 01/07/2007 9:11:58 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Ah, you've certainly named yourself correctly...smile.


44 posted on 01/07/2007 9:13:17 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping. Quix, you have done an excellent job with this thread.

As they used to cry at the wonderful church I attended in the past:

! MAS FUEGO !


45 posted on 01/07/2007 9:17:03 PM PST by JockoManning (May God rest President Gerald R. Ford's soul in peace & comfort / strengthen the family)
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To: Vicki

We had a sunday school class on the subject, two semesters full. It was fascinating, frightening, and full of hope for the believer. It's coming and you are so right, churches who don't talk about this are really doing their members a disservice. Now to convince my husband to stock up like we did for Y2K. (Tomato soup anyone?) This is for earthquakes, storms, etc.


46 posted on 01/07/2007 9:17:09 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary
We always have extra food and water on hand. I don't know about the state you live in, but here in Washington State we have constant reminders to be prepared.

Sometimes I think they know something is on the horizon.

How can a church not speak of end times and not help to prepare us? Well I believe all one needs is their faith and Bible in hand.

47 posted on 01/07/2007 9:29:12 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: JockoManning

Thanks.


48 posted on 01/07/2007 9:34:42 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Marysecretary

Good points.

Thx.


49 posted on 01/07/2007 9:35:23 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Vicki

I much agree.

Though in Wash State, probably there are enough puppet masters running around loose, they may well know what they've planned! Wish we had secretary Freepers telling us when they were all suddenly vacationing in . . . New Zealand or some such.


50 posted on 01/07/2007 9:36:29 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIShe ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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