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The Early Church Fathers
Stay Catholic ^ | Sebastian R. Fama

Posted on 01/27/2007 6:12:35 AM PST by NYer

The Early Church Fathers were the leaders and teachers of the early Church. They lived and wrote during the first eight centuries of Church history. Some of their writings were composed to instruct and / or to encourage the faithful. Other writings were composed to explain or defend the faith when it was attacked or questioned. The writings of the Early Fathers are widely available and studied. They are accepted by Catholic and non Catholic scholars alike. Thus they provide common ground in establishing the beliefs and practices of the early Church.

The earliest of the fathers are known as the Apostolic Fathers. Their writings come to us from the first two centuries of Church History. They were the immediate successors of the Apostles. Three of them were disciples of one or more of the Apostles. Clement of Rome was a disciple of the apostles Peter and Paul. Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna were disciples of the Apostle John. Naturally we would expect that those who were taught directly by the Apostles would themselves believe and teach correctly.

Protestantism is based on the allegation that the Catholic Church became corrupt shortly after 312 AD. That’s when the emperor Constantine converted and made Christianity the state religion. It is alleged that pagan converts came into the Church bringing with them many of their pagan beliefs and practices. According to Protestant historians the pagan practices that were brought into the Church became the distinctive doctrines of Catholicism. Thus the Catholic Church was born and true Christianity was lost until the Reformation. But history tells us a different story.

Shortly after the death of the apostle John, his disciple, Ignatius of Antioch, referred to the Church as the Catholic Church. In his Letter to the Smyrnaeans he wrote: "Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" (8:2 [A.D. 107]).

In reading the Early Fathers we see a Church with bishops in authority over priests and deacons. We see a church that baptized infants and believed in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. We see a Church that believed in the primacy of Rome, the intercession of the saints in heaven and the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Thus we are lead to the inescapable conclusion that the early Church was the Catholic Church.

As you can see, the writings of the Early Fathers are especially helpful in refuting the Protestant claim that many Catholic doctrines were invented in later years. Although they are wrong concerning the age of Catholic doctrines their reasoning is sound. If a teaching appears after the apostolic age without evidence of previous support it must be false. Curiously enough though, they abandon this line of reasoning when it comes to many of their own beliefs such as the doctrine of Scripture Alone (mid 1500’s), The Rapture (late 1800’s), the licitness of artificial contraception (1930) and many others.

It is important to note that some doctrines existed in a primitive form during the early years. These doctrines would develop over time. One example is the Doctrine of the Trinity. All of its elements were present at the beginning but it wasn’t clearly defined the way it is today. It wasn’t until later that it was fully understood. This would not make it a late teaching as all of the information was there from the beginning. Other doctrines were developed in this same way.

Also worthy of note is the fact that the Early Fathers occasionally disagreed on minor issues that were not yet settled by the Church. This does not present us with a problem as we do not claim that the Fathers were infallible. While they were not infallible they were unmistakably Catholic. They clearly illustrate the fact that the early Church had no resemblance to Protestantism.

John Henry Newman was one of the more famous converts to Catholicism. After studying the Early Fathers he wrote: "The Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth it is this, and Protestantism has ever felt it so; to be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant" (An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine).

Christianity was started by Christ 2000 years ago and it has existed for 2000 years. It didn’t go away for 1200 years and come back. Indeed that would have rendered Jesus’ words impotent. In Matthew 16:18 as He was establishing His Church Jesus gave us a guarantee. He said: "I will build my Church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." If the Protestant hypothesis is correct, the gates of hell did some serious prevailing and Jesus Christ is a liar. But of course such is not the case.


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To: xzins

Don't even get me started on that one Chappy!

At least they aren't calling the Muslims Protestant.


101 posted on 01/27/2007 11:42:54 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: xzins

"They never were sure what to do with the Orthodox."

LOL! That figures! Who does? My Dad's two favorite priests were both chaplains; one Latin, a rear admiral, the other Orthodox and a four striper; both Navy.


102 posted on 01/27/2007 11:58:48 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Gamecock; Kolokotronis; Mad Dawg

I've seen so-called "Mormon Protestants," "7th Day Adventist Protestants," "Church of Scientology Protestants," etc., etc.

It's enough to make a Christian gag.


103 posted on 01/27/2007 12:01:50 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; pachomius73

Meant to add that our fellow Freeper pachomius73 is now at the GOA seminary at Brookline, Ma. Went there after his return from a tour in Iraq. He has re-upped and when he is ordained in three years, he will be an Orthodox chaplain in the Army National Guard.


104 posted on 01/27/2007 12:02:40 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; pachomius73

Congrats, pachomius73.

If you're not already a Chaplain Candidate, become one. You get to train and get retirement points.


105 posted on 01/27/2007 12:04:24 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Alex Murphy
Nevertheless, reading the mind of another poster is "making it personal."

Discuss the issues, but do NOT make it personal.

106 posted on 01/27/2007 12:10:26 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: xzins; pachomius73

"Congrats, pachomius73.

If you're not already a Chaplain Candidate, become one. You get to train and get retirement points."

Back at the parish we are VERY, VERY PROUD of him, sinfully so, I'm afraid! :) (We miss him and his wife and kids too, the oldest of whom is my goddaughter!)


107 posted on 01/27/2007 12:11:52 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: xzins

While in ROTC I was in the Simultaneous Membership Program. Basically it put non-scholarship cadets into the Guard or Reserve, (I missed the graduation requirement age by 6 months, came in to late) and gave us E5 pay, drill time, and GI bill money.

The one thing it didn't do was count towards was pay and retirement. Anyway, back in 94(?) I saw an Army Times headline that read: Some Officers Get Pay Raise." That caught my eye and as I read the article I saw that the SMP grads would have their time count for pay.

Instant pay raise!


108 posted on 01/27/2007 12:16:10 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Kolokotronis

We need good Chaplains.

When will he graduate? Hopefully before I retire. (No idea when that will be)


109 posted on 01/27/2007 12:17:35 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock

That wasn't a Catholic nun.


It was a protestant pimp nun.


110 posted on 01/27/2007 12:24:03 PM PST by clockwise
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To: Gamecock

"We need good Chaplains.

When will he graduate? Hopefully before I retire. (No idea when that will be)"

2010, I believe. he got back from Iraq last spring and entered the seminary last August. He had doubts about re-upping, but some of us old bulls, a couple of young priests and a Metropolitan got to him!

He'll make a wonderful chaplain. Because he spent time in a Protestant theological school before becoming Orthodox, he has an excellent grasp of scripture (we call him our walking concordance) and a better understanding of the American mindset than many born Orthodox priests, in my opinion.


111 posted on 01/27/2007 12:28:10 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Gamecock
Are you calling the Roman Catholic Church a denomination???

For the sake of this discussion, sure. I am still waiting for an answer.

112 posted on 01/27/2007 12:29:46 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Gamecock
Why are they, children of Rome, doing that?

The question really should be, why are they, children of God, doing that and why are they enabled by other children of God?

113 posted on 01/27/2007 12:33:51 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: mockingbyrd

I thought I did.


114 posted on 01/27/2007 12:34:02 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Alex Murphy
I have no problem reading and learning about the Church Fathers. It's their great-great-grandchildren that give me severe problems.

As an Evangelical Protestant, I have no problem learning from their great-great-grandchildren, such as Thomas Aquinas, G.K. Chesterton, and so forth. I'm also looking forward to reading B16's upcoming book.

Make no mistake: I have severe disagreements with Catholicism, and I am aware of them when I read them. But those disagreements are not where the battle of today is. The battle is not amongst those who have good-faith differences about the authority of the Church, the Communion of the Saints, the Sacraments, and so forth. No, the real battle today is against secular post-modernists who want to break people of their faith, against a world that wants to distract us with its baubles, and against an errant heart that wants to buy into the lies of the world so I can do what I know I should hate.

My enemies are not other Christians. It's the world, the flesh and the devil.

115 posted on 01/27/2007 12:35:10 PM PST by jude24
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To: mockingbyrd

Who is enabling them?

I've already explained what's going on here.

Where are their priests?


116 posted on 01/27/2007 12:35:17 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock
I'm still waiting for you to answer this question.... So do you agree, that doctors should prescribe abortaficiants, at least for the purpose of acting as abortaficiants?
117 posted on 01/27/2007 12:35:55 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: jude24

The problem is not what you listed. When Trent anathematized Sola Fide we parted ways.


118 posted on 01/27/2007 12:37:33 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: mockingbyrd

Oh, that part.
















No


119 posted on 01/27/2007 12:38:22 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock

I talking big picture here, not your individual situation, which you have already clarified.


120 posted on 01/27/2007 12:38:57 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: mockingbyrd

I can't speak to why others do anything.


121 posted on 01/27/2007 12:40:39 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: Gamecock

See, that's what I was looking for.

You sound like my kind of doctor. And I would be the kind of Catholic patient who would not scandalize you.


122 posted on 01/27/2007 12:44:32 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Gamecock; dangus; Campion
When Trent anathematized Sola Fide we parted ways.

I deliberately left that out - because justification is not the site of major controversy. Let's ditch "sola fide," since as a label it's not particularly useful.

When Trent anathematized "faith alone,"in Canon 11 of Sixth Session of the Council of Trent, it anathametized a particular belief - that you could be saved solely by grace, without any works ever occurring. While that may be taught in some Protestant churches, it is not and never has been the Reformed faith. The Reformed Church has always taught that works are the inevitable result of true justification. See, for example, WCF Chp. 11, Section 2.

The anathametizations simply don't apply to the Reformed faith because the anathematized doctrines in the Council of Trent are either mischaracterizations or abuses of the Reformed faith.

123 posted on 01/27/2007 12:49:10 PM PST by jude24
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To: jude24

"The battle is not amongst those who have good-faith differences about the authority of the Church, the Communion of the Saints, the Sacraments, and so forth. No, the real battle today is against secular post-modernists who want to break people of their faith, against a world that wants to distract us with its baubles, and against an errant heart that wants to buy into the lies of the world so I can do what I know I should hate.

My enemies are not other Christians. It's the world, the flesh and the devil."

Very well said. You are a credit to your upbringing!


124 posted on 01/27/2007 1:03:10 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Religion Moderator

God exists. Is that an uncontestable factual statement?


125 posted on 01/27/2007 1:13:12 PM PST by tiki
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To: jude24

I disagree. Christianity hinges on faith in Christ.


126 posted on 01/27/2007 1:18:47 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: cdcdawg
From Pentacost on those men and women could have retreated into the culture, but they were willing to die for something they knew as eye-witnesses to be true.

Excellent point! The first two centuries of the Church are filled with martyrs who died for their belief that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. Their belief came from oral transmission by the Apostles. There were no Bibles.

I just caught the fact that I interloped on this caucus thread, so I hope that didn't ruffle any feathers.

Absolutely not! Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant ... we are all seeking the Truth! We all recognize that Truth to be Christ. As I previously said, your comments are most welcome.

Never post before the second cup of coffee. I think that is in the Didache somewhere.

Lol ... according to my clock, it's now time to imbibe something more relaxing. And I already know that is to be found in Scripture :-)

127 posted on 01/27/2007 1:20:07 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: tiki
Yes, providing the statement was not represented as a statement of another confession wherein a member would consider the statement false, incomplete, a strawman, etc.

For instance, if it were an "Atheist Caucus" and the article or a reply said that Buddhists believe God exists - and a Buddhist came on thread and said, hold on now that's not exactly right - then the thread would be open to his rebuttal.

128 posted on 01/27/2007 1:22:49 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
What say you?

I've been away from the thread for several hours and only just found your post. You quote the above:

John Henry Newman was one of the more famous converts to Catholicism. After studying the Early Fathers he wrote: "The Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth it is this, and Protestantism has ever felt it so; to be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant" (An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine)

The Essay fills an entire book. He is a well respected theologian from both the Protestant and Catholic 'confessions'. This was not a random thought but one that developed over many years of study. His conversion to the Catholic Church resulted in the loss of great prestige and many friends. One does not take such risks lightly.

This thread will be followed by a series of others, all of which quote the Early Church Fathers, with no commentary. I believe these threads should stand, as 'Catholic Caucus' threads.

129 posted on 01/27/2007 1:33:12 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Religion Moderator; tiki

tiki: "God exists. Is that an uncontestable factual statement?"

RM: "For instance, if it were an "Atheist Caucus" and the article or a reply said that Buddhists believe God exists - and a Buddhist came on thread and said, hold on now that's not exactly right - then the thread would be open to his rebuttal."

So then an Orthodox Christian poster, mindful of the Cappadocian Fathers, could butt in with "I believe in God, God does not "exist"." Correct? :)


130 posted on 01/27/2007 1:36:04 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer; Religion Moderator
He is a well respected theologian from both the Protestant and Catholic 'confessions'. This was not a random thought but one that developed over many years of study. His conversion to the Catholic Church resulted in the loss of great prestige and many friends. One does not take such risks lightly.

If, under the guise of a "Proddie Caucus," a series penned by a prominent Protestant convert from Catholicism were posted would you and the rest of our RC FRiends protest? What if that series was at times less than complementary towards Catholic Doctrine?

131 posted on 01/27/2007 1:43:05 PM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: NYer
As long as the "Catholic Caucus" threads do not speak of or for another confession in such a way that the other confession could object to a statement as false, incomplete, a strawman, etc. - there is no problem with the thread remaining closed.

In fact, I think it would be a great idea if each of the confessions were to begin a series to reveal their beliefs to the Lurkers: "Catholic beliefs on x [Catholic Caucus]".

As long as no other confession is mentioned, e.g. as a comparison, there is no reason the thread should opened for challenges or ridicule.

132 posted on 01/27/2007 1:45:05 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Gamecock; Kolokotronis; NYer

If an article chosen for a closed caucus thread has no reference to any other confession whatsoever, there is no reason the thread should be opened. Accidental references posted as replies can be removed.


133 posted on 01/27/2007 1:49:05 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; NYer

Can we have an Orthodox/Latin caucus to discuss issues of particular interest and concern to us keeping in mind that the post itself wouldn't mention other current persuasions and thus the comments would of necessity likewise avoid such mention (well, if there are any Nestorians or Arians or such like still around we might offend them, but of course they could then come in)?


134 posted on 01/27/2007 1:58:12 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; NYer

Yes, you can have a joint caucus; as long as no other confessions are mentioned, there should be no problem keeping the thread closed.


135 posted on 01/27/2007 2:00:11 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

How does one talk about one's conversion then from Protestantism to the Catholic Faith without any reference to doctrine? How does one say "After much study, I was convinced the X-doctrine is in error and so I came to believe as the Church teaches." Would that then be seen as a polemic attack?


136 posted on 01/27/2007 2:01:26 PM PST by Carolina
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To: Carolina

Indeed, once you mention another confession by name - and, especially once you testify as to what that confession teaches - then you are subject to a member of the confession objecting that your statement is false, incomplete, a strawman or whatever. It is better just to say what you believe now and why on a caucus thread.


137 posted on 01/27/2007 2:06:20 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Kolokotronis

I get your point ;-)


138 posted on 01/27/2007 2:20:54 PM PST by tiki
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To: tiki

"I get your point ;-)"

I do love that line! Always guaranteed to get a response. Its nearly as provocative, yet true in a certain theological sense as +Athanasius' line "God became man so that men might become gods".

Both lines make much more sense in Greek than in English! :)


139 posted on 01/27/2007 2:28:27 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: narses

Seriously, Isn't there such a thing as a BAD Catholic or an excommunicated Catholic (or even a treacherous Catholic)?


140 posted on 01/27/2007 2:41:21 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Kolokotronis
Both lines make much more sense in Greek than in English! :)

We're waiting ...

But the God does not exists line makes good sense in any language, I think.

141 posted on 01/27/2007 2:48:40 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Gamecock; Religion Moderator
If, under the guise of a "Proddie Caucus," a series penned by a prominent Protestant convert from Catholicism were posted would you and the rest of our RC FRiends protest? What if that series was at times less than complementary towards Catholic Doctrine?

Bring it on! That would be truly interesting! (just so long as the Catholic Caucus may provide the historical background for said 'convert'), for example: Episcopal Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori, who left the Catholic Church when she realized that it would never accede to the ordination of women. Fair enough?

142 posted on 01/27/2007 4:03:45 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; american colleen; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Catholic Discussion Ping List.

How many times have we wanted to discuss the Early Church Fathers?

This is your chance!

143 posted on 01/27/2007 4:40:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Religion Moderator; NYer; Gamecock; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg
Protestantism is based on the allegation that the Catholic Church became corrupt shortly after 312 AD

That is hardly accurate.

Protestantism is based on theological error. The corruption that opened eyes was Middle Age corruption. The indulgence controversy was shown to have legs by the RC deciding to change their ways. Apparently, once that rock was overturned and corruption was discovered, there were many who saw corruption elsewhere in church history.

But the crux of the indulgence controversy was not about corruption, it was about theological error. The very notion that one could buy and sell forgiveness was contrary to so much scriptural doctrine that it's hard to list it all.

It took Luther some 95 points. :>)

144 posted on 01/27/2007 4:40:39 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Gamecock
Christianity hinges on faith in Christ.

Neither I nor the Catholics disagree with this.

145 posted on 01/27/2007 4:46:42 PM PST by jude24
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


146 posted on 01/27/2007 5:50:57 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: NYer
Naturally we would expect that those who were taught directly by the Apostles would themselves believe and teach correctly.

This is quite laughable when one considers the many admonitions Paul gave the early churches in the New Testament.

147 posted on 01/27/2007 6:33:54 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: NYer

Your qualifying statement as to why you posted this thread as a "Catholic Caucus" in keeping within the guidelines of the Religion Moderator, is most interesting. I applaud you for your tactful choice of words in your statement.


148 posted on 01/27/2007 6:55:53 PM PST by Ciexyz (In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:16)
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To: Between the Lines
Te truth is that God worked NO miracles thru ANY of the Reformers,Luther Calvin etc...
They were just intellectual men -Nothing more!
149 posted on 01/27/2007 7:02:19 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: sandyeggo

Reading the Early Church Fathers was what brought my husband into the Catholic Church, after he first kicked and screamed when I mentioned I was being drawn toward it. We converted several years ago.


150 posted on 01/27/2007 8:54:52 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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