That is not logical, Captain.
Posted on 02/10/2007 6:55:36 PM PST by Alex Murphy
THE Vatican is worried that many Catholics in the Philippines have already joined different religious sects, an emissary of Pope Benedict XVI said yesterday.
Walter Cardinal Kasper, the head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, said he was alarmed that Pentecost and charismatic groups were drawing Catholics away, the young in particular.
Novaliches Bishop Antonio Tobias agreed.
“They’re getting the Catholic faithful,” he said.
Kasper said he was sent to the Philippines to forge agreements with various religious sects toward Christian unity, adding there was much divisiveness among Christians despite ecumenism.
Tobias said the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines was having difficulty convincing the Pentecostal group, which comprises of 600 million members, to sit down for a dialog.
“This phenomenal Pentecostal movement is very recent,” he said, adding it was happening around the world including the United States.
“The right approach is to know what this movement is all about. It’s very difficult to respond without full knowledge.”
Tobias said he was taken aback by the Pentecost’s belief that the Catholic faithful are not Christians.
“So how do you dialog with a group that does not even consider you as a Christian? It’s not easy,” Tobias said.
“We ask ourselves, what do Catholics find in Pentecostal groups that they do not find in us? It might be an opportunity to purify ourselves.”
Not to worry, Fr. Pfeiffer is in the Philippines now cleaning up the mess one soul at a time.
That is not logical, Captain.
Great headline. Could be an Undead Thread, since they took away our spa.
Sheesh! Nope, no agenda there!
What about you, Alex Murphy? Do you also think: Catholic faithful are not Christians?
Why would anyone want to give up their Mother - the BVM?
In the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, which is very big in the Philippines, they don't!
It's a difficult environment for the Church ... the thousands of islands, the Communist uprising, the Moslem uprising, the dingbat government ... hard to reach the people as they should be reached. I can understand that people who really need the Spirit might turn to Protestant Pentecostalism.
The Pentecostal movements have an advantage in the undeveloped parts of the world, because just about anyone can declare himself a "pastor" and start a "church." The Catholic Church requires many years of intensive university education, which limits the number of priests in the field, in many places.
Reminds me of a favorite phrase: "Alighting upon the obvious with a sense of surprise."
LOLOLOL
To combat the loss of Catholic Faithful to protestants, the Protestants in Fiddlebacks send in the clowns
Pentacostals have seminaries as well as your 'church' does...Difference is, Protestants don't educate their students out of believing the Bible...
But what more education would one need than the Bible??? Paul, John, Peter, etc, were told by Jesus to 'follow me'...Most Protestant pastors I've talked to claim that Jesus said to them, 'Follow Me'...
"haughtily denounce these types of Christians"-----
I've seen it work both ways on this forum.
I guess one could say nobody has the edge on haughtiness.
Behold the Christians.
One thing that you have to give credit to the priests of the SSPX is that most aren't afraid to jump into these unfortunate situations and get their hands dirty a little bit. That's more than can be said for no small number of priests and bishops that remain part of the Church (for the sake of charity, I'll withhold names).
This is one example of a reason why the schism needs to be healed as soon as possible. I hope that when the Motu Proprio finally arrives it will mean that provisions are made to expedite the process.
Protestants in Fiddlebacks send in the clowns
For what it's worth, I feel that this is an unfortunate and uncharitable caricature of a group that has valid orders and sacraments, recognizes the pope as legitimate, and that several prominent Cardinals have said recently is not in schism. Perhaps something is in the works that we are not aware of, and even if it isn't, insults aren't going to make the situation any better.
"Protestants have seminaries as well as your 'church' does...Difference is Protestants don't educate their students out of believing the Bible..."
The burden of proof now lies with your contention that "Catholic seminaries educate their students out of believing the Bible".
Please back this statement up with sufficient evidence that it's true.
Why do you refer to the Catholic church as 'church'? What is that supposed to indicate?
Howso? Last I checked, Catholic seminaries don't "educate their students out of believing the Bible" either.
But what more education would one need than the Bible?
Good solid lessons on the proper interpretation of Scripture for starters, not to mention sufficient history to understand the background of Scripture, lessons on the teachings of the Fathers to ensure that one's interpretation is consistent with that of the Church through the ages. Knowing Greek, Hebrew, and Latin doesn't hurt either.
Just trying to keep a level playing field since that was the reference that was made to the Pentecostal church...
because just about anyone can declare himself a "pastor" and start a "church"
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