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Pentecost worries Vatican
Manila Standard Today ^
| February 10-11, 2007
| Rio N. Araja
Posted on 02/10/2007 6:55:36 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; vox_freedom; Canticle_of_Deborah
This thread should be subtitled Cardinal Casper the ecumaniac views the destruction his actions have wrought.
Not to worry, Fr. Pfeiffer is in the Philippines now cleaning up the mess one soul at a time.
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posted on
02/10/2007 7:05:46 PM PST
by
murphE
(These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
To: Alex Murphy
Theyre getting the Catholic faithful, That is not logical, Captain.
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posted on
02/10/2007 7:09:10 PM PST
by
siunevada
(If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
To: Alex Murphy; sionnsar
Great headline. Could be an Undead Thread, since they took away our spa.
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posted on
02/10/2007 7:13:11 PM PST
by
Tax-chick
("It is my life's labor to bring Christ to souls and souls to Christ through word and example.")
To: Alex Murphy
an opportunity to purify ourselves Sheesh! Nope, no agenda there!
What about you, Alex Murphy? Do you also think: Catholic faithful are not Christians?
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posted on
02/10/2007 7:13:14 PM PST
by
Enosh
To: Alex Murphy
Why would anyone want to give up their Mother - the BVM?
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posted on
02/10/2007 7:18:06 PM PST
by
Macoraba
To: Macoraba
In the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, which is very big in the Philippines, they don't!
It's a difficult environment for the Church ... the thousands of islands, the Communist uprising, the Moslem uprising, the dingbat government ... hard to reach the people as they should be reached. I can understand that people who really need the Spirit might turn to Protestant Pentecostalism.
The Pentecostal movements have an advantage in the undeveloped parts of the world, because just about anyone can declare himself a "pastor" and start a "church." The Catholic Church requires many years of intensive university education, which limits the number of priests in the field, in many places.
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posted on
02/10/2007 7:40:22 PM PST
by
Tax-chick
("It is my life's labor to bring Christ to souls and souls to Christ through word and example.")
To: murphE
This sentence from the article:
THE Vatican is worried that many Catholics in the Philippines have already joined different religious sects, an emissary of Pope Benedict XVI said yesterday.Reminds me of a favorite phrase: "Alighting upon the obvious with a sense of surprise."
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posted on
02/10/2007 8:40:52 PM PST
by
vox_freedom
(Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
To: siunevada
That is not logical, Captain.LOLOLOL
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posted on
02/10/2007 8:41:33 PM PST
by
vox_freedom
(Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
To: murphE
And thank you for the link to the sermons of Fr. Pfeiffer. He is a wonderful and devoted priest and I will listen to his latest tomorrow.
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posted on
02/10/2007 8:50:48 PM PST
by
vox_freedom
(Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
To: vox_freedom; sitetest; BlackElk
To combat the loss of Catholic Faithful to protestants, the Protestants in Fiddlebacks send in the clowns
To: Macoraba
Well, maybe they have not "given up their Mother".
Roman Catholics believe certain things about Mary. Pentecostal Christians do not.
It is interesting that the post appears to manifest a frustration on the part of RC officials that "they" will not just sit down and talk and that "they" do not consider the Roman Catholics to be Christian.
I have seen hundreds of posts on FR where militant Roman Catholics haughtily denounce these types of Christians. Many Evangelical and Pentecostal Christians understand the position of the Roman Catholic church and are not interested in endless "dialog" so that they can be brought to heal.
To: Tax-chick
The Pentecostal movements have an advantage in the undeveloped parts of the world, because just about anyone can declare himself a "pastor" and start a "church."Pentacostals have seminaries as well as your 'church' does...Difference is, Protestants don't educate their students out of believing the Bible...
But what more education would one need than the Bible??? Paul, John, Peter, etc, were told by Jesus to 'follow me'...Most Protestant pastors I've talked to claim that Jesus said to them, 'Follow Me'...
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posted on
02/11/2007 6:32:26 AM PST
by
Iscool
(There will be NO peace on earth, NOR good will toward men UNTIL there is Glory to God in the Highest)
To: Bainbridge
"haughtily denounce these types of Christians"-----
I've seen it work both ways on this forum.
I guess one could say nobody has the edge on haughtiness.
Behold the Christians.
To: Alex Murphy
What I see here is a family dispute among Christian believers. What needs to be done is for the Catholics to find balance between the Bible and prayer devotions. We Catholics need both. But also at the same time, the evangelicals, and this includes the Pentacostals must not accuse Catholics ( and this could include Orthodox Christians ) of not being "real Christians". The Pentacostals must look at the Catholic church like a member of an extended family of the global Christian church.
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posted on
02/11/2007 6:50:45 AM PST
by
Biggirl
(A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
To: bornacatholic
I'd far rather see these people coming back in some manner to the Church via the SSPX than to fall away to a sect where they have neither valid ministers nor valid sacraments.
One thing that you have to give credit to the priests of the SSPX is that most aren't afraid to jump into these unfortunate situations and get their hands dirty a little bit. That's more than can be said for no small number of priests and bishops that remain part of the Church (for the sake of charity, I'll withhold names).
This is one example of a reason why the schism needs to be healed as soon as possible. I hope that when the Motu Proprio finally arrives it will mean that provisions are made to expedite the process.
Protestants in Fiddlebacks send in the clowns
For what it's worth, I feel that this is an unfortunate and uncharitable caricature of a group that has valid orders and sacraments, recognizes the pope as legitimate, and that several prominent Cardinals have said recently is not in schism. Perhaps something is in the works that we are not aware of, and even if it isn't, insults aren't going to make the situation any better.
To: Iscool
"Protestants have seminaries as well as your 'church' does...Difference is Protestants don't educate their students out of believing the Bible..."
The burden of proof now lies with your contention that "Catholic seminaries educate their students out of believing the Bible".
Please back this statement up with sufficient evidence that it's true.
Why do you refer to the Catholic church as 'church'? What is that supposed to indicate?
To: Running On Empty
Tit for tat.
How about you address the substance of my post.
Many Roman Catholics here do not believe that these "Pentecosts" (bizarre choice of terms) are in fact Christians. The term "sect "is a pejorative in many respects, so the tone is set as to what the mission of the Vatican's point man is.
I am not bothered that you all believe that others Christians are "separated brethren". You all are the ones who have decidedly confused views about who is "saved" and who will not be. The doctrine about salvation outside "the Church" is not plain, clear, direct.
The clarity and immediacy of the Gospel continues to trump the bureaucratic structure and byzantine explanations that these Christians were previously given.
It is the "sects" that are meeting Islam head on. It is the "sects" that are making huge inroads in China. You can cite a priest or religious here or there, but on a large scale it is not the Roman Catholic church that is confronting and standing firm in the face of all the evil overtaking many places.
Maybe these Christians will talk to the emissary when they believe he considers them his peers, and that is not now.
To: Iscool
Difference is, Protestants don't educate their students out of believing the Bible... Howso? Last I checked, Catholic seminaries don't "educate their students out of believing the Bible" either.
But what more education would one need than the Bible?
Good solid lessons on the proper interpretation of Scripture for starters, not to mention sufficient history to understand the background of Scripture, lessons on the teachings of the Fathers to ensure that one's interpretation is consistent with that of the Church through the ages. Knowing Greek, Hebrew, and Latin doesn't hurt either.
To: Running On Empty
Why do you refer to the Catholic church as 'church'?Just trying to keep a level playing field since that was the reference that was made to the Pentecostal church...
because just about anyone can declare himself a "pastor" and start a "church"
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posted on
02/11/2007 7:21:33 AM PST
by
Iscool
(There will be NO peace on earth, NOR good will toward men UNTIL there is Glory to God in the Highest)
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