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Jesus: Tales From The Crypt
time-blog.com ^ | 2/23/07 | Tim McGirk

Posted on 02/24/2007 1:36:08 PM PST by Roberts

Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith--and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.

Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua. Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned.


TOPICS: Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; gospelofjesuswife; hewasarabbi; jamescameron; jamesossuary; jerusalem; jesustomb; karenking; letshavejerusalem; losttombofjesus; mariame; mariamne; marymagdalene; rabbismarry; sectarianturmoil; simchajacobovici; talpiot; talpiottomb; weddingatcana
How convenient that a movie producer can "prove" that Jesus wasn't resurrected.
1 posted on 02/24/2007 1:36:09 PM PST by Roberts
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To: Roberts

Oh yes. But there will be people who cite him for years as proof...


2 posted on 02/24/2007 1:37:11 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

How funny. James Cameron is the Oliver Stone of the 21st century.


3 posted on 02/24/2007 1:38:03 PM PST by Roberts
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To: Roberts
I wonder if James Cameron would be audacious enough to prove that Muhammed didn't ascend directly to Heaven.
4 posted on 02/24/2007 1:43:01 PM PST by Quick or Dead
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To: Roberts

Resurrexit sicut dixit, Alleluia.


5 posted on 02/24/2007 2:04:26 PM PST by fogofbobegabay
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To: Roberts
Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests

DNA tests could prove that the remains of the people in the coffins are related to each other. It doesn't prove anything re whether or not this is THE Jesus of Nazareth and his family.

Smells like a 1st Century Roman disinformation op to me.

6 posted on 02/24/2007 2:06:06 PM PST by Argus
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To: Roberts

Amazing how James Cameron can do what no one in the first century could do, even though you know, those people were THERE at the time and everything, and many had every incentive to find Jesus' body and stamp out that pesky "Christian problem."


7 posted on 02/24/2007 2:09:35 PM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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To: ReagansShinyHair

There never was any 1st century disagreement with the empty tomb as far as I have found...


8 posted on 02/24/2007 2:12:22 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ReagansShinyHair

He's really gone in for this "King of the World" idea--pr for a real alliance with its claimant.

The egoism that would seek to have coffins of Jesus, Mary and Joeseph at one's control is demonic.


9 posted on 02/24/2007 2:20:52 PM PST by combat_boots (The MSM: State run Democrat media masquerading as corporations)
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To: combat_boots

pr=or. Sorry.


10 posted on 02/24/2007 2:21:47 PM PST by combat_boots (The MSM: State run Democrat media masquerading as corporations)
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To: fogofbobegabay

The Bible is an anvil which has worn out many hammers.


11 posted on 02/24/2007 2:26:19 PM PST by sine_nomine (The United States...shall protect each of them against invasion. Article IV, 4. US Constition)
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To: Roberts

So a large number of followers that were witness to all of that history opted to give up their lives and die horribly for spreading the story that there was a man from heaven who was the Son of God and forgave sins... a guy, who according to this movie, lived out a quiet life in the suburbs with a wife a kids? Yeah, that makes more sense.


12 posted on 02/24/2007 2:35:15 PM PST by alancarp (How many millions have to break a law before it's inconvenient to enforce?)
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To: alancarp

LOL. Nicely put.

I'm still struggling to understand how Cameron thinks he obtained a DNA sample from the Son of God, and without a court order at that.


13 posted on 02/24/2007 2:39:39 PM PST by Roberts
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To: Roberts

*** It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs.***

Whazza matta? Couldn't they read Hebrew? 20 years? Common!


14 posted on 02/24/2007 2:44:17 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Roberts
"I'm still struggling to understand how Cameron thinks he obtained a DNA sample from the Son of God, and without a court order at that."

Does this mean Cameron claims to be in possession of the Holy Grail?

15 posted on 02/24/2007 2:48:42 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: alancarp

12 guys sitting in a room, defeated

Their leader is dead, and did not resurrect as he had promised.

"Hey, I got an idea!" one says.

"Let's make up a fantastic lie, and then all of us go out and die horribly for that lie!"

Yeah, that would happen.


16 posted on 02/24/2007 2:50:20 PM PST by Nabber
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To: Argus

"Smells like a 1st Century Roman disinformation op to me."

I had a similar thought, but point the finger at the Jewish priest caste in Israel at that time; those with the most to lose. The New Testament speaks about how they tried to start disinformation at the time.


17 posted on 02/24/2007 2:54:15 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

There is a big masonic push to claim our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus succombed to sexual desire, having illegitimate children with Mary Magdalene, now apparantly wasn't resurrected, let alone ascended, but on the other hand are also pushing to advocate Islam.

Those who deny the Son, don't have the Father, nor the Son in them. Too bad they don't just receive and accept His prevenient grace. Not only would they accept the opposite, they would also receive the many gifts of God the Holy Spirit, predestined in eternity past for them personally.


18 posted on 02/24/2007 2:54:58 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Sola Veritas

You do know that Joseph, Jesus, and Mary were extremely common names at that time. It wouldn't mean a whole lot finding families with those names, anyway.


19 posted on 02/24/2007 3:00:00 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Roberts; All; Knitting A Conundrum; Quick or Dead; fogofbobegabay; ReagansShinyHair; Argus
These fools are looking in the wrong place:

They need to check Jesus' tombs in India:
http://www.tombofjesus.com/home.htm

And Japan:
http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm

But I suppose some vague DNA dating pretending to be able to decipher how old the bones are will do. (rolling eyes)

Wow. Names that aren't really consistent (several added), burial methods not consistent, and locations not consistent. What more indisputable proof could one ask for?
20 posted on 02/24/2007 3:43:29 PM PST by TitansAFC (Liberalism is social terrorism, and it's much closer to home. No to Rudy, under any circumstance!)
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To: Roberts

For the record, I think that Jesus' message of forgiveness and salvation through God is more of a cornerstone of Christian faith than whether he was physically ressurected or not. Even so, this is very weird.


21 posted on 02/24/2007 4:05:37 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
I Corinthians 15:3For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brothers at once; of whom the greater part remain to this present, but some are fallen asleep

Shhhhhh! can you keep a secret

22 posted on 02/24/2007 4:37:25 PM PST by the_daug
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To: Roberts

There was already a movie done about this. I cannot remember the title, it was an Israeli-Italian movie where a tomb was found and they found a body in it.


23 posted on 02/24/2007 5:47:32 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. -- 1 Corinthians 15:14


24 posted on 02/24/2007 6:03:02 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Between the Lines
the end cannot come unless there is a falling away first.

these hollywierd maroon's only glory will be to play even a small role in this larger play
25 posted on 02/24/2007 6:34:54 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

"You do know that Joseph, Jesus, and Mary were extremely common names at that time. It wouldn't mean a whole lot finding families with those names, anyway."

Indeed they were. This is just another non-event that won't change the minds of any believer, and will soon be forgotten by even the non-believer.


26 posted on 02/24/2007 7:46:20 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Cvengr
There is a big masonic push to claim our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus succombed to sexual desire, having illegitimate children with Mary Magdalene, now apparantly wasn't resurrected, let alone ascended, but on the other hand are also pushing to advocate Islam.

Cite?

27 posted on 02/24/2007 7:59:34 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: captmar-vell
these hollywierd maroon's only glory will be to play even a small role in this larger play

There is a reason that there is little evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible. If there were overwhelming evidence, what good would our faith be?

28 posted on 02/24/2007 9:21:26 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations. So should you.)
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To: Perdogg

The Body.


29 posted on 02/24/2007 9:29:55 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Roberts
>> Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected
 

Ring...  Ring... Ring... 

JC:  Hello.
LAB: Hello, is this Mr. Cameron?
JC:  Yes, this is he.
LAB: Mr. Cameron, we're terribly sorry. Do you recall 
     the lab report we sent you regarding the DNA sample?
JC:  Yes.
LAB: Well, as it turns out, we had a clerical error in
     the lab and we inadvertently gave your the results
     from a family in a neighboring village.

CD:  "Near, Far, where ever you are I believe that the heart
     does go on...."

JC:  My God, what have I done ?!!!

CD:  "You are safe in my heart, and my heart will go on..."


30 posted on 02/24/2007 11:23:03 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Roberts

And he probably thinks he's the first person ever to have come up with this brilliant explanation! What a maroon.


31 posted on 02/25/2007 4:43:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every "choice" has a direct object.)
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To: Rastus

Thank you!


32 posted on 02/25/2007 4:51:13 AM PST by Perdogg
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33 posted on 02/25/2007 6:41:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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34 posted on 02/26/2007 10:38:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Roberts
Attacking Christianity is easy no one will kill you and burn your houses down.

If this man and his pitifully partner had any real stones let them raise doubt that Muhammed didn't ascend directly to Heaven.

This would take real guts in that part of the world they could loose their lives and and the lives of their families.

But like I said it does not take any stones to attack Christ.

35 posted on 02/26/2007 11:47:22 PM PST by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
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