Judgement Day for Sean Hannity

http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/2007/03/sean_hannity.html ^ | 3/10/07 | Amy Welborn

[CatQuilt]

Sean Hannity... Wow. Well, this should be a surprise to exactly no one, but ... watch this. (Source)

(Actually, it might be better to just go here - look the right side at "Hot Video." 'Cause it's hot. - "Judgment Day for Sean."

In short: Sean Hannity running all over Fr. Tom Euteneuer of Human Life International for questioning his rejection of the Church's teaching on birth control.

[franky1]

Fr. Euteneuer teaches what the Magesterium and the Catachism states. He does not make the rules as he goes along.

The best kept secret in the Church today is Natural Family Planning. This is perhaps because progressive Catholics, who control most of the Church's teaching apparatus, have never focused on it. They think it part of the baggage of Humanae Vitae, a document they condemn out of hand without really pondering its contents.

[GOP_Thug_Mom]

When we received our Natural Family Planning instruction, we were told that it could be used selfishly--thus sinfully. NFP is only for the healthy spacing for children and is to be used prayerfully and charitably. The big issue regarding NFP vs. all other birth controls is that with NFP, every act is open to God creating LIFE.

This attitude shows people that the Church sees the conjugal act as more than just for having babies, but is also an expression of love and unity between the husband and wife.

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

"What if My wife and I want to have sex just for the pleasure of it and we aren't looking to have any kids?"

Oh, so you just want to use each other for pleasure, right? No, of course not. I always think of what that very non-Christian Ghandi said: "Contraceptives are an insult to woman hood. The difference between a prostitute and a woman using contraceptives is only this that the former sells her body to several men, the latter sells it to one man."

"Is it such a bad thing to take measures to prevent it?"

When exactly is it a good thing to do what is evil just because it is convenient and accepted by society?

"Would you support a ban on birth control?"

I would, but then again, our society DID ban contraceptives not all that many decades ago.


http://www.godspy.com/life/Gandhi-on-Sex-Marriage-and-Birth-Control-by-Daniel-Vitz.cfm

[incredulous joe]

Years ago, when I was young and apostate, my wife used oral contraceptives. When we eventually decided to have children it took us 3 and a half years to finally conceive.

I can't help but wonder about what these pills may have done to my wife's body in the long run. Hopefully, I just worry too much.

[Tribemike]

Its result is heinous though. God gives positive commands to multiply, and calls children a blessing. Euteneuer stubs all this out and then slides in under a technicality of avoiding explicit edicts of Humanae Vitae of articial birth control.

His process and program is most destructive however. It basiically destroys catholic progeny, allows for family planning at a percentage far greater than anyone ever claims for condoms. Irony of ironies......

No one knew of such science-based process prescriptive methods until the last 15-20 years. Explain the same program to St Pius V or X and what would they say about it? They would throw up and the former would flog him.

[Campion]

I am going to state another point of view, he was not struck dead because of "birth control" "withdrawal", he was struck dead because he violated a direct order from God about inheritance and first born children.

There are several problems with that:

• No such order is recorded in Scripture prior to Gen 38
• When the order is given, after the exodus, the penalty for disobeying it is not death, but public humiliation. The Mosaic Law invariably enacts harsher penalties than were in place before, not weaker ones.
• Judah also violates the "levirate law," by not giving his younger son Shela to Tamar (Gen 38:14), but he is not struck dead.

[Tribemike]

This is weasel wording. "Healthy spacing" of children is strict abstinence until St. Paul admonishes you coming back together so as not to "burn with passion." (1 Cor 7).

Euteneuer promotes this process as a hugely successful contra (against) ception (conception) that one poster on this forum bragged about "we've been successful with this for 7 years..." meaning, I've avoided getting any new brats from the Lord. He may be willing but I'm not. btw, (implied,) the sex is great) "

[Tribemike]

Agree on your points here but consider while Mosaic law gave stricter penalties (some 35 capital statutes), the Sermon on the Mount raises the standard very high. Instead of getting by with being a "non-murderer" Christ says you can't get angry without a cause. Instead of being a "non-adulterer" Christ says you can't lust in your heart. So, Christ teaches us about the spirit of the law.

Euteneuer is patting himself on the back by being a non-IUD/non-drug-pill promoter but he violates the spirit of God's law by showing hundreds and thousands of Catholics how to AVOID children at a better rate than artificial methods.

[incredulous joe]

"he was struck dead because he violated a direct order from God about inheritance and first born children"

This point was made by a Jewish scholar in the highly entertaining book "Harlot by the Side of the Road" by Jonathan Kirsch.

The book effectively outlines sex scandals of the Old Testament in a way that is fun to read. Kirsch points out some of the nuances of the books and, of course, he takes ribald pleasure in recounting these stories.

[sandhills]

Hannity was out of sorts. Invalid arguments all over the place. He was completely wrong when he said that Fr. Eutenauer was doing more damage to the faith than he was.
Since when does bartering pieces of our faith help the faith?

[steve8714]

Doesn't the Church's position come from an encyclical? Isn't it therefore "ex cathedra"?

[GinaLolaB]

I was shocked and appalled by the way Sean attacked the Catholic Church and Father Tom. I wish I could slap Sean's fat little face. He is a LOSER!

[Ronaldus Magnus]

That video is so sad. It's like watching a drag race between the Father's Corvette and Sean Hannity's Chevette. Sean just lacks the intellectual horsepower to do anything but embarrass himself. He clearly seems to be overcome by anger toward the Church and Her teachings. Based on his antagonistic and disrespectful tone, I will not be surprised if I hear that Sean is suddenly "born again" into a church with lower standards of personal conduct. He and his family will be in my prayers.

[Jaded]

I had to quit watching it. The Reverend is correct, he is a heretic.

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[Salvation]

"Go forth and be fruitful."

No birth control mentioned. Just "be fruitful"

[Running On Empty]

Once on one other thread was enough already.

[Salvation]

                From the Catechism of the Catholic Church (click on the book for the link.)    

2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).

 

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.

[Salvation]

Here's what Sean and his wife (as well as every Catholic coups) should be doing:

New Study Shows Natural Family Planning Technique More “Effective” Than Contraception

Clerical Contraception (Important Read! By Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer)

 

(Fargo) Diocese set to require pre-marriage course in natural family planning

 

Making Babies: A Very Different Look at Natural Family Planning

 

Natural Family Planning Awareness Week, July 25, 2004

IS NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING A 'HERESY'? (Trads, please take note)

Thanks Doc: More (and Younger) Doctors Support Natural Family Planning

Couple say Natural Family Planning strengthens marriage

 

Reflections: Natural family planning vs sexism

 

British Medical Journal: Natural Family Planning= Effective Birth Control Supported by Catholic Chrch

 

Natural Family Planning

[Right in Wisconsin]

the only type of bc i'm aware that prevents fertilization is a condom