Posted on 06/02/2007 12:50:30 PM PDT by Titanites
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**a class I was taking in the fall semester on early and medieval theology. **
Many forget that the Early Fathers were part of the first church. Some were part of the writing of the Bible that happened from years 60 on. And it sounds like this person found that out in his early and medieval theology class.
So what, exactly, is this profession of faith. Because we (as adults) do pronounce that with the Sacrament of Baptism. For infants, it is pronounced by the parents and godparents.
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An aspiring fantasy writer? He definitely belongs in the Catholic camp. Creativity, imagination, beauty, literature, mystery. I would think he'd feel much more comfortable as a Catholic. Sometimes we are just wired for one thing or another.
All right, I say “enough, already” with all the internicene opuses. I think it should be like leaving FR. If you wanna leave, just shut up and leave. A letter of resignation is not necessary. Just leave your decoder ring at the door.
But since many seem to want to keep “score,” I suggest we institute a “One Card” system, whereby when you convert, you swipe out on your way out, and swipe in at your next stop. A centrally maintained database can anonymously track migration, and weigh each for factors such as education, rank, tenure and hereticism (acknowledging of course that anyone who leaves a faith must have been “heretical” to that faith all along).
How about it guys? Do I get the contract?
How can God be "disappointed" if, in fact, he knew exactly what they would do and exactly when they would do it?
God caused Adam and Eve. He placed them in the garden knowing they would sin. He allowed the serpent to tempt Eve, knowing that Eve would succumb to the temptation. He made Eve as a helpmate for Adam, knowing full well that she would convince him to eat of the forbidden fruit. God knew from the beginning that he would have to send his Son to be crucified to atone for that sin.
There is nothing that happens that is not ordained by God. God knew that Jesus would have to die on the cross if he placed Adam and Eve in the garden. He placed Adam and Eve in the Garden. Therefore since God put everything in motion and knew exactly what would happen, how can you claim that God is not a cause? He is the first cause of all things. His plan includes both mercy and judgment.
So was God ignorant of the consequences of placing Adam & Eve in the Garden? Or was it all part of his plan?
Calvin made someone Catholic? That's more logical than you'd think - as Calvin represents perhaps the most illogical of the "way out there" protestant "theologies."
Tell me, Dr Eckleberg, why would anyone need to go to church, atone for their sins or accept Christ if this "predestination" garbage were actually valid?
If God causes EVERTHING as ears_to_hear claims, how can God readonably hold a man accountable for uis sins if God is the author of those sins.
If that is the case, Flip Wilson was wrong. The Devil didn’t make him do it; God did.
Doesn’t it make more sense to simply say that God knew in advance what men would do and designed His plan of Salvation taking that knowledge into account?
Are you ever tempted to sin and then make a decision whether to sin or not?
That is the illogical nature of Calvinism, right there. They can’t answer that question. They’ll attempt to dodge it or, more likely, attack other faiths in a weak attempt to defend their own.
I’ve been wrong. Calvinism is not cultish. Rather, it’s lazy and somewhat clueless.
I disagree with the Catholic Church on a lot of things, vut I don’t think they believe God causes men to sin. I never knew there was a chuch that says God caused Adam and Eve to sin; except fpr maybe the Mormon church.
Fair enough. I am a Catholic (and proudly so), but I hold no grudge for those with whom we have only slight differences.
Calvinism, though...that’s just a lazy “theology.”
You might disagree with us less if you understood the following:
1. We do not worship Mary. We only ask her to intercede on our behalf.
2. Our basis for papal infallability is Biblical. It’s an interpretation, but it is based on Scripture.
3. Our basis for the Eucharist is also Biblical, but IMO, it’s not at all an interpretation. It’s a hard, cold fact straight from Christ Himself.
I’d like to see the scriptural support for those claims.
You tell me.
If God knew in advance, then he must have planned for these sins to happen. The fact is that God knew before he created Adam, that Adam would sin in the garden. God created him in such a way that he was DESTINED to sin. He created you knowing that you would sin. You too were DESTINED to sin, if for no other reason than that God foresaw your sin and created you anyway.
You can't escape predestination. Your eternal destiny was sealed before you took your first breath.
If this was true, a concious decision to sin has no impact on my salvation. If what you claim is true there is no room for free will.
Oh but it does. If you refuse to repent and refuse to turn to Christ, then you are without excuse.
Your free will does not get in the way of your eternal destiny. It confirms it.
Can anyone, by the exercise of their own free will apart from the compelling influence of the Holy Spirit, turn to Christ, repent and have saving faith in Christ?
I accepted Christ as my personal Savior many years ago and my salvation is secure. I remember making a decision to accept Christ as my Savior at that time. I find arguments about the mechanism of how one comes to the point of accepting Christ as pretty worthless. christians should simply spead the Gospel and not waste time constructing elaborate - and speculative - explanations as to how it comes about.
However, this does not imply that God caused Adam to sin. To conclude so would involve the usual appeal to the modal fallacy.
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