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motu proprio translation error
Off the Record ^ | July 7, 2007 | Diogenes

Posted on 07/08/2007 3:08:21 PM PDT by NYer

The US bishops' translation of Summorum Pontificum, which is appearing everywhere on the internet, contains what appears to be a cut-and-paste error:

Article 1 of the motu proprio, as rendered in that translation, reads:

"These two expressions of the law of prayer (lex orandi) of the Church in no way lead to a division in the law of prayer (lex orandi) of the Church, for they are two uses of the one Roman Rite."

It should read:

These two expressions of the law of prayer (lex orandi) of the Church in no way lead to a division in the law of belief (lex credendi) of the Church, for they are two uses of the one Roman Rite." [emphasis added]


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; latinmass; motuproprio; tlm; tridentine; usccb

1 posted on 07/08/2007 3:08:22 PM PDT by NYer
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In case you have been reading the erroneous version.


2 posted on 07/08/2007 3:09:06 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

How do you interpret this difference? It seems to me a more profound statement in the corrected version.


3 posted on 07/08/2007 3:14:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

It is, but I think it was just carelessness and not malice aforethought. Of course, with the bishops, you never know...

I found a couple of tiny errors. At one point, they said the purpose was to “unable” people to find unity; they obviously meant “enable.” I checked in the Latin version and then in the Spanish translation, and both of them had the equivalent of “enable.” Since it was also ungrammatical and had a left-over preposition (”for”), it looked to me like somebody had gone to replace a phrase (such as “make it possible for” with “enable”) and then either typed the wrong word or had an unfortunate accident with the spell checker, which may have suggested “unable” as a correction for a typo in “enable.” And the tired translator accepted it...

I’m a translator, and I do things like this all the time. Fortunately, what I translate is not as important as Papal documents, though!


4 posted on 07/08/2007 3:36:32 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
I agree. I would be most surprised to hear that this was anything but accidental.
5 posted on 07/08/2007 3:44:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: livius
I’m a translator, and I do things like this all the time.

Well ... you've definitely piqued my interest. Speaking 2 foreign languages, this a career path I neerly pursued. What do you translate, if you don't mind my asking, and for whom?

6 posted on 07/08/2007 4:27:22 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: trisham

A rigorously correct translation:

law of praying/law of believing (the -undum form of the verb is the gerund).


7 posted on 07/08/2007 7:26:20 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: NYer

It sounds like they have a very professional operation going on there...


8 posted on 07/08/2007 7:53:51 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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I translate Spanish, Portuguese and Italian> English.

I work for agencies and I specialize in legal translation, ranging from pleadings to testimony. I do mostly civil cases involving corporations, and my work comes primarily from Spain and a couple of Latin American countries, although I also get stuff from Brazil and Portugal and Portuguese-speaking African countries. I actually try to avoid Italian, because I don’t have time to follow the Italian press and stay current on things there. I charge more for Italian, hoping not to get jobs in it...

I’m not an intepreter, because in the US, Spanish and PT intepreters do mostly criminal cases, particularly drugs, and my lexicon doesn’t include that!


9 posted on 07/08/2007 8:23:36 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

bumpus ad summum


10 posted on 07/19/2007 1:29:29 AM PDT by Dajjal
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