Posted on 11/24/2007 6:17:27 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02
A Slice alert today as the Christian Post reports this morning that Rick Warren, Leith Anderson, the head of the National Association of Evangelicals, Bill Hybels and other evangelicals have signed a document urging Muslims to “love God” together with them and to find peace between the two religions. This is where it has all been heading, folks. You’ve been warned for a long time now that this new spirituality is coming. Here’s a quote from the article:
Christian leaders urged for an interfaith dialogue that moves beyond “polite” ecumenical talks between selected leaders. Instead, leaders of both faiths should hold dialogues to build relations that will “reshape” the two communities to “genuinely reflect our common love for God and for one another,” the Christian letter stated.“Given the deep fissures in the relations between Christians and Muslims today, the task before us is daunting. And the stakes are great. The future of the world depends on our ability as Christians and Muslims to live together in peace,” the letter added. “If we fail to make every effort to make peace and come together in harmony you correctly remind us that ‘our eternal souls’ are at stake as well.
The letter’s main emphasis is the “absolutely central” commonality between both religions: love of God and love of neighbor.
Other signers of the letter include Miroslav Volf, founder and director of the Yale Center for Faith and Culture; Dr. Martin Accad, academic dean of the Arab Baptist Theological Seminary (Lebanon); Robert E. Cooley, president emeritus of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary; Harvey Cox, Hollis professor of Divinity at Harvard Divinity School; and Bill Hybels, founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church.
The letter includes an “apology” to the Muslims for various wrongs that Christians have done them.
In the Christian response, Muslims have been asked to forgive Christians for their past sins – such as the Crusades and excesses of the “war on terrors” – as taught by Jesus Christ who said to “First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out your neighbor’s eye” (Matthew 7:5).
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Exactly. There is very little “common ground” to be found between true Christians and Muslims. I suppose we both oppose abortion and pornography, but there’s a whole world of other issues on which we are completely at opposite ends. Spiritually there is no common ground at all.
Watch this. It is long and if you have time you should listen and understand what this Emergent/Purpose Driven movement is all about.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3767464798291138426&q=rick+warren&;
I agree. It is sweeping through our churches and it so dangerous. The church I went to for over 35 years of which I loved is now fallen into that Purpose Driven/Emergent movement and it makes me so sad. We had to leave it behind. So many people we knew were being decieved and don’t realize it. Thankfully I could see right through the BS when the church stopped teaching the Bible and started teaching some other completely different and made up! And people bought into it. We got out and are now still looking for a church to call home.
I’m sorry to hear about your church! So when they stopped preaching from the Bible, what did they preach? Thank God you saw through it and were not deceived! It’s very sad, though. I hope you find a good church soon, or are able to do Bible studies with other believers. :-)
it was all watered down crap. Basically the church has to decided their new thing is to as the church serve in ministry outside of the church by doing things like service projects where they go and help build a house in a poor neighborhood for a homeless mother and kids or something bigger, or smaller like that. But you have to understand that is a wonderful thing and I’m so for that, but that is it. That it all the pastor teaches on every Sunday. It is the same sermon over and over about how we should give our money and time to service till it feels good. He says that is what the great commission is about. I agree that the great commission is about service to others and to love others, but that is all he says it is about. He leaves out that the great commission is to actually tell others about Christ. He says that the only way to tell others about Christ is to serve.
The church no longer speaks about sin, repentance, nor teaches people about how to tell others about Christ. They have exchanged that for a watered down feel good Let’s all go serve together and have peace on earth crap!
My pastor loves Rick Warren and feels how the church can contribute to making a difference is to serve others, not telling people verbally about Christ. There is no Bible teaching.
The funny thing is that they have had to stop a popular children’s ministry in the church because they didn’t have enough volunteers and workers to keep the program going. WHY? Because the pastor is too busy trying to get the church to serve outside of the church, and not teaching the people the Bible, which is what gets people to serve in the first place.
Telling people to serve doesn’t get them to serve, feeding them the word does.
The church isn’t growing and is in massive debt. It will only be a matter of time before it collapses. It is a large church, almost mega church in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area, but the numbers are getting smaller each and every Sunday.
Check on the churches link! I think what you will see is exactly what I’m trying to say. It is no longer a church that teaches how to know Christ and to make Him known, it is a church that teaches only about how to serving and giving. Typical emergent and purpose driven teaching style.
Good book....I am almost finished with reading Truth War and I have Ashamed Of The Gospel next on my coffee table.
I like MacArthur but I was listening last week and he seemed to think or imply that Christians should not wear bikini’s. I found that kind of odd. Does he also think Christian men should wear a shirt when they jump in the pool?
Thank you for your response. Muslims are, in fact, our spiritual enemies. We ought to evangelize them, be kind to them; but assert common cause with them? Never! And the churches represented here ought to hold their pastors to ministers to account.
This article ought to stay bumped!
No person is our "spiritual enemy." That's the whole point of Eph. 6:12 ("For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.")
Our enemies are those who blind the Muslims, making them think that Christianity is a corruption of the truth of Islam.
There are a number of good churches in the Metroplex, and even more that are better than your current church sounds. If you want to freepmail me your current church, or what part of the metroplex would be convenient, and I’ll be happy to come up with a few suggestions that you could try.
I've only watched about 35 minutes of it so far, but it's very good. The speaker makes a lot of sense. He articulates (with scriptural references) much of what I feel when I hear what Warren teaches. The whole "felt needs" and "seeker sensitive" movement is appalling.
I live in Coppell, Texas. The church I was going to was Irving Bible Church. They have blown their chance of being a good church. It all started when they got their new big sanctuary and suddenly the church that made that new sanctuary was no more.
OK. Let me cast about as to what might be a fit for you. Watermark and Bent Tree are the first two to come to mind, although both are a bit east of Coppell, but let me do a little checking first to see what their current status is.
A couple of questions (and again, feel free to take it to FReep mail if you don’t want to spread it on an open forum.
Hard core dispensationalist or more broadly evangelical?
Contemporary, traditional or blended worship?
I am more broadly evangelical and I like more of a contemporary worship.
Watermark is to far for me.
I find it kind of odd that you would find that kind of odd.
bflr
Lots of good comments here.
Rick W: Are you listening???
Rich needs to study the Bible. He missed a few pages.
BTTT
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