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1 posted on 02/21/2008 6:33:25 AM PST by NYer
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Cautionary alert, especially to those with ‘free thinking’ family members and/or Oprah fans.


2 posted on 02/21/2008 6:34:43 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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* “The Atonement is the final lesson he [man] need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation.”17

Absolutely wacky ...

3 posted on 02/21/2008 6:40:57 AM PST by Ken522
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"My salvation comes from me."

Does this mean I have to tithe to myself? (Pssst! Somebody tell the Feds I get to keep 10%.)

5 posted on 02/21/2008 6:57:35 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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It is a far stretch but Okra has the capability and following to be the False Teacher. I’m just saying... no need to meds or tin foil. She is a dangerous person.


6 posted on 02/21/2008 7:00:33 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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"A Course In Miracles" really is the definition of New Age cultism.

It is the classic 70s hocus-pocus book: every copy should come with a pair of bellbottoms and a pitcher of Harvey Wallbangers.

7 posted on 02/21/2008 7:02:58 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Something tells me Oprah won’t get much mileage out of her accomplishments when she’s called to account for the souls she’s led away from the Way, the Truth, and the Life that is Christ.


9 posted on 02/21/2008 7:07:20 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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“The recognition of God is the recognition of yourself.”

Wasn't this Satan's third temptation in the garden?

10 posted on 02/21/2008 7:16:06 AM PST by joebuck
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I am not a regular watcher of her show, but once in awhile I catch bits. After reading the article, she is further proof that someone with so much money and power has learned little about true salvation through Jesus Christ. She looks to the world for answers and obviously has put herself up on the level of a Messiah. Sad indeed, especially for the poor souls who will follow this crap.


11 posted on 02/21/2008 8:17:54 AM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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Satanic.


12 posted on 02/21/2008 8:24:19 AM PST by AliVeritas ( To err is human, to screw up takes Berkeley 's City Council) Hope in God, not man.)
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The author of this article is incorrectly attributed to Bart Lewis. The actual author is Warren Smith.

Warren Smith is a former New Age follower who at one time was deeply involved in the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles. He is the author of these books:

Deceived on Purpose

The Light that was Dark

Reinventing Jesus Christ (2nd edition which is posted online)

13 posted on 02/21/2008 8:48:05 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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a New Age worldview that includes the belief that there is no sin, no evil, no devil, and that God is “in” everyone and everything.

Reminded me of a quote from C.S. Lewis (doesn't everything?), which I spent a while searching for -- I couldn't remember what it was in and finally found it (without source) on the internet:

Perfect love, we know, casteth out fear. But so do several other things--ignorance, alcohol, passion, presumption, and stupidity. It is very desirable that we should all advance to that perfection of love in which we shall fear no longer; but it is very undesirable, until we have reached that stage, that we should allow any inferior agent to cast out our fear.

Anyone remember where the quote is from?

15 posted on 02/21/2008 9:10:37 AM PST by maryz
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She’s thoroughly pagan.


16 posted on 02/21/2008 11:13:27 AM PST by AZhardliner
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“My salvation comes from me.”

That kinda stinks for you.

17 posted on 02/21/2008 1:07:06 PM PST by Claud
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big lie/powerful delusion alert.

it's already in place amongst the pagan "mystics." now it goes mainstream through streetpreachers like oprah and obama.

This is all so predictable as to be boring; if it weren't so excruciating in its effects on everything from ordering a cup of coffee to getting a decent medical diagnosis to grabbing a few minutes of entertainment it would be irrelevant.

but it effects all of us, and the sane suffer worst for the insane, I think.

18 posted on 02/21/2008 2:46:15 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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Articles from EWTN, which include Fr. Benedict Groeschel's opinion:

A Course in Brainwashing

A Course in Miracles

19 posted on 02/21/2008 3:01:23 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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20 posted on 02/21/2008 6:38:48 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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A Course In Miracles

Sounds like B. Hussein Obama's hope/change plan for America, who BTW is endorsed by Oprah.
21 posted on 02/21/2008 7:12:27 PM PST by gpapa (Kill the terrorists, protect the borders, punch the hippies)
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I didn’t quite realize that the ACTUAL MANIFESTATION of end of world prophecies was going to hit me in the face tonight when I opened this thread.

Watch out for Oprah and Obambo to tag team this!

O & O

See the devil eyes?

22 posted on 02/21/2008 7:33:00 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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I have family members immersed in this self-indulgent drivel. Interestingly, they are the least successful in their work and relationships, yet go to a “church” that promotes this ideology. They believe that their affirmations and visualization and whatnot is going to miraculously bring success where hard work and planning fails. And this “church” will charge $300-400 for a weekend workshop in “spirituality.”

Some of us in the family have tried to get them to consider other ideas, but it’s almost impossible to discuss. They are very defensive and closed-minded. I have read all the books mentioned that came out in the 90’s and before, so I feel I am entitled to discuss the ideas. I do see the appeal of this stuff to someone with low self-esteem.

I’m tempted to email this article, but reason does not seem to apply. It’s discouraging, but I guess my best recourse is to pray for them.


24 posted on 02/21/2008 7:48:33 PM PST by baa39 (Help Sgt. Evan Vela! DefendOurTroops.org)
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From EWTN (regarding this topic):

The text of the book "A Course in Miracles" is the product of seven years of trance spirit channeling of a Mrs. Helen Schucman. The spirit that channeled a "new gospel" to Mrs. Schucman claimed to be Jesus Christ. The "spirit" made contact with her to correct errors in Sacred Scripture, and the teachings of the Church.

-snip-

Mrs. Schucman, a Columbia University professor and psychologist, was an acquaintance of Fr. Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R. (seen on EWTN). Fr. Groeschel gave a eulogy at her funeral. Fr. Groeschel wrote (2), "This woman who had written so eloquently that suffering really did not exist spent the last two years of her life in the blackest psychotic depression I have ever witnessed." Fr. Groeschel is a holy, practical, wise, no nonsense priest, and psychologist. During an October 1994 lecture on "Discernment" given at Holy Cross Church, Rumson, N.J., Fr. Groeschel stated that he believed that Helen Shucman's experience with the channeled "spirit" was possibly a true diabolic manifestation.

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Fr. Groeschel is not easily inclined to attribute any experience to the diabolic. The possible diabolic origin in the spirit channeling of Helen Schucman was one exception given by Fr. Groeschel. Fr. Groeschel's suspicions find support in Sacred Scripture. Helen Schucman's "channeled spirit" denies that our Lord Jesus Christ came to the earth in the flesh. An abstract of "the Course" can be written based solely on two lines of the "spirit" channeled writings.

25 posted on 02/22/2008 6:35:58 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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