ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL

Apprising Ministries ^ | January 16, 2008 | Ken Silva

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

ROMAN CATHOLICISM: A DIFFERENT GOSPEL

In their lust for unity the Emergent Church and post-evangelical “Protestants” are right now embracing the Roman Catholic Church as another Christian denomination. But the issue is simple: If, as taught the Church of Rome, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without “the new birth in baptism” then we are now in hopeless contradiction with the Gospel contained in Holy Scripture.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)

Speaking The Truth In Love

Let me make this as clear as I possibly can for the Roman Catholics who may read this work in Christ from Apprising Ministries. I personally am former member of the Church of Rome and care very deeply about those, such as the majority of my own family line, who are trapped in this apostate man-made system of religion known as Roman Catholicism. I also fully realize that what I say may sound “unloving” and possibly even “harsh.” However, there is just nothing that I can do about that. By not telling the Truth we aren’t doing anyone a service.

[Titanites]

NO ONE seems to want to take the literal word of God in all the quotes I have given here today.

Have you also noticed that you've not been included in all their "high fives" for posting Scripture? No thank-you's for that beautiful Scripture for you. Curious, isn't it? Do you suppose it's because it disproves the opinions/interpretations they're desperately grasping on to?

[Salvation]

You solved that much of the problem. So where is the one prayer to Jesus Christ.

Another fact you may not know. The daily prayers said by the priest are also biblical quotes to God the Father.

So, do you see why I say that the Catholic Church is the Church of God the Father?

Our main prayer, the Mass, is all to God the Father, except for the one prayer that is directly to Jesus Christ.

Know you learned something today and will now accuse the Catholic Church of not honoring God the Father, because we do!

[Campion]

That's why the RCC has infant baptism wrong. They believe infant baptism is their stamped ticket into heaven.

Hilarious.

On the one hand, you guys say that we walk around on tenterhooks all day lest we "lose" our salvation, and we can never really be sure if we're going to heaven.

On the other hand, you accuse us of making infant baptism a "stamped ticket into heaven". What, you mean like OSAS Baptists view answering an altar call? That kind of "stamped ticket into heaven"?

So which is it, Dr. E? Do I have a "stamped ticket into heaven," or do I have to worry about my salvation, or do I somehow have to do both at the same time?

And what of your esteemed Reformed colleague, the late (I believe) Dr. Boettner, who wrote in his ridiculous book words to the effect that my survivors will be tormented practically weekly by priests trying to extort Mass stipends to dig my soul out of purgatory?

This despite the "signed ticket into heaven" that you claim I think I have!

It's always a source of great amusement to me when one crowd of people condemns us for being too cold, and another crowd condemns us for being too hot. What is even funnier is when the same crowd condemns us for being both too cold and too hot at the same time!

[al_c]

I am "shocked and chagrined" you'd stoop to a cut & paste article from Catholic Answers.

That lying is gonna get you in trouble, Reg.

I don't claim to know how many years he was there or where he stayed while he was there. For all I know it was Motel 6. If the early church fathers ... who followed closely behind the original 12 ... said he was there, who are we to argue? Just because it's not in the bible are we to deny it?

[al_c]

Don’t you recognize the Eastern Orthodox Church?

Of course. An oversight on my part that has already been discussed. Thanks for your keen eye.

[Quix]

Thanks for the ping.

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

Alamo-Girl,

This post, in particular, gave me cause to rejoice in the salvation of our Lord. Oh how great is His mercy and how great is the love the Father has lavished upon us - that we should be called the sons (and daughters) of God! Therefore, the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. (1 John 3:1)

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

Indeed - nor do Muslims claim to be the ONE TRUE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

I am on Taiwan time and totally out of the loop regarding timely responses :-)

[TheDon]

St. Francis said: “Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.”

Nicely said St. Francis.

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

You and the other RCC watchdogs won’t like it, but this site has a pretty detailed review of early history that shows another perspective of how the Lord of Heaven preserved His church (that body of believers, not a central group gathered under a man). http://www.searchgodsword.org/his/ad/hop/

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

So you have been taught by the RCC. That does not make it so.

[Manfred the Wonder Dawg]

I’m sorry if your pointy head leads you to think so. Rebuking false teaching is not “bashing”. I care not to even bash Muslims - but Islam. I bash false teaching in the Southern Baptist Convention - but not the Southern Baptists. RCC doctrine is largely apostate. I am far from alone in having this perspective - based on what Scripture and history reveals.

[underground]

4 billion people, 2/3 of the world's population, claims to worship the Yahweh. Unfortunately, they have been divided in a hundred thousand sects who all claim to hold monopoly on God's divine truth - based on the teachings of their human leaders.

Some think god follows the model of a pagan moon god, some give him attributes like a pagan sun god. What has this accomplished? I think it is impossible for mortals to fully know God's true nature. It reminds me of the parable of the blind men attempting to observe an elephant.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Just because its on a website, does not make it true. While the Web is great for finding and researching, it also allows for inaccurate data to pass itself as fact.

[RobbyS]

Jesus chose to teach men thru other men. It is they who made his words and deeds knwn to other men; so far as we know, he never wrote a word of the New Testament. His whole ministry was a preparation of these men for their mission. These men in their turn taught other men and this process continues to the present day.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

What his favorite website also claims is that the Gnostic, Manichean Albigensians were Protestants. Not sure that is a claim Manfred actually wants to make, but his vaunted source does.

It also claims St. Ireneaus of Lyon as a Protestant missionary, news to St. Ireneaus.

Reading it, one recognizes not history, but polemic.

[Alamo-Girl]

With respect...and the authority to use your Scripture quotes in the fashion you do comes from...whom? You alone, correct? How do you know you apply and interpret these passages accurately and in the proper context?

You still haven’t addressed my question about the need for demonstrable continuity of authority and doctrine and how it relates to proving or disproving the premise of this article

I do not engage in discussions of genealogies or other such issues and thus will not be answering your questions:

But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. – Titus 3:9

Concerning the Scriptures, the word of God speaks on its own and in power.

For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. - Isaiah 55:10-11

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

Even Nebuchadnezzar (Dan 4:37) and Caiphas (John 11:49-52) were allowed to convey the words of God. Herod, too, and he died horribly for his pride of authorship, i.e. for not giving God the glory. But the word of God was not stumped by Herod, it grew and multiplied.

And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, [saying, It is] the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost. But the word of God grew and multiplied. - Acts 12:21-24

The fruitful conversations are those we Christians have in the Spiritual language.

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. - I Corinthians 2:6-16

To God be the glory!

[Alamo-Girl]

If you do not Know the Spirit then the spirit in the word cannot light up.. You might as well eat the pages for all the good it will do you..

LOLOL! Indeed, for one who does not have the indwelling Spirit - or has quenched Him - the Scriptures are no different than any other ancient manuscript.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!