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Why so few Christians joining fight against The Mark?
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Posted on 03/11/2008 8:32:50 AM PDT by Dada Orwell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MrVup9Dl4U

For over twenty years, "Patriot Pastor" Garrett Lear has strode the halls of New Hampshire's legislature...serving as a voice for his faith and his Revolutionary War ancestors. Today he talks with us about Real ID, the liberty deficit among Christians and his colorful outfit. Pastor Lear's church is in Wakefield, New Hampshire.

What do *you* think? Is Real ID the Mark of the Beast? A precursor to it? A bad thing? A good thing?


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: 666; mob; motb; nh; pastor; realid; rfid
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To: Quix
that those accepting The Mark/worshipping the beast will be eternally

But where is the delineation that RFID, SSNs, RealIDs, whatever, is the mark as described here? How does any of these cross the line of a rejection of Christ? Just because it is some sort of identifier, where in it's make up does it cross the line? Let's use SSNs for example. People swore up and down and had proof in scripture that SSNs were the 'mark of the Beast'.. What in a SSN or having one is a rejection of Christ?

This is all a common logical fallacy. It is saying, The Mark of the beast is a identification mark. RealID is an identification mark. Therefore, RealID is the mark of the Beast. That is flawed logic. It is like saying All grass is green. A frog is green. Therefore a frog is grass.

Every generation, going back two thousand years has had its own interpretation of what the mark is (as well as other end-time prophecies) and all declared that they were right with as much passion and knowledge as those who claim we are in the end times now.

41 posted on 03/11/2008 9:07:18 AM PDT by mnehring (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. - Ayn Rand)
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To: 11bravo wolfhoundf

My heart goes out to you.

Finding a good church is getting increasingly difficult.

I suspect God’s going to overhaul or trash the whole human church system sooner than most think.

God be with you, Bro. I’m without a church currently myself. One grabs what fellowship one can and keep up the Scripture reading and personal worship and prayer.


42 posted on 03/11/2008 9:07:29 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dada Orwell

God was unhappy when King David wanted to count everyone in Israel. I think that when a country(ries) wants to keep track of its people like what was done with David time, could this made God mad?

The Mark of the Beast =

Beast is Satan or a country that Satan is using.

The Mark = Satan using a symbol for counting and shopping. A lot like the marks used on prisoners during the Holocaust.

..Just thinking out loud...


43 posted on 03/11/2008 9:08:08 AM PDT by tmp02
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To: Dada Orwell
What do *you* think? Is Real ID the Mark of the Beast? A precursor to it? A bad thing? A good thing?

No, it's not the mark of the beast. It may help set the stage for acceptance of the mark later on.

44 posted on 03/11/2008 9:08:18 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: RobRoy

Thx.


45 posted on 03/11/2008 9:09:24 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Resolute Conservative
"They also have records of every website you visit and email you send."

That's an awful lot of information for them to record...several thousand gigabytes of information from each person, multiplied by 200 million people actively engaged in Internet use...WHEW! That amount of information would be nigh IMPOSSIBLE to sift through...

46 posted on 03/11/2008 9:09:26 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly (Proud member of the largest 'Hate Group' in the USA...The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy")
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To: Quix

You are correct here. Direct tv knows nothing unless you got the phoneline plugged in. Even then they only send updates and transmit back purchased info. (on demand)


47 posted on 03/11/2008 9:10:08 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Let Freedom Ping List - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Join it.)
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To: VRWCmember
No, it's not the mark of the beast. It may help set the stage for acceptance of the mark later on.

So should we be teaching people to fear 'marks' or should we be teaching people to never reject God? I think our priority and focus is in the wrong place.

48 posted on 03/11/2008 9:10:36 AM PDT by mnehring (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. - Ayn Rand)
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To: mnehrling

I think I used pretty common words:

The line in the sand for me is the implant.

The implant will be easy for the powers that be to enforce the Biblical

without the mark it will be IMPOSSIBLE to buy or sell.

Denial is not a beautiful thing.


49 posted on 03/11/2008 9:11:04 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

They’ve been sorting all electronic communications with a massive list of keywords for AT LEAST 37 years that I know of.

Yes, they’ve had acres of computers and massive storage handling such just as long—in several locations globally—including Australia, Belgium . . . . etc.


50 posted on 03/11/2008 9:12:58 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: RobRoy
At least that implies that it is volunary

Social security and income taxes are "voluntary" but what happens if you don't participate in them?

Nothing stays "voluntary" in the government long.

51 posted on 03/11/2008 9:13:10 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: CJ Wolf

Thanks.

Much appreciated.

I understand cable boxes are quite different . . . with ALWAYS ON MICROPHONES transmitting back routinely regardless of whether the TV is on, or not.


52 posted on 03/11/2008 9:13:54 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

They sift it. The NSA listens to cellphones all over the world.

Being overly simple how do you think they know X number of households watched the super bowl or any other show? A door to door survey?

Al new generation cell phones have gps capability and as long as the phone is on they can find you. OnStar is another one.


53 posted on 03/11/2008 9:14:55 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Domandred

INDEED.

And the frog in the bucket strategy has been working well for them for many decades.


54 posted on 03/11/2008 9:15:00 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Most experts I’ve read assert that as long as the battery is IN the phone, they can find you. Phone does NOT need to be on.


55 posted on 03/11/2008 9:15:55 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix

always on microphones? yikes, I’ll have to look into that one.


56 posted on 03/11/2008 9:16:23 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Let Freedom Ping List - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Ron Paul - Join it.)
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To: Chris DeWeese
REAL ID is either the mark or another step in that direction because it is a conduit to replacing God with the government.

My driver's license will replace God? Can you go over that part again? I missed something.

57 posted on 03/11/2008 9:18:21 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Dada Orwell

The Bible tells you to resist as an individual. You will not stop its use as you can not stop the NWO.


58 posted on 03/11/2008 9:18:33 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am the watchman on the tower sounding the alarm.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I for one will never be marked nor will my “at home” children.

I don’t think we will have a choice. Seriously they will do it little by little and make it so difficult to live “without” whatever they use to keep an eye on you. For example, cell phones would be the best way to get information right now. All they have to do is add a little additional techology and they will have your every move known. Another is the car which is almost already “big brother” detected. I just believe that the mark may come in increments. We already do all our banking by a bank card. What next? A little dime size chip that goes under the skin. The populus will find out that you need this to buy anything. I know the military would make it mandatory. lol.


59 posted on 03/11/2008 9:20:13 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: mnehrling

Hey! Maybe that thing I just clicked on with my index finger of my right hand is the Mark of the Beast.


60 posted on 03/11/2008 9:22:28 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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