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What do Mormons believe?
none ^ | 05-27-08 | myself

Posted on 05/27/2008 10:29:48 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg

Reading all of these threads about Mormonism, I am utterly confused about what Mormonism is, exactly. What is all of this stuff about Jews coming to America in 600 BC? What is the Book of Abraham and why is Abraham writing in Egyptian Hieroglyphs? What does the book of Mormon? What is the storyline of it?

I am confused as to what all of the Mormon writings are about, and how it is all put together theologically.

Please explain.


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1 posted on 05/27/2008 10:29:49 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg
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To: ChurtleDawg

Look it up in the Dictionary.


2 posted on 05/27/2008 10:31:37 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: mallardx

I know Mormons are followers of Joseph Smith who believe they have “restored” the Christianity of the New Testament, but I am trying to learn what exactly is in the book of Mormon.


3 posted on 05/27/2008 10:33:05 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: ChurtleDawg

I’m not a Mormon, but I find in all questions like this, it is good to go to the source:

http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/the-restoration-of-truth/god-is-your-loving-heavenly-father


5 posted on 05/27/2008 10:34:56 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: ChurtleDawg
Wikipedia: Mormonism
6 posted on 05/27/2008 10:39:25 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: ChurtleDawg
Here is a decent site. exmormon.org
7 posted on 05/27/2008 10:40:06 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: ChurtleDawg
This is another good source. It's an anti-mormon site run by some former Mormons who converted to Christianity. See the section labeled "Book of Mormon"

Utah Lighthouse Ministry

8 posted on 05/27/2008 10:40:22 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ChurtleDawg

Well from what I hear/read they do seem to keep some of their odder teachings quiet, such as the special undergarments the ministers have to wear in the temple and whatnot, (not sure of specifics there). There are lots of ‘secrets’ that you don’t hear about much until some higher up defects and spills the beans. Whereupon he is immediatly castigated as an untrustworthy source making up stories.

Essentially Mormonism is a form of classic Aryanism (not Nazism, don’t confuse the two) meaning Jesus was an exalted man and men can become gods like him if they live right.

God lives on some distant planet making spirit babies with his wife to impart into human babies here. They have taught in the past that dark skinned people are that way because they are those that sided with Lucifer (who they teach is the brother of Jesus).

Most of these things will take some research for you to understand why their teachings differ from Reformation Christianity (salvation by grace alone through faith alone for the Glory of God alone — the five solas ) and absorb it all. You can start by going to the LDS website and reading for yourself. I find that any church that holds anything up as equal in authority to the Word of God (inerrant in its original manuscripts, a good translation of which is the NASB but many are getting farther and farther from a literal translation - Eugene Peterson’s The Message is a ridiculous NONparaphrase for example) is not worth your time. When people can hold up extrabiblical revelation as something equal to Scripture as a guide for doctrine and its application, they naturally go farther and farther from the truth. It’s human nature. We have enough subjectivism to deal with when we all agree that only the Bible is authoritative, inerrant, and sufficient for all teaching. (that doesn’t mean you don’t read other things of course)


9 posted on 05/27/2008 10:40:52 AM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: ChurtleDawg

Here’s the introduction page of the Book of Mormon itself that explains what it is.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/introduction


10 posted on 05/27/2008 10:45:38 AM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: ChurtleDawg

http://www.mazeministry.com/


11 posted on 05/27/2008 10:48:55 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: ChurtleDawg
I know Mormons are followers of Joseph Smith who believe they have “restored” the Christianity of the New Testament,

That would describe just about every Protestant sect.

12 posted on 05/27/2008 10:48:59 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Terriergal

Unless of course that one believes that the heavens are not closed, and that God indeed does speak to man, like in times of old, and that all holy scripture is just that, the words given by God to His prophets.

In this day and age, prior to the second coming of Christ, I am grateful that God does have our best interests in mind to prepare us for the great and terrible day of the Lord. I of course am LDS, and put my trust in God, for we are all in His hands, no matter what our faith.

Cheers


13 posted on 05/27/2008 10:49:18 AM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: sevenbak

Hebrews 1:1-2

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;


14 posted on 05/27/2008 10:52:21 AM PDT by jkl1122
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To: ChurtleDawg
I am confused as to what all of the Mormon writings are about, and how it is all put together theologically.

"Well I had the right idea with these bastards all along. I get no respect, I get no respect at all..."

15 posted on 05/27/2008 10:52:57 AM PDT by GOP_Raider (DU: Standing athwart history yelling "$#@$# you mother$#@$#er!")
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To: jkl1122
Considering Paul himself (and others) had his vision and wrote down the words of God, after Christ has been resurrected and ascended, tells me that Jesus intended His words through his apostles and prophets to continue.

That is the message of the LDS Church, that His ways are the same, and the need for prophets and apostles are the same. The reasons are clear as well. Look at the division of modern Christendom, look at how many beliefs and creeds and different doctrines exist.

Here's why it's important to us:

Ephesians 4:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 posted on 05/27/2008 11:03:35 AM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: ChurtleDawg

INTREP


17 posted on 05/27/2008 11:03:55 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: curiosity

except for the Joesph Smith thing, the special underwear thing, Jesus brother of Satan thing, grace by faith alone thing, men are gods also thing, etc...

Yeah same as peas and carrots.


18 posted on 05/27/2008 11:04:19 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: ChurtleDawg

MORMONISM vs. CHRISTIANITY


MORMON THEOLOGY CHRISTIAN RESPONSE
The Church has 4 Standard Works that are authoritative:  The Bible (in so far as it is translated correctly), the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price.  Speeches and writings of the current president of the church are also authoritative.  The Bible is far below the other standard Works because it is full of errors (wherever it disagrees with Mormon doctrine).
bullet The only authoritative scriptures given by God are the 39 books of the Old Testament and the New Testament of the Bible.  God promised to preserve his word and to suggest that the Bible was mistranslated and corrupted would be to call God a liar.  If God were to give additional revelations they would be consistent with any prior revelations thus eliminating Mormon writings, since they stand in direct opposition to the divine revelation that has already been given in the Bible.

One God

There are many Gods. Brigham Young-Journal of Discourses 7:333 "How many Gods there are, I do not know.  But there never was a time when there were not Gods.
bullet There is only one God.  (Dt 6:4; 33:26-27; Isa 43:10; 45:5; 46:9; 1Ti 2:5)
The Nature of God
God the Father is an exalted man (a man who has progressed to godhood) with a body of flesh and bones. 

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1973 ed., p. 346 - "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man...I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in a form-like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man."

D & C 130:22  "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also."

bullet The Bible is most explicit in stating that God is not a man (Nu 23:19; 1Sa 15:29; Hos 11:9).  God the Father, the eternal God is Spirit (Isa 55:8-9; 6:1-5; 57:15; Pss 90:2; 113:5-6; 123:1; Jn 4:24: 8:23)  Jesus said that a spirit does not have flesh and bones (Lk 24:39)
 
God the Father became a God after learning truth, aggressively pursuing godhood, and being obedient to the laws of the gospel.
bullet God the Father has always existed as such (Dt 33:27; Isa 43:10; 44:6; 45:5, 21; 46:9; Mal 3:6; 1Co 8:4; 1Ti 2:5; Rev 1:8; 21:6; 22:13). 

 

bullet As Psalms 90:2 and 93:2 state, God has been God "from eternity to eternity."
 
God the Father has a wife, through whom he procreates spirit children.

"Implicit in the Christian verity that all men are the spirit children of an Eternal Father is the usually unspoken truth that they are also the offspring of an Eternal Mother.  An exalted and glorified Man of Holiness (Moses 6:57) could not be a Father unless a Woman of like glory, perfection, and holiness was associated with him as a Mother" (Mormon Doctrine, 1977 ed., p. 516)

bullet The Godhead determined to make man in their image, not to procreate spirit children (Ge 1:26).  Nowhere does Scripture even hint at the existence of an Eternal Mother.
 
God is not a uniquely eternal being.  All spirit is self-existent matter and is eternal (without beginning or end).  Such "matter (called intelligences) sometimes becomes organized into a spirit being through birth to celestial parents.  Then that spirit is born through human parents on earth.  Like all people, God took this course and eventually reached Godhood.

God would stop being God if intelligences stopped supporting him as God.

(D&C 93:29, 33; Abraham 3:18-23; Mormon Doctrine, 1977 ed. p. 751)

bullet God is not God unless He is all-powerful, all knowing, absolutely in charge.  If God exists only as God because of support given from other intelligent forms, He is not God at all (Isa 44:6; Ro 3:4; Rev 1:8; 21:6; 22:13)

 

bullet God is unchangingly omnipotent, and no purpose of His can be thwarted.  He is not overruled by anyone (Ge 17:1; Job 36:22-23; 42:2; Isa 14:26-27; 40:13-14; Jer 32:27; Mt 19:26; Lk 1:37; Ac 17:24-25; Rev 19:6)
Man and Sin
Man was also in the beginning with God.  Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be"  (D&C 93:29)

Life, intelligence, mind, the 'light of truth' , or whatever name one gives to the center of the personality of man, is an uncreated, eternally existent, indestructible entity...In the first stage, man was an eternally existent being termed an intelligence...The next realm where man dwelt was the spirit world....eternally-existing intelligences were clothed with spirit bodies...numerous sons and daughters were begotten and born of heavenly parents into that eternal family in the spirit world" (The Gospel Through the ages, pp.126-127)

bullet Man is a finite being, not an eternal one.  The first man Adam was created at a specific point in time (Ge 1:26-27; 2:7; 1Co 15:45-49).  Man did not exist in the beginning when God was creating the universe, for if he had, God's question to Job would have made no sense (Job 38:4).  Man was created lower than the angels, so that David wondered why God is even mindful of him (Ps 8:3-5; 144:3).  Not a single verse in the Bible suggests that God has a wife, but Isaiah 44:24 explicitly says that the Lord made all things by Himself.  Moreover, several passages in Isaiah indicate that there is only one God and there is none beside Him (44:8; 45:6) or like Him (46:9).
 
"...these spirit children were organized, possessing divine, eternal, and godlike attributes, inherited from their Heavenly Father and Mother.  There in the spirit world they were reared to maturity, becoming grown spirit men and women prior to coming upon this earth" (The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 127).

"Jesus is man's spiritual brother.  We dwelt with Him in the spirit world as members of that large society of eternal intelligences, which included our Heavenly Parents and all the personages who have become mortal beings upon this earth or who ever shall come here to dwell...Jesus was the 'firstborn,' and so He is our eldest brother" (Ibid., p.21)

bullet Jesus was and is Almighty God from everlasting to everlasting.  He is the creator of all that exists and is "firstborn" over all creation in the sense that He is the preeminent originator of life and the universe (Mic 5:2; Ps 90:2; Jn 1:1-3; Ac 3:14-15; Col 1:16-17; Heb 1:2).  This meaning for the word "firstborn" can be understood by comparing Genesis 41:51-52, which states that Manasseh was Joseph's "firstborn" son while Ephraim was the second, with Jeremiah 31:9, where God calls Ephraim the "firstborn."  Obviously, "firstborn" does not always mean the one literally born first.
 
Death and sin came through the fall of Adam and Eve.  But their deed was not actually a "sin."  It was really a blessing because it enabled man to continue progressing on toward eternal life.  "They (the Christian world) have been long taught that Adam and Eve were great transgressors...We, the children of Adam....should rejoice with them, that through their fall and the atonement of Jesus Christ, the way of eternal life has been opened up to us" (Articles of Faith, p. 476)
bullet Rejoicing is hardly the proper response to Adam's sin.  Because of that sin, both Adam and Eve died spiritually and their physical bodies began to deteriorate.  Eve was given pain and sorrow in child-bearing, Adam was required to work and sweat in order to eat, the entire creation was cursed, they were thrown out of the Garden forever, and the entire human race was destined to be born dead in sins and children of god's wrath by nature.  To rejoice in the fall of man is to embrace Satan's lie.  It was Satan who deceived Eve by convincing her that sin was good and would bring her knowledge and reward.  (Ge 3:16-24; Ro 3:23; 5:12-15, 17-19; 8:19-22 Eph 2:1-5; 1Jn 3:4)
The Doctrine of Salvation
Christ's death on the cross (the atonement) canceled the penalty of death imposed on ALL men through Adam's sin, thereby ensuring that all men would be redeemed - resurrected and given immortality (the reuniting of spirit with body)-as a gift.

"If there had been no atonement, temporal death would have remained forever, and there never would have remained forever, and there never would have been a resurrection.  The body would have remained forever in the grave" (Mormon Doctrine, 1977 ed., p.63)

"Redemption from death, through the sufferings of Christ, is for all men, both the righteous and the wicked" (Ibid., p. 65)

"Immortality is a free gift which comes by grace alone without works on man's part" (Ibid., p. 377)

bullet Not everyone is blessed through Christ's crucifixion.  Only those who accept His sacrifice and surrender themselves to Him (Ro 10:9) will receive the benefit of Jesus' death and resurrection, which is forgiveness of sins (Ac 10:43) and salvation (Ro 3:24).  Eternal life "in Christ," and not just simply eternal existence through resurrection, is the gift offered by God to humanity (Ro 6:23).  This gift is obtainable only by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-10).

 

bullet Jesus' death serves to reconcile all believers to God (Ro 5:10).  In dying, Jesus broke down the wall of separation between us and God that was present through man's disobedience to the Law (Eph 2:11-22)

19 posted on 05/27/2008 11:05:39 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: curiosity

Yeah, but Protestants essentially affirm many of the same basic teachings as the older Catholic and Orthodox Churches (ie...The Holy Trinity)

Mormonism has stuff about Jewish Indians, the planet Kolob and brass plates. I don’t understand what the story is with it.


20 posted on 05/27/2008 11:06:21 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: samtheman

I know all of that stuff. I want specifics of what exactly Joseph Smith said and taught


21 posted on 05/27/2008 11:08:07 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: ChurtleDawg
Here is the explanation, and from an LDS perspective. There are plenty of non-LDS sources out there as well, and FReepers have posted those links on this very thread.

It's here if you want to read it.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/jstestimony

22 posted on 05/27/2008 11:11:08 AM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: ChurtleDawg

Not Jewish indians. The peopling of the Americas, as taught by the LDS, were by those of the tribe of Ephraim and Menassah. Jews are from the tribe of Judah.

The brass plates were obtained in Jerusalem, and contained the writings from Adam to the time of the Prophet Jeremiah, all OT prophets. It is these plated that the people had to keep their faith, language, and Law of Moses intact. The plates that were given to Joseph Smith were patterned after the brass plates, and similarly contained the words of God as revealed to these ancient prophets and peoples.

Here is more information on the Brass Plates, not to be confused with the Gold Plates. The brass plates were of a much more ancient date.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/b/38


23 posted on 05/27/2008 11:19:16 AM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: ChurtleDawg

For a light reading version of the Book of Mormon, I’d recommend a “A Child’s Story of the Book of Mormon”, by Deta Neeley. It’s out of print but used copies of just about any book are available at http://used.addall.com/ If you decide to buy it, be sure to get the “4 volumes in 1” version, as the earlier editions were printed in 4 separate volumes. It’s a heck of a lot easier to read than the real thing, but sticks to the original story line quite closely.

No thinking person can really believe that the Book of Abraham was literally translated, given what’s known about the source papyri. Some LDS believe that it was “inspired” in some way connected to the papyri, rather than translated.


24 posted on 05/27/2008 11:19:23 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: ChurtleDawg

The book of Mormon was delivered to Joseph Smith one day by an “angel of light” after Smith had been looking into his devining device or sometimes thereabouts.

If you’re a guy, Churtle Dawg, and have a wife - tell her to be on the lookout for the pairs of young male Mormon missionaries who come around to women’s houses while their husbands are busy being productive and proselytize them. You see, every extra woman the Mormon men can get into the Mormon church whose stubborn husbands won’t also come in, the Mormon men get to “have” those extra women in their polygamous harems into eternity, where they will be gods, and the women will have the honor of being barefoot and pregnant endlessly for all eternity. (Sound familiar? Think I’m lying? Do some deep research. I’ve just put it in digest form to save you the trouble, but feel free.)

I turned them down one summer well over thirty years ago.


25 posted on 05/27/2008 11:22:12 AM PDT by Twinkie (TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT !!!)
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To: Resolute Conservative; ChurtleDawg
Don't get me wrong. I understand that Protestantism is fundamentally different from Mormonism.

I was just pointing out that they share one thing: the claim that they are restoring Christianity to what it was before the "evil" Catholic Church corrupted it.

26 posted on 05/27/2008 11:25:04 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Mmm...


27 posted on 05/27/2008 11:26:19 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: ChurtleDawg
Much of the Book of Mormon has long rambling sentences and frequent “It came to pass” phrases that would be difficult to believe that someone etching on gold plates would take the time to record in such a rambling manner:

Example:: And now it came to pass that according to our record, and we know our record, and we know our record to be true, for behold, it was a just man who did keep the record—for he truly did many miracles in the name of Jesus; and there was not any man who could do a miracle in the name of Jesus save he were cleansed every whit from his iniquity—And now it came to pass, if there was no mistake made by this man in the reckoning of our time, the thirty and third year had passed away; And the people began to look with great earnestness for the sign which had been given by the prophet Samuel, the Lamanite, yea, for the time that there should be darkness for the space of three days over the face of the land. (3 Nephi 8:1-3)

As the Tanners point out: http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no107.htm

One could more easily imagine such long, rambling descriptions coming from someone spontaneously dictating to a scribe (as Joseph purportedly did) than from someone painstakingly engraving each word of a long historical record. Much of the book has the same long, rambling type of narrative one would expect from one author. Those instances of differences could be accounted for by the fact the book plagiarizes extensively from the various authors of the books of the Bible. Joseph copied sections from Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Paul's letters, etc. For example, in Galatians 5:1 Paul wrote "stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free." This same phrase appears in the Book of Mormon, prior to the time of Christ. Alma 58:40 reads "stand fast in that liberty wherewith God has made them free."..Instead of being a proof of divine inspiration, this is evidence that the book is a modern work. The Old Testament has no mention of Jesus Christ by name, or the Christian concept of baptism. Yet these are an integral part of the Nephite religion during the period before Christ. For instance, in approximately 550 B.C. God instructs the Nephites "repent ye, and be baptized in the name of my Beloved Son" (2 Nephi 31:11).

Also, the Book of Mormon repeatedly borrows phrases from the New Testament (King James Version). The problem is that these are found throughout the Book of Mormon prior to Christ's birth and prior to the writing of the New Testament.

Keep in mind that the apostle Paul’s letters were not written in King James English, nor was that apostle even around during Christ’s 33 years on earth.

The Tanners continue:

Compare the following Book of Mormon passage with the Bible:

Mosiah 5:15 [about 121 B.C.] : Therefore, I would that ye should be steadfast and immovable, always abounding in good works, that Christ, the Lord God Omnipotent, may seal you his, . . .

1 Corinthians 15: 58: Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Book of Mormon Absurdities

Ether 2:16-21; Ether 5; Ether 6:

Characters: Jared & his brother w/extended families plus flocks & herds & various other beasts or animals plus “all manner of food” for these families & animals.

Action: Eight tree-length barges sailing from the Middle East to America….

Length of trip: 344 days

Barge Ventilation Issues that Jared brought to the attention of the Mormon god::

.Behold, thou shalt make a hole in the top, and also in the bottom; and when thou shalt suffer for air thou shalt unstop the hole and receive air. And if it be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole, that ye may not perish in the flood (Ether 2:20).

(Now why would anyone think that unstopping a hole in the bottom of a barge would lead to perishing in the flood…I cannot imagine why? And if there’s water there that would lead to perishing in the flood, where’s the oxygen to be found from that hole?)

Jared’s brother complained that there was no lighting inside the barges. The Lord instructed him that they couldn't have "windows, for they will be dashed in pieces" (Ether 2:23). Remember, this supposedly took place thousands of years ago before glass windows, so how would Jared & his brother even know what a “window” was? That didn’t stop inventor Jared’s brother, who instructed his god to touch 16 stones in order to "molten out of a rock" so that they would be "even as transparent glass" & hence, “light” (Ether 3:1-2).

The account of the decapitation of Shiz (Ether 15:29-31) is equally unbelievable. Supposedly the Jaredite civilization came to an end with a terrible battle involving millions of people at the hill Ramah. The Nephites and Lamanites would later choose the very same location for their last battle but named the hill Cumorah The last two opponents were Shiz and Coriantumr. After Coriantumr beheaded Shiz, "Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died." Did his head struggle for breath or his body? Either situation is impossible. http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no107.htm

Theologically, the Book of Mormon departs from the historic Christian faith in passages like 2 Nephi 25:23, where it says you "are saved by grace, after all you can do."

Surprisingly, the Book of Mormon--being written really before the Mormon church was organized (the BoM was its impetus) departs from standard Mormon doctrine in the following ways:

No 3 degrees of glory in the afterlife
Hell is eternal, not temporary
No pre-existent spirits
No baptism for the dead practice that the LDS came later & "restored"
No god-who-was-once-a-man
No eternal progression or exaltation of men-becoming-gods
No "council of gods"
No polygamy...in fact it's called an "abomination" in the book of Jacob
No temple rituals like what you see in the Mormon church today
Jesus is actually prayed to directly multiple times in 3 Nephi 19...whereas Mormons are told now NOT to pray directly to Jesus...just to pray to Heavenly Father "in Jesus' name"
Jesus is actually worshipped in the Book of Mormon...today, some Mormons worship Jesus; others don't. [Those who want to be known as "monotheists" say they worship only One God]

28 posted on 05/27/2008 11:27:27 AM PDT by Colofornian (As the fLDS is now, the LDS once was. As the fLDS is now, the LDS will become)
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To: ChurtleDawg

I believe that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior and that He is the Savior of the whole world. I am a Mormon.


29 posted on 05/27/2008 11:28:03 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Twinkie
;-)

Wow, I'm not sure my wife would appreciate me having such a Harem. Where do we keep all these extra women we steal while their husbands are at work?

Do tell me, I'm dying to know where I can find em. They're certainly not in my congregation, not in my neighborhood.

Wait, I think they all must have been “reconverted” and gone to live in Texas and the FLDS sects.

Thanks for the chuckle.

30 posted on 05/27/2008 11:28:17 AM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: Twinkie

“the Mormon men get to “have” those extra women in their polygamous harems into eternity”

Funny. Everytime they have come to my house, they insisted on speaking to me. Hmmmmm.....


31 posted on 05/27/2008 11:28:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ChurtleDawg

Want to see a good and honest portrayl of the start of the mormon church? What the South Park episode “all about mormons.”


32 posted on 05/27/2008 11:32:16 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: ChurtleDawg
So you know it all, you just want to know exactly what Joseph Smith said, do you?

You're not here to try to re-fight the Romney wars of a few months back, are you?

I'm suspicious. There's about 18 billion tons of stuff on Mormonism around.

Got a library? An internet connection? A credit card?

Here's amazon.

33 posted on 05/27/2008 11:37:45 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: ChurtleDawg
I am trying to learn what exactly is in the book of Mormon.

I imagine getting a copy would not be difficult.

34 posted on 05/27/2008 11:39:50 AM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you freep.)
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To: ChurtleDawg

I find your post to be potentially disingenuous. I’ve seen you on the past few Mormon related threads joining the regular Mormon carpet bombers in their insecurities. Hopefully you’re not feigning ignorance in Mormon belief hoping to prime the pump for more bashing. Hope I’m wrong.


35 posted on 05/27/2008 11:43:16 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: ChurtleDawg

Cliffs notes. Joseph Smith was a sex crazed (with a thing for young girls), convicted con man who translated gold plates by putting a rock in his hat and putting his face into the hat, thus being able to translate the plates.


36 posted on 05/27/2008 11:43:34 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

This non mormon has no religious insecurities. But I have no problem pointing out the gigantic and gaping falsehoods of Joseph Smith and the mormon faith, and the outrights cons and lies perpetuated by Smith and the church.


37 posted on 05/27/2008 11:47:52 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: ChurtleDawg

Step 1: Acquire a copy of the Book of Mormon
Step 2: Start reading


38 posted on 05/27/2008 11:50:44 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Terriergal
"In this day and age, prior to the second coming of Christ, I am grateful that God does have our best interests in mind to prepare us for the great and terrible day of the Lord. I of course am LDS, and put my trust in God ..." sevenbak
The problem with that wording is the stealthy implication that if you discard mormonism for the heresies in it then you are portraying you believe God does not have our best interests in mind prior to that 'terrible day of the Lord' to come. Mormonism is about 'entrapment', that's why they stress 'milk before meat', withholding the astonishing heresies in their'scriptures and beliefs' until you are swept up in their 'process theology of salvation AFTER all thast you can do to earn the gift'.
39 posted on 05/27/2008 11:53:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ChurtleDawg

http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/exhibit#Tony_more_for_me


40 posted on 05/27/2008 11:56:38 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Phantom Lord; ChurtleDawg
This non mormon has no religious insecurities. But I have no problem pointing out the gigantic and gaping falsehoods of Joseph Smith and the mormon faith, and the outrights cons and lies perpetuated by Smith and the church

Its your opinion that Mormonism has gigantic and gaping falsehoods. Expressing your opinion is what FR is all about. But for ChurtleDawg to come on and alledgedly pretend he has no idea what Mormonism is all about appears to be a strategic manuever to get some additional bashing in. This disingenuous tactic is typical of carpet bombers on Mormon threads.

41 posted on 05/27/2008 11:58:50 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Attributing motives is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

42 posted on 05/27/2008 12:00:20 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

using words such as “appear” and “alledgedly” is not making it personal.


43 posted on 05/27/2008 12:01:16 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Religion Moderator

Unless you’re attempting to read my mind. If that’s the case maybe you should suspend yourself for 3 days. :-)


44 posted on 05/27/2008 12:05:07 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

While I expect the Mormon bashing, I am really curious what the actual story in the book of Mormon is. From what I have heard, it sounds very bizarre, but no one explains who the Nephites and the Lamenites are.

Basically, I am trying to discern what actual Mormonism is.


45 posted on 05/27/2008 12:05:56 PM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
You are correct on "appear" but not "allegedly." The former is your opinion but the latter is an accusation, in this case of motive.

On the other post, I would love to suspend myself for three days, I could use a break. LOL!

46 posted on 05/27/2008 12:07:01 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MHGinTN

It is considered good FR form to ping me to a post which quotes what I say.
Especially when you label that post as stealthy, entrapment, etc.


47 posted on 05/27/2008 12:07:09 PM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Its your opinion that Mormonism has gigantic and gaping falsehoods

On many things, yes, it is my opinion, along with that of many others.

On many other things though, it is concrete fact that what Joseph Smith and the mormon church teach is flat out false.

DNA and the Rosetta Stone to name two things that have proven Smith and the Mormon Church wrong on many a thing.

48 posted on 05/27/2008 12:08:44 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Religion Moderator
Nah, just suspend the thread and take a vacation. They reengage it when you get back. ;-)
49 posted on 05/27/2008 12:08:49 PM PDT by sevenbak (Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. - 1 Corinthians 2:5)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Step 1: Acquire a copy of the Book of Mormon
Step 2: Start reading

Recommendation: drink massive amounts of coffee and/or tea during Step 2; you'll need it to stay awake.

50 posted on 05/27/2008 12:09:44 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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