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Presbyterian Church USA Votes to Eliminate Proscriptions of Fornication and Non-Marital Sex
Cor ad cor loquitur ^ | July 9, 2008 | Dave Armstrong

Posted on 07/11/2008 10:21:47 AM PDT by NYer



Bruce Reyes-Chow


"PCUSA" is a "mainline" denomination of 2.3 million members. This is the spirit of the times (zeitgeist): certainly not the Holy Spirit. According to a story from the Catholic News Agency:
San Jose, CA., Jul 8, 2008 / 11:57 pm (CNA).- Reaction continues to the decisions of the 218th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA), which took place between June 21 and June 28. The assembly nullified proscriptions against sexual behavior outside of marriage and called for a vote to delete the church’s constitutional standard requiring fidelity in marriage and chastity in singleness. It also initiated a process that could remove mention of the Bible’s prohibition against homosexuality form the Heidelberg Catechism.

The moves are seen by some as an attempt to clear a path for the eventual ordination of practicing homosexuals to the church offices of deacon, elder, or minister. . . .

The Board of Directors of the Presbyterian Lay Committee decried the decision as a “frontal assault on Biblical Christianity,” saying in a July 8 statement that the General Assembly “disregarded historic Reformed standards, undermined its Constitution and failed to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ with its actions.”

“The PCUSA has jettisoned the solid rock of Biblical authority and morals and is now floundering in the sea of cultural relativity. In desperation, it lays claim to the property of congregations that love the Word of God more than denominational loyalty,” the Presbyterian Lay Committee said. . . .

The General Assembly elected as its General Moderator the 39-year-old Rev. Bruce Reyes-Chow, pastor of Mission Bay Community Church in San Francisco. [Dave: we are joyously informed by a "progressive" that Bruce "gets it" and is, indeed, "the future of the Church" -- Chow's blog will quickly confirm this] As General Moderator, he will represent the denomination and preside over General Assembly business. Rev. Reyes-Chow made known his support for the ordination of homosexuals as ministers, though he has not publicly stated his position on same-sex marriage.

The only public opponent to homosexual ordination and marriage in the moderator's election was the Rev. Bill Teng, a pastor from Heritage Presbyterian Church in Alexandria, Virginia.
One rare encouraging note in all this is a report that "PCUSA lost 46,544 members between 2005 and 2006." The erosion of biblical sexual standards has been an ongoing process, as in so many similar denominations, as can be seen in the appropriate section of the Wikipedia entry. Until this recent vote:
The Book of Order prohibits the ordination of those who are not faithful in marriage or chaste in singleness (G-6.0106b). This paragraph was added in 1997 and is commonly referred to by its pre-ratification designation, "Amendment B" Several attempts have been made to remove this from the Book of Order but no attempt has received both the necessary votes at the General Assembly and approval of enough presbyteries.
Now, PCUSA is obviously up to speed, "relevant," politically-correct, and (at long last!) out of the Dark Ages of puritanical, traditional Christian sexual morality. Progress!

Isn't it interesting how issues of sexuality always seem to be at the forefront of the "official" descent into wholesale immorality of entire denominations? Why would that be, I wonder? Could it possibly be a confirmation of the old saying, "all heresy begins below the belt"?


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: christianity; fauxchristians; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; pcusa; presbyterian; relativism; religion; religiousleft
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1 posted on 07/11/2008 10:21:48 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/11/2008 10:23:03 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

WOW—those Presbyterians—they are HOT TO TROT!!

No gambling, drinking, or dancing, but all the illicit sex you want.

I wonder how many converts they’ll get over this!


3 posted on 07/11/2008 10:25:29 AM PDT by Palladin (Axelrod--the poor man's Karl Rove.)
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To: Palladin
I wonder how many converts they’ll get over this!

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I'm guessing, none. Why would they want to join a church?

4 posted on 07/11/2008 10:28:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Palladin

What the hell good is church anymore. The preachers aren’t going to have any vices to preach against before long. They’re slowly but surely putting themselves out of work. Another sign of the socialist times we live in!!


5 posted on 07/11/2008 10:28:31 AM PDT by cla62
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To: Palladin

What the hell good is church anymore. The preachers aren’t going to have any vices to preach against before long. They’re slowly but surely putting themselves out of work. Another sign of the socialist times we live in!!


6 posted on 07/11/2008 10:28:33 AM PDT by cla62
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To: trisham
I'm guessing, none. Why would they want to join a church?

Because Presby girls are easy (apparently)???

7 posted on 07/11/2008 10:29:57 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Free Lazamataz!! Some shipping and handling charges may apply, some assembly required)
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To: NYer
The assembly nullified proscriptions against sexual behavior outside of marriage and called for a vote to delete the church’s constitutional standard requiring fidelity in marriage and chastity in singleness.

Astounding.

8 posted on 07/11/2008 10:30:42 AM PDT by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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To: NYer

Apostasy alert!

“2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”


9 posted on 07/11/2008 10:31:30 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Palladin

He's a San Franciso Volunteer. Inspiring!

10 posted on 07/11/2008 10:33:06 AM PDT by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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To: NeoCaveman

Maybe, but it doesn’t seem that there’s any shortage of girls/women of easy virtue in our society.


11 posted on 07/11/2008 10:34:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
delete the church’s constitutional standard requiring fidelity in marriage and chastity in singleness

Adds a whole new level of meaning to 'church social'.

I don't know which denomination will be the first to sponsor the charter chapter of "Swingers for Christ", PC USA, Episcopalians*, or United Methodist*.

*apologies to the few faithful who remain in the struggle.

12 posted on 07/11/2008 10:39:29 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

What percentage of Presbyterians are PCUSA?

Do you think there will be a split over this?


13 posted on 07/11/2008 10:40:38 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

Splitting is what we Presbyterians do best. :)

I don’t know about a full split, but I could see more conservative Presbyterian denominations like the OPC and PCA picking up more churches now. If somehow the rank and file of PCUSA can’t crack the hold this liberal Mafia has on their ranks, then leaving, or even crumbling apart like the ECUSA is doing, is their only option.

}:-)4


14 posted on 07/11/2008 10:45:27 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: NYer

Obama volunteer. I’d expect nothing less from PCUSA.

}:-)4


15 posted on 07/11/2008 10:46:01 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Hey, we left the Presby church, or maybe it isn't a church anymore, over their dealings with the Pallies - I'm stunned that even they could go this far.

Where did MY Presbyterian Church go?????

16 posted on 07/11/2008 10:47:04 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: Petronski

I don’t know that much about the PCUSA. Christians within it ought to force a split, as light has no fellowship with darkness.

Ooops - broke my own rule about ignoring your posts. Sorry about that :-)


17 posted on 07/11/2008 10:47:56 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Moose4; Petronski
Oh God I WISH there would be a split - we'd return to a real Presbyterian Church.
18 posted on 07/11/2008 10:48:27 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (It's the Vast Wright Wing Conspiracy - labeling all whites as racist.)
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To: NYer

It would be very difficult to install temple prostitutes without first setting aside the commandments and proscriptions aimed at inculcating self-control in the congregation. And temple prostitutes come in both sexes so their stand on homosexuality follows logically.

At this point it would not surprise me to see statues of Eros, Priapus, Venus and Dionysius start popping up in the places these people attend. It would be more honest to do so than continue as they are.


19 posted on 07/11/2008 10:48:50 AM PDT by scory
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To: NYer

Church of who? Satan?


20 posted on 07/11/2008 10:49:40 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualProsperity
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