The "Lost" Ten Tribes

Things To Come -- A Journal of Biblical Literature | July, 1894 | Editors

[tang-soo]

You’re right — we Indo-Europeans are not direct descendents of the Israelies. However, we are Christ’s people just as much as genetic descendents of Abraham

Romans Chapter 11
1) I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2) God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

3) "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE."

4) But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."

5) In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice.

6) But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

7) What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

8) just as it is written,
"GOD GAVE THEM A SPIRIT OF STUPOR,
EYES TO SEE NOT AND EARS TO HEAR NOT,
DOWN TO THIS VERY DAY."

9) And David says,
"LET THEIR TABLE BECOME A SNARE AND A TRAP,
AND A STUMBLING BLOCK AND A RETRIBUTION TO THEM.
10) "LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT,
AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER."

11) I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

12) Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!

13) But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

14) if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

15) For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

16) If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

17) But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

18) do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

19) You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."

20) Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith Do not be conceited, but fear;

21) for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

22) Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

23) And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24) For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

25) For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26) and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27) "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

28) From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

29) for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

30) For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

31) so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

32) For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

33) Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

34) For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?

35) Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN?

36) For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

[Diego1618]

Descendants of the northern tribes are primarily in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan -- neighboring country. Anything otherwise said IS Balderdash and non-Christian.

No...you're simply mistaken. God intended for the Israelites to cover the Earth [Amos 9:9]. Any tradition that would limit their location to such a small area is non-Christian.

Simeon WAS assimilated into Judah look at the map of Israel I posted above. Read the scripture, read WHERE Simeon's territory was. They were NOT in the north. Do you doubt scripture that says Simeon's territory was in Judah's?

There is nothing wrong with your map.....except it's about 700 years too early. Simeon WAS given land (1450 B.C.) within Judah [Joshua 19:9] but......When God caused the King of Assyria (721 B.C.) to take ALL Israel except Judah, [II Kings 17:18] after separating the ten tribes from Rehoboam to Jeroboam, Solomon's son [I Kings 11:31].....this event included the tribe of Simeon. You simply cannot dispute this scripture. It says what it says!

Scripture is not in error -- your misinterpretation is the error regarding Reuben merging into the similar culture of the Moabites. It states that ONE person was carried away, not an entire tribe.

Now for the benefit of those who may not....or are inclined not....to read everything up thread, I will recap.

My worthy adversary has said (post #35) that Reuben had been absorbed into the Moab/Edom culture and was a non entity at the time of exile (721 B.C.). He reiterated in post #42 that Reuben had been diluted into other cultures and was never heard from again after the first few kings post David and Solomon (900 B.C.)....and he repeated this same assertion in post #50.

In post #57 he is still claiming this absurdity after being shown scripture refuting his theory! Then is post #90, after being given more scriptural proof, he again makes the same silly assertion: "Reuben had been dissolved as a culture and this "Prince of the Reubenites", Beerah, was the only one taken to Assyria.

Well folks.....this is what the Good Book says about that! [1 Chronicles 5:6] Beerah his son, whom Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria carried away captive: he was prince of the Reubenites. Now please follow this logic: If Beerah was a prince of Reuben it would seem that he was a very old prince.....maybe 200 years or so? We have been told (by Cronos) that the tribe of Reuben had never been heard from again after the first few Kings....or so....because they were absorbed into Moab. We have not been given any scripture stating this. We are instructed to look at a map that shows Reuben abutting Moab and simply told that Reuben was no more! They were now Moabites!

[I Chronicles 5:26] And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day.

Dear friends....the Assyrians began carrying away the ten tribes (Simeon and Reuben included) about 725/735 B.C. and began in earnest about 721 B.C. Scripture explicitly says that the tribe of Reuben was among them! Many Israelites of the north had moved to the south (Judah) between the separation of the two kingdoms (931 B.C.) and the time of the Assyrian deportation (721 B.C.). You will find that here: [2 Chronicles 11:13-17] And the priests and the Levites that were in all Israel resorted to him out of all their coasts. For the Levites left their suburbs and their possession, and came to Judah and Jerusalem: for Jeroboam and his sons had cast them off from executing the priest's office unto the LORD: And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made. And after them out of all the tribes of Israel such as set their hearts to seek the LORD God of Israel came to Jerusalem, to sacrifice unto the LORD God of their fathers. So they strengthened the kingdom of Judah, and made Rehoboam the son of Solomon strong, three years: for three years they walked in the way of David and Solomon. These folks became citizens of Judah and became known as Jews. The folks who stayed in the north maintained the appellation of Israelite and were all carried away in captivity to Assyria in the early 700's B.C.

Now....if you really want to carry on with these silly claims....be my guest. You'll do it on your own.

If you believe that the northern Israelites after being moved by the Assyrians somehow became Cimmerians and Celts and moved to England, then yes, you would be a British Israelite.

I don't believe I have made this claim. The reason I don't believe I have done so is because I don't believe it!

[Cronos]

Nope, I said I didn't LIKE the theory. However, the theory itself is false and is provably so based on genetics, linguistics and historical evidence proving that all Western Europeans and most Europeans are overwhelmingly Indo-European / Aryan. There are traces of Neolithic blood amongst the BAsque, the Orkney islanders. The Hungarians, finns have Magyar blood related to Samii, while the Bulgarians have traces of TUrkic blood through the Avars and the Bulgars.

Linguistically, in all of the European cultures there is not a trace of Hebrew inspired words. Contrast this with Jewish communities in East AFrica and in India and in Germany -- these communities retained Hebrew as a liturgical language but, more importantly, merged Hebrew with the local language to form Hebrew-Malayalam in Kerala and Yiddish in Germania

[Cronos]

quite right

[Cronos]

Most of the Christians today who have been called by the Holy Spirit to Renew their covenant with Yahweh are of Abraham's seed

If by that you mean Abraham's SPIRITUAL descendents, i'll agree. If you mean GENETIC descendents, I will disagree -- there are many holy people of European, African, Korean, MesoAmerican birth who have no Israelites blood who are holy Christians

[Cronos]

In 325 AD Constantine and the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH changed the 7th day Sabbath to the 1st day to keep the pagan worshipers of Mithras the Sun god happy.

Nope, that's another error -- the worshippers of Mithra were Zoroastrians, or rather a sect of Zoroastrianism that was in competition with Christianity. Nothing was made to appease them as they were in direct conflict with Christianity.

Secondly, your pejorative against Constantine tends to forget that Constantine was God's tool, just like David or Solomon or Cyrus

[Cronos]

Yup, Romans, written by Paul, descendent of Benjamin that merged with Judah like Simeon. He’s talking about the Jewish people who now included refugees from the northern tribes. Indo-Europeans were folks like the Hittites — you remember those from the old testament? Well, those were Aryanic people. They existed from before the Israelites reached Canaan — hence they or their relatives the Celts, Latins, Greeks, Germanics, Slavs, Indians, Persians, Tocharians, Armenians etc. could not have been Semites.

[Cronos]

No...you're simply mistaken. God intended for the Israelites to cover the Earth [Amos 9:9]. Any tradition that would limit their location to such a small area is non-Christian.

Nope, any belief that says people who are not of our race (aryans) are not capable of being Christian is a teachign that is not of Christ but of the other. Do you believe then that African Americans, people from Ethiopia, Kenya, the Congo etc. are Israelites?

[Diego1618]

Nope, any belief that says people who are not of our race (Aryans) are not capable of being Christian is a teaching that is not of Christ but of the other. Do you believe then that African Americans, people from Ethiopia, Kenya, the Congo etc. are Israelites?

I am simply amazed at what you don't seem to understand about what I am saying! Where have I ever made the claim that only white Aryan people can be Christians?

Abraham was given promises by God for his faithfulness. One of those promises was here: [Genesis 15:5] And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. Has this promise been fulfilled by the Jews....or the Arabs?

Another...here: [Genesis 17:3-4] And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Has this been fulfilled by them also?

And: [Genesis 22:17-18] That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Have these blessings flown from Mecca....or Jerusalem?

The Israelites were taken captive 125 years before the Jews were exiled to Babylon. The Jews came back [Ezra & Nehemiah]....the Israelites did not. They were never lost. They just weren't around anymore. History lost track of them after Josephus told us where they were. I would imagine that by now most cultures of the world probably have some Israelite blood....just like the Lord had told Abraham.

In what way are these views racist to you? [Psalm 114:2]

[Cronos]

I ask you the same question again: Do you believe then that African Americans, people from Ethiopia, Kenya, the Congo etc. are Israelites? you assert that the Israelites spread to all nations of the world, so then, Do you believe then that African Americans, people from Ethiopia, Kenya, the Congo etc. are also descendents of the Israelites?

[Diego1618]

Do you believe then that African Americans, people from Ethiopia, Kenya, the Congo etc. are Israelites?

Many of them are..... with bloodlines down through King Solomon.....and others.

Those that do not have Solomon's bloodlines may yet still be of Israel....if they are Christian. [Ephesians 2:12-13] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

They have the bloodline of Our Lord.

Other folks throughout the world....regardless of racial characteristics or color may also have Israelite blood in their veins as prophecy tells us that the Israelites were to populate the Earth [Amos 9:9]......and they have been at it for about 2500 years (scattered). This is without respect of religious beliefs.

Now.....I ask you again. What have I written that would be construed as a racial superior attitude....or outlook according to you?

[ladyL]

Dearest Cisnos;
It's Monday morning 5 am and I always like to start my day and my week off in peace. I have read all your posts and I agree with some of your points but many I do not. That doesn't make you right or wrong and that doesn't make me right or wrong. Let us both go to Yahweh in prayer and ask Him to show us His truths and ask Him to make us sensitive enough to hear them.
I have always said that any theology that operates without love is not from Jesus. So Brother, let us go our way theologically in peace. I have made my points and I believe you have made yours. Shalom my friend, may we meet on another thread :)

[Cronos]

Ok, one more question before I answer yours (re: what could you have written re: racial ...) —> what about people who could not have Israelite genetics (like the remote amazonian tribes, Andamanese, Papua New Guineans) — these have not interacged with outsiders in millenia, so they could not have Israelite blood. How do these fall into God’s plan according to you?

[Diego1618]

what about people who could not have Israelite genetics (like the remote amazonian tribes, Andamanese, Papua New Guineans) — these have not interacged with outsiders in millennia, so they could not have Israelite blood. How do these fall into God’s plan according to you?

Sure....it's probable that many folks (remote tribes) do not yet have Israelite blood.....or Our Messiah's sacrificial covering as well. This is through no fault of their own and many missionaries throughout history have attempted to rectify this situation.

Not to worry.....Our Lord has a plan to include everyone (upon their own personal acceptance). He will not condemn these folks to eternal separation because some missionary had a flat tire and could not make it in time to some old "Jivaro's" deathbed. [1 Timothy 2:1-4] I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

[Cronos]

Thank you for answering that question, I then apologize as I misunderstood both of you to be some kind of folks promoting a caste system (descended genetically from Abraham and those not). That philosophy is something I abhore, as I’ve said earlier as it negates Christ’s sacrifice.

[Diego1618]

Accepted.....my FRiend.

[Britt0n]

Have you studied about the lost 10 tribes? I was going to ask you about this, after reading your fallen angels post. I decided to type in “lost ten tribes” on the Freeper search engine and see that you are one of the first replies on this subject from John Leland’s post!

I really believe that the United States and U.K. — the Anglo Saxons— are part of the lost 10 tribes of Israel!

[Quix]

British Israel is one of those things I still have on the shelf, waiting to see what God confirms or disconfirms.

I do tend to believe that Danes are from the tribe of Dan, however.

Thx.