If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem

Madrid Blogspot ^ | January 27, 2009 | Patrick Madrid

[Richard Kimball]

Not quite sure I get where you’re going. It’s hard to read the family tree, but it looks like Clevon had eleven kids by four wives and Clevon Junior has four kids by four wives. I take it Clevon hasn’t found a job yet. Is that Clevon Junior next to him or the doctor that delivered some of the kids?

[Salvation]

If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem

Vatican and Italian government criticize sale of RU 486 in Italy
New Condom Ads Target Catholics, Latinos
St. Padre Pio, Humanae Vitae, and Mandatory Abortion
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]

Humanae Vitae and True Sexual Freedom — Part 6 of 6 [Open]
Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
Does Contraception Foster Love? — Part 2 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]

Priests still suffering from effects of Humanae Vitae dissenters, Vatican cardinal says (Must read!)
"Provoking reflection" (Contrasting views on Humanae Vitae)
Humanae Vitae The Year of the Peirasmòs - 1968
Catholics to Pope: Lift the Birth Control Ban

[OPEN] The Vindication of Humanae Vitae
Catholic Clergy Challenge Colleagues to Reacquaint Themselves and Their People with Humanae Vitae
White House proposes wide "conscience clause" on abortion, contraception
THE EX CATHEDRA STATUS OF THE ENCYCLICAL "HUMANAE VITAE" [Catholic Caucus]
“A degrading poison that withers life”
Australia Study: 70 Percent of Women Seeking Abortions Used Contraception

[Fr. Thomas Euteneuer] In Persona Christi: The Priest and Contraception

A Challenging Truth, Part Two: The Day the Birth Control Died
A Challenging Truth, Part One: How Birth Control Works
Ten Challenges for the Pro-Life Movement in 2008
The concept of the "intrinsically evil"
Pope Tells Pharmacists Not to Dispense Drugs With 'Immoral Purposes'

Massive Study Finds the Pill Significantly Increases Cancer Risk if Used more than Eight Years
Birth Control Pill Creates Blood Clot Causing Death of Irish Woman
Seminarians Bring Church’s Teaching on Contraception, Sexuality to YouTube
Abortion and Contraception: Old Lies
History of Catholic teaching on Contraception

Pope: Legislation "Supporting Contraception and Abortion is Threatening the Future of Peoples"
Contraception: Why It's Wrong
On Fox News Fearless HLI Priest Takes on Sean Hannity (may be indebted for saving his soul)
VIDEO - SEAN HANNITY vs REV. THOMAS EUTENEUER (must see!)
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Pope on divine love vs. erotic love
Conjugal Love and Procreation: God's Design
Being fruitful [Evangelicals and contraception]

[ventana]

Absolutely! This happened to someone I know. They (docs) sold it as palliative care, but that was not true. It was euthanasia. Scary! V’s wife.

[bronxville]

Sorry to hear it ventana. They use fancy names - another one is Compassionate Care. Kinda like the commies who became marxists, progressives etc. They’re slick. The name of the Eugenics Society has also changed over the years. We need to watch these murderers very closely and share our experiences with the public.

[Niuhuru]

Beg to differ. I’m simply trying to avoid debt and make responsible choices.

[Antoninus]

On this issue, people didn't need much convincing. The rise of effective and cheap birth control, coupled with the overturning of the laws that banned contraception, was more than enough to make tens of millions of Americans go out and control their fertility.

"Control their fertility?" That's funny way to put it. More like, "Voluntarily sterilize themselves so they can more easily behave like sexual animals."

[Citizen Blade]

"Control their fertility?" That's funny way to put it.

It's accurate, whether you like it or not.

more like, "Voluntarily sterilize themselves so they can more easily behave like sexual animals."

Pointlessly hyperbolic rhetoric doesn't help you make your point.

An unmarried woman who wants to have sex with her boyfriend without the fear of getting pregnant isn't acting like some "sexual animal." She's making a rational life choice to put off child-bearing until she is ready. If your assumption is that everyone who uses contraception is promiscuous, you are incorrect.

[MEGoody]

We haven’t paid into anything.

You haven't paid into social security? Well, I sure have. A huge chunk is taken out of every paycheck I've received since I started working.

[dmz]

Whenever these issues are discussed, I’m a bit dismayed by the apparent class envy simmering just below the surface. Your comment about beemers and college tuition trumping having children seems an example of that.

We freepers like folks with money when they are viewed through the job creation lens. But when we look at their private lives, with things being more important than kids, we turn on those very same people.

My profile: 3 kids, more house than I need, but not more than I can afford. Strong desire for each of the kids to leave college debt free (2 down 1 to go). Could I have afforded more kids? Sure. But I am not ashamed at all to say that I like having a couple of extra nickles to rub together, and that having more kids would have had an impact on my ability to rub those nickels together.

[Antoninus]

An unmarried woman who wants to have sex with her boyfriend without the fear of getting pregnant isn't acting like some "sexual animal."

Actually, she's behaving worse than an animal. Animals have intercourse because for them it is a matter of instinct. It is a sensation that gives them pleasure and they feel the need to do it. They are heedless of any and all consequences and it is arguable that they understand whether the act has anything to do with the begetting of young.

The woman in the scenario you outlined above (and even moreso, the man) is behaving similarly. She has divorced the procreative aspect of intercourse (the true purpose of the act, according to nature) and engages in the act for the pleasure of it alone. The difference is that she does so knowingly--which makes it worse, morally speaking, than if she did it unknowingly like an animal.

She's making a rational life choice to put off child-bearing until she is ready. If your assumption is that everyone who uses contraception is promiscuous, you are incorrect.

I'm not saying that everyone who uses contraception is promiscuous. I'm saying that everyone who uses artificial contraception is behaving immorally.

And immoral behavior, if not eventually curtailed, will lead the individual practicing it to a bad end, regardless of the what modern precautions are available.

And a society that promotes immoral behavior as 'a rational choice' will also come to a bad end.

[Salvation]

Excellent.

[Citizen Blade]

She has divorced the procreative aspect of intercourse (the true purpose of the act, according to nature) and engages in the act for the pleasure of it alone.

And that is wrong why, exactly?

And a society that promotes immoral behavior as 'a rational choice' will also come to a bad end.

You're assuming what you still have to prove- namely, that contraceptive use is immoral.

[cowtowney]

“Beg to differ. I’m simply trying to avoid debt and make responsible choices”

I was not referring to you personally but to your so called upper class

[Niuhuru]

At the moment, I’m unemployed and part of the underclass.

[cowtowney]

“Whenever these issues are discussed, I’m a bit dismayed by the apparent class envy simmering just below the surface. Your comment about beemers and college tuition trumping having children seems an example of that.”

Let me explain

Niuhuru said “I find that interesting considering the underclass is breeding like rabbits.”

This is a snotty comment...as if the so called ‘underclass’ has no right to reproduce.

It’s not the problem with one class overproducing; they are doing the right thing. The upperclass is not producing enough.

I don’t care how much money people have. I’m a capitalist.
Whatever the reason, we’re not having enough babies. Your particular situation is not the point. It’s the demographics of our nation that is going down the drain.

[dmz]

You followed your upperclass breeding comment with your own snotty comment about beemers and tuition payments. As if the upperclass has no right to spend their money on beemers and tuition payments.

You may not care how much money people have, but you do seem mighty concerned with how they spend it, if they are not spending it on stuff you deem important.

[Puddleglum]

I can’t afford children. The state of California has me busy paying taxes to support the children of illegal aliens.

Do you think they'd have passed such hare-brained laws if most USA families were large and, well, voted large? I don't.

I am tired of the "cost of living is too expensive for kids" argument. I will admit, however, that fewer and fewer people seem to have the temperament to be around children. They see them as noisy wastes of time. Seems to be rooted in selfishness - and no, it was a bygone generation that thought "children should be seen and not heard." Yet that generation bred quite capably - they just knew not to treat children like little celebrities.

I am also tired of religous Christians gushing "children are a gift from God - life is so precious!" and then doing all they can to have micro-families.

[Puddleglum]

"Whatever the reason, we’re not having enough babies. "

This is the formula for death by democracy - the culture that created the Constitution will be replaced by a culture that does not give a damn about it, and it will be coup by ballot box. So long Western values - and by the way - so long capitalism. Cast your eyes to Africa to see what happens.

[MahatmaGandu]

There’s a reason I put a sarcasm tag at the end of that comment.

[Puddleglum]

There’s a reason I put a sarcasm tag at the end of that comment.

still, I felt the need to grab the topic and run with it a stretch - no personal slight intended.