Posted on 03/25/2009 1:14:14 AM PDT by OPREV
Nineteen hundred and seventy five years ago, This is the discussion that went on between Jesus and his disciples -
Mat 24:3 As Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him in private. "Tell us when all this will be," they asked, "and what will happen to show that it is the time for your coming and the end of the age."
Mat 24:4 Jesus answered, ....
Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky; and all the peoples of the land will weep as they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 The great trumpet will sound, and he will send out his angels to the four corners of the earth, and they will gather his chosen people from one end of the world to the other.
And the most important part ----
Mat 24:34 Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
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Jesus told the disciples he would come back and take them to heaven in their lifetime. If he didn't come back, then, he lied.
Another translation of verse 34
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till ALL these things be accomplished.
Jesus told the disciples that their generation would not pass away, until he came back and took them to heaven.
Jesus came back, in the 1st century, like he said he would, and, his angels gathered the elect and they went back to heaven. Which means, we live in the millenium.
Rev 20:4 ...and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, ... and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The Greek word used for the "thousand years" is chilioi. Chilioi is a plural word, meaning, 2000, or more. Thus, the millenium would be 2000 or more years.
And we would be at this point in history -
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the next thing we would see is, the Bride coming out of Heaven
Rev 21:9 And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues; and he spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Jesus came back & the early church left, with him. The rapture is past, the beast & false prophet also, the two witnesses are long gone, as are the 144,000. We live at the very end of history, when Satan is let loose, the armies from the North attack God's people, fire from the sky comes down and kills them, and there is a new heaven and new earth. And the final act is the Bride coming out of heaven. And then it's over. :)
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I think someone mentioned that site to me once.
Makes the extremely bizarre seem sane and conventional by comparison.
Are you having fun yet?
WRONG.
Contrary to some naysaying perspectives . . .
Quix
STILL
has the capacity to recognize gibberish from hell when he sees it.
LOL.
My next comment would have been:Are you channeling Quix ?
;-)
>> Or...is it that the falling away are the elect leaving man made traditions and doctrines...lifeless shells? <<
I can’t think that Paul would use the word, “falling away” to represent a move to a better condition, since falling is used in such harshly negative contexts.
As far as the “visible” church becoming a lifeless shell. I’ve always been deeply troubled by the spread of the notion that one can judge a community by how much earthly zing it has; I hope that’s not what you meant. If you mean the doctrinal correctness of institutional churches, I think mine for one is definitely moving in the right direction... at least enough so those within who are doctrinally incorrect at least know damned well (I mean that as I wrote it) that they are in opposition to the church’s doctrine.
More likely, we are seeing the destruction of those denominations which are rooted in corrupt matters coming to bloom.
Still the same chronic
SWEETNESS, I see.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo Impressive.
NOPE!
NOT AT ALL!
Perhaps a ‘Quix-pretender’ imposter from hell.
Did I post to you?
No I did not.
We’ve been through this before - remember?
Are you presuming a special category for yourself yet again?
If you plan to infer and refer to stuff related to me, you might plan on expecting a response.
I’d have thought that was elementary Dear Watson.
walk away from it brother.
It’s like trying to teach a pig to sing.
You simply waste your time and annoy the pig.
LOL.
TRUE. TRUE.
That was a favorite saying of my Dissertation Chairman to me.
And, I probably do need to attend to some other things! LOL.
I haven’t gotten to my emails yet! And I still have to make it to open pottery by 11:00
Wheee . . . time flies when you’re having fun.
THX.
Even the rock art edition was a low print run.
Preterism: An error of Biblical interpretation. While not the exact error of Hymanaeusism and Philetusism, preterism falls into the same class of interpretive mistake.
2 Ti 2:17-18 (NASB)
“and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, {men} who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.”
TRUE STILL AND AGAIN!
Later . . . pottery calls.
I have begun a study through Leviticus and the sacrificial system that the LORD established, and He has lead me to study the Salt Covenant. I thought you would be interested in reading this summary. Covenant of Salt
THANKS.
May get to it this evening when I get back.
LUB
I tend to agree and argued the other side but either way it sounds like deception will/is running rampant.
As far as the “visible” church becoming a lifeless shell. I’ve always been deeply troubled by the spread of the notion that one can judge a community by how much earthly zing it has; I hope that’s not what you meant. If you mean the doctrinal correctness of institutional churches, I think mine for one is definitely moving in the right direction... at least enough so those within who are doctrinally incorrect at least know damned well (I mean that as I wrote it) that they are in opposition to the church’s doctrine.
Lol...I don't know what "earthly zing" is so it must not be what I meant. Yes, I'm speaking of doctrinal problems...those that don't align with His Word and consequently mislead. Or, the churches that are filled to the brim and yet little of value is taught. (TV evangelist) I think it is vital that no matter what we are taught or by whom we are taught we must also...
Philippians 2:12-13 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God Which worketh in you but to will and to do, of His good pleasure.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, Which is the Holy Ghost, Whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
16:13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.
To me, it is vital that we weigh all we are taught against His Word.
ping-a-roo
>>>Yowza! I hardly think that because someone disagrees with you it means there are demons involved. Many very, very sound Bible teachers disagree with your conclusions. Does that make their teachings demonic? As far as your posts are concerned, you can use all the smiley faces you want, but it hasn't covered up your intention to stir dissension and doubt among believers here.
OK. We'll just call it the flesh, or, sin in the flesh. Then again, sin is a spirit also(Rom 6:22). I didn't come to stir up doubt. I posted scripture. And some don't believe what it says. If you'll notice, the rebuttals don't contain a lot of scripture, merely what people "think" happened. Probably from a lack of studying on their own, and taking other's word for it.
Being loud and typing in extra large, all cap fonts doesn't make one right. It makes them desperate. There is no proof Jesus didn't come back in 70AD, because he did. Just like he said.
Mat 18:3 ...Except ye turn, and become as little children...
:)
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