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Either Stop Contraception or Destroy the Family
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Family/Family_007.htm ^ | unknown | Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

Posted on 03/29/2009 3:25:06 PM PDT by stfassisi

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To: vladimir998

Well, Vlad, you know more than me about Gossip Girl because I didn’t even know there was a television show that had that name.

Unreal.


101 posted on 03/31/2009 4:01:03 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: stfassisi

Actually, the billions included “Baptists and others.”

True contraception is adisputable matter. Go in peace.


102 posted on 03/31/2009 7:09:32 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Paved Paradise

You wrote:

“Hey, Vlad, we weren’t talking about abortions, contraception. So, your stats on 2-3 percent of abortions for medical reasons is meaningless in this context. I suppose now you’re going to tell me that preventing conception is abortion now.”

1) Some contraceptives are abortifacients, sush as the pill. If you didn’t know that, then your knowledge really is filled with major gaps.

2) Use of contraceptives always leads to abortion. Every society that embraces contraceptives embraces abortion. Abortion becomes thought of as a necessary back up to solve the “problem” of unintended pregnancy when contraceptives fail.

3) The abortion mentality is an outgrowth of the contraceptive mentality precisely because of the relationship mention in #2.

4) The abortion stats I mentioned reflect stats in contraceptive use precisely because of what is mentioned in 2 and 3.

Abortion is, therefore, relevant.

“Since you are the one trying to tell everyone they are WRONG for practicing contraception and what a terrible sin it is, I figured if you were really sincere, you’d be more than happy to show some evidence or facts.”

Since you are standing against ancient and even modern Christian practice and denying the sinfulness of something that was always viewed as sinful until a few decades ago, I figured you would at least be able to make a Biblical, rational, historical argument for your views. Perhaps you could even show some evidence for what you claim? Apparently not.

“As for never telling anyone what you do, I find that very interesting since you like telling everyone what TO do.”

Christianity says contraceptives are sinful. I am not telling anyone what to do by stating that fact. You have a problem with Christianity. The problem is all yours.

“And incidentally, nobody asked your name, your age, or where you live. Your occupation is pretty generic, unless next you’re going to tell me it’s sooo unique that just by saying what it is you do will give away some big secret clue about your identity.”

Your obsession with my personal information makes you sound like a stalker wannabe. I am not posting any personal information. It’s just that simple. Don’t like it? Too bad.

“I am sitting here cracking up. You must be really important since just by giving away your “occupation” that provides you with so much insider medical info is going to tell us who you are.”

It’s obvious you’re cracking up - you might even be laughing too. You’re attacking Christianity, but making yourself apparently feel better by writing it as if you were attacking me. Again, Christianity always said contraceptives were wrong. Period. Contraception use in a society actually leads to abortion as has been demonstrated in country after country.

You can continue to avoid reading books on the topic - after all you’ve never read any, right? Yeah, not even a single one, right? And you can continue to claim that I am a know-it-all when I simply know more than you because of what I do and the research I’ve done (when you’ve done NONE). I don’t mind. You can also keep obsessing about my personal information - which you will never learn from me. I don’t mind. You lost this argument way back at the beginning. And that won’t change.


103 posted on 04/01/2009 2:57:32 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Paved Paradise

You wrote:

“Well, Vlad, you know more than me about Gossip Girl because I didn’t even know there was a television show that had that name. Unreal.”

I didn’t either. I also have never seen the show. I thought maybe you wasted all of your time watching tawdry teenage angst driven TV shows since you clearly don’t read up on about what you post.


104 posted on 04/01/2009 3:02:36 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

A couple of posts ago, you said:

“In reality I don’t expect to be on this earth for too much longer with my health the way it is...”

It’s worse than you think. You are one nasty soul. I stay far away from toxic people and you are both toxic AND paranoid, a very lethal (to you and others) combo.

(Washing Hands)


105 posted on 04/02/2009 5:24:30 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

You wrote:

“A couple of posts ago, you said:
“In reality I don’t expect to be on this earth for too much longer with my health the way it is...” It’s worse than you think. You are one nasty soul.”

No, actually I’m not. It doesn’t surprise me that you feel the need to villify someone you lost an argument too, however.

“I stay far away from toxic people and you are both toxic AND paranoid, a very lethal (to you and others) combo.”

I am not paranoid in the least. Paranoia is all mental, while my health problems are all purely physical. Again, we see that you have to villify me as toxic and paranoid - because you can’t win the argument you have to find an excuse to run from it.

“(Washing Hands)”

Go ahead, Pilate, wash your hands. The blood on them will still be there, but you might ease your malformed conscience.


106 posted on 04/03/2009 3:08:06 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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