Posted on 04/20/2009 7:21:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler
Here is the latest program from Jan Markell of Olive Tree Ministries - from Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota, on AM980 KKMS. The weekly broadcast specilizes in interviewing various guest, usually two per program (an hour each).
The following are the two guests on for this most recent program.
Dr. Ron Rhodes returns to talk Bible prophecy with Jan. Why is the secular world more interested in eschatology than the church? Those who follow the "end-times" are now called "right-wing extremists" by Homeland Security. Our world is upside down, inside out, and what is the Christian--particularly those watching the "signs of the times"--to do? The scoffing has intensified but due to the turmoil of our times, more are listening, asking questions, and are going to ask you for answers. Dr. Rhodes is one of our "Understanding the Times 2009" speakers. Find Dr. Rhodes' book, "Northern Storm Rising", here.
Bill Salus is the author of the popular book "Israelestine: The Ancient Blueprints of the Future Middle East." Jan and Bill talk about general "signs of the times," the Church of Laodicea, the passage of Psalm 83 (found in a Bible opened to that page in a Irish filthy bog in 2006,) and other important issues of the day. Salus' book will be on our Web site within a week and can be then found here. Salus believes the Psalm 83 war may be the next major war in the Mideast.
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Here is some information from the Olive Tree Ministries about itself.
Jan Markell, Founder and President of Olive Tree Ministries, was saved under Jewish evangelist Hyman Appleman when she was a child. In Jan’s early ministry years she was a part of the Messianic movement, worked for pro-Israel agencies, and for Jewish evangelism ministries.
In 1982, Jan incorporated Olive Tree Ministries and the goals of the ministry can be read at “Our Purpose.” Jan has written eight major books with prominent Christian publishing houses. She has produced a dozen DVDs, some featured on Sky Angel. At one time she traveled full time across America as a speaker. Visit our store to see some of the products by Jan that are available for purchase. In the year 2000, Jan launched a radio branch of the ministry starting first on AM980 KKMS, Minneapolis/St. Paul. In 2004, the program was syndicated nationally and is heard internationally on the Internet. “Understanding the Times” radio has been received well as a source of news and information hard to find. “Understanding the Times” is interview and commentary-driven. Learn more at the “Radio Show” category. We have had e-mail response from across America and from two-dozen foreign countries listening to the program.
The ministry has five employees including Jan’s personal assistant Heidi Swander. Other employees assist in radio production and technical areas. Olive Tree Ministries is a registered 501c3 organization.
You said — Who have you read who’s not a dispensationalist?
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Ummm..., you mean who *is* a preterist? ... LOL... in other words, what heresies have I been reading lately?
Which remind me, if people want to see the heresies of the preterists... take a gander down to this website to hear Mark Hithcock (a pastor from Edmond, OK and co-writer of a book with John Walvoord)...
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/newmedia/sermon.asp?v=a
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Specifically about the heresy of Preterism...
An Introduction to Preterism
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060111_w3881.mp3
End Times Controversey - Preterism Part 2
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060118_w3882.mp3
A Critique of the Preterist View of Matthew 24 - Preterism Part 3
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060125_w3883.mp3
An Introduction to Preterist Interpretation of Revelation - Preterism Part 4
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060201_w3884.mp3
Was Nero the Beast of Revelation 13 - Preterism Part 5
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060208_w3885.mp3
Preterism and the Date of Revelation 13 - Preterism Part 6
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060215_w3886.mp3
Preterism and the Date of Revelation 13 - Preterism Part 7
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060222_w3887.mp3
Preterism - Questions & Answers - Preterism Part 8
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060301_w3888.mp3
Nothing to deny. That's the point. It's all speculation on your part about modern, secular Israel et al and how it allegedly fits into prophecy.
As I said if you don't drink the kool aid you won't swallow the system.
what heresies have I been reading lately?
Ummm. I've got a "questionable to heretical" section, for reference. Book of Mormon goes there, papist stuff, a marian apparations book, Rob't Schuller's self esteem book. Osteen will, once I find something at a garage sale cheap. Koran will, ditto.I've got some of the standard dispy stuff in my library (not, BTW, in the questionable to heretical section) -- Scofield v. 1.0 and 2.0, Hal "this year for sure Rocky" Lindsay, oldies like Salem Kirban, some others. I get more as I run across it cheap.
The overwhelming impression I get is that your average pop dispensationalist pundit is not at all familiar with any other position, other than the caricatures that they repeat to each other. Thus my current tagline.
You've heard of, surely, B. B. Warfield. He wrote a bit on eschatology, in his Selected Shorter Writings.
Well, don’t tell anybody, but there are people who think that the rebirth of Israel has to do with what the Bible says and the prophecies contained in it, about Israel...
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The Declaration Of The Establishment Of The State Of Israel (May 14, 1948)
On May 14, 1948, on the day in which the British Mandate over Palestine expired, the Jewish People’s Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, and approved the following proclamation, declaring the establishment of the State of Israel. The new state was recognized that night at 11:00 AM Israel time by the United States and three days later by the USSR.
“ERETZ-ISRAEL (the Land of Israel) was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books.
After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom.
Impelled by this historic and traditional attachment, Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. In recent decades they returned in their masses. Pioneers, ma’pilim (immigrants coming to Eretz-Israel in defiance of restrictive legislation) and defenders, they made deserts bloom, revived the Hebrew language, built villages and towns, and created a thriving community controlling its own economy and culture, loving peace but knowing how to defend itself, bringing the blessings of progress to all the country’s inhabitants, and aspiring towards independent nationhood.
In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.
This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917, and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular, gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National Home.
The catastrophe which recently befell the Jewish people — the massacre of millions of Jews in Europe — was another clear demonstration of the urgency of solving the problem of its homelessness by re-establishing in Eretz-Israel the Jewish State, which would open the gates of the homeland wide to every Jew and confer upon the Jewish people the status of a fully privileged member of the community of nations.
Survivors of the Nazi holocaust in Europe, as well as Jews from other parts of the world, continued to migrate to Eretz-Israel, undaunted by difficulties, restrictions and dangers, and never ceased to assert their right to a life of dignity, freedom and honest toil in their national homeland.
In the Second World War, the Jewish community of this country contributed its full share to the struggle of the freedom- and peace-loving nations against the forces of Nazi wickedness and, by the blood of its soldiers and its war effort, gained the right to be reckoned among the peoples who founded the United Nations.
On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.
This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.
ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE’S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People’s Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People’s Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called “Israel”.
THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.
WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.
WE APPEAL — in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months — to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.
WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream — the redemption of Israel.
PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE ALMIGHTY, WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE, THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR, 5708 (14TH MAY,1948).”
David Ben-Gurion
Daniel Auster
Mordekhai Bentov
Yitzchak Ben Zvi
Eliyahu Berligne
Fritz Bernstein
Rabbi Wolf Gold
Meir Grabovsky
Yitzchak Gruenbaum
Dr. Abraham Granovsky
Eliyahu Dobkin
Meir Wilner-Kovner
Zerach Wahrhaftig
Herzl Vardi
Rachel Cohen
Rabbi Kalman Kahana
Saadia Kobashi
Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin
Meir David Loewenstein
Zvi Luria
Golda Myerson
Nachum Nir
Zvi Segal
Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman
David Zvi Pinkas
Aharon Zisling
Moshe Kolodny
Eliezer Kaplan
Abraham Katznelson
Felix Rosenblueth
David Remez
Berl Repetur
Mordekhai Shattner
Ben Zion Sternberg
Bekhor Shitreet
Moshe Shapira
Moshe Shertok
We surely would not want anyone to think that this has anything to do with the Bible and any prophecies (”future ones” no less) about Israel. They might get the wrong idea and think that this re-establishment of Israel as a nation actually had something to do with God... LOL...
Well, I guess that means you won’t be reading John Walvoord then... LOL...
Welcome to the deep and wide biblical teaching which Dr. John F. Walvoord offers to the generations which survive him.
Dr. Walvoord, one of evangelicalism’s most prominent 20th century leaders, was a man of remarkable depth and breadth. Though best known for his encyclopedic grasp of Bible prophecy, he was also a man who understood and taught the core of Christian theology with unusual clarity and conviction.
His first book, published in 1943, was The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ Our Lord, published a quarter of a century later, in 1969, is described by a recent online reviewer as “a great introduction to Christology,” and provides depth and breadth seldom found in other books which attempt to capture the complex profundity of Jesus. His dozens of works on prophetic themes all point to the one Dr. Walvoord loved from the depth of his being: Jesus Christ, his Lord.
Take a few minutes to click through this site. You’ll find articles, entire books, audio sermons, and a growing collection of resources that will enrich your understanding of the Bible.
This site will continue to grow as more of the tens of thousands of pages penned by Dr. Walvoord in his more than 60 years of teaching, writing, and preaching come to life digitally.
We wouldn’t want you to “offend yourself” by reading him, now... would we? He might be saying something about “future prophecies” and about Israel and — man! — that just would be “too much” for you, wouldn’t it... LOL...
I also take it, that you won’t be going to study at Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, then, studying under Dr. Ergun Caner, Dean.
FIRST FORMER MUSLIM TO BECOME DEAN OF AN EVANGELICAL SEMINARY IN THE U.S.
Liberty University announces Dr. Ergun Caner as the new Dean of the Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary. Caner fills the post vacated by Dr. Danny Lovett who leaves to assume the presidency of Tennessee Temple University in Chattanooga.
Caner, the first former Muslim to become the dean of an evangelical seminary in the United States, has spent two years at Liberty University teaching Theology and Church History in the School of Religion. A very popular professor, Caner energizes his listeners through both his humor and direct preaching.
“We will develop the seminary into the leading evangelical institution for training Christians for a new generation. It is no longer sufficient to simply train graduate students in theory and abstract; we must challenge them to reach a world with 140 major religions, many of whom inhabit our shores. Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary will set the standard for global apologetics on a world stage,” Caner said.
Dr. Jerry Falwell recently said, “He [Caner] is today one of the most electrifying speakers and defenders of the faith that I have ever heard. I am proud to call him a friend and so thankful that God has sent him to Liberty to lead what I believe will be a revolution in seminary education on this campus. Dr. Caner has also become a voice for evangelical Christianity in the national media, debating Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and Bah’ai leaders on more than 50 college and university campuses.”
Dr. Daniel Akin, President of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary said, “Dr. Ergun Caner is a fine scholar and an outstanding communicator of Christian truth. He will bring energy and passion as Dean of this fine seminary. I commend Dr. Falwell on such an excellent choice.”
After accepting Jesus Christ into his life and surrendering to the Gospel ministry, Caner continued his education receiving his Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Studies and Languages in 1989 from Cumberland College in Williamsburg, Kentucky. He then received his Master of Arts in History from the Criswell College in Dallas, Texas in 1992. In 1994, he received his Master of Divinity from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina, and in 1995, he completed his Master of Theology at Southeastern. In 2000, Caner received his Doctor of Theology from the University of South Africa in residence in Johannesburg.
Prior to coming to Liberty University, Caner taught Theology and Church History for two years at Criswell College. Caner and his wife of 11 years, Jill, are the parents of two sons, Braxton and Drake.
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“Dr. Ergun Caner will bring a breathe of heaven to the Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary. He is an on-fire Christian, a wonderful preacher, a personal soul winner and a committed scholar. I believe under his leadership the Seminary will see its greatest day.”
Dr. Jerry Vines
Senior Pastor- First Baptist Church, Jacksonville, Florida
Former President- Southern Baptist Convention
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“Dr. Ergun Caner is a fine scholar and an outstanding communicator of Christian truth. He will bring energy and passion as Dean of this fine seminary. I commend Dr. Falwell on such an excellent choice.”
Dr. Daniel L. Akin
President, Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary
Wake Forest, North Carolina
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“Without question Ergun Caner is one of the up and coming evangelical leaders of the next generation. As a Liberty University Board member I am thrilled beyond words that this outstanding scholar, teacher and preacher has been named the new dean of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary. Only God knows the incredible heights that LBTS will reach under Dr. Caner’s inspiring leadership.”
Dr. James Merritt
Senior Pastor
Cross Point Church, Atlanta, Georgia
Former President- Southern Baptist Convention
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“Everything about Ergun Caner is remarkable because the grace of God is remarkable. This young theologian will add a dimension and a depth to Liberty that will further establish it as the world’s premier Evangelical University.”
Dr. D. Mac Brunson
Senior Pastor First Baptist Church Dallas
Chancellor - Criswell College
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“Ergun Caner is a fabulous choice for serving as President of Liberty University Theological Seminary. He represents scholarship being on fire for God. His pulpit to the nation over the past three years serves as a nationwide recruiting spiritual attraction for the seminary due to his enthusiastic, scholarly, humorous, evangelistic approach as he communicates God’s Word in a cutting edge manner.”
Dr. Ronnie Floyd
Senior Pastor- First Baptist Church Springdale, ARK
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http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6849&sid=23
We certainly wouldn’t want you to dump your heretical views in place of a seminary that could teach you some real things about “future prophecy” and “Israel” and the significance of Israel in the future prophecy that the Bible teaches us.
Dr. Ergun Caner might just tell you that you don’t know the Bible as well as you thought...
... might give you a heart attack... LOL...
This is old news, but, no, it probably won’t happen.
When folks start actually quoting the Bible to prove their theories are air tight, then that will be news. Otherwise it is all just propaganda for the Rapture Ready® crowd.
Let me ask a simple question, what do you know for-certain-absolutely-without-a-doubt from the Bible alone wrt modern, secular Israel?
Your ignorance is showing here (again). First of all, Lee is not a preterist. Secondly, some preterists are heretics just like some dispensationalists are heretics.
I guess in your book all non-dispensaitonalists are heretics.
I guess Dallas Theological Seminary would be out, for you too... LOL...
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Article V—THE DISPENSATIONS
We believe that the dispensations are stewardships by which God administers His purpose on the earth through man under varying responsibilities. We believe that the changes in the dispensational dealings of God with man depend on changed conditions or situations in which man is successively found with relation to God, and that these changes are the result of the failures of man and the judgments of God. We believe that different administrative responsibilities of this character are manifest in the biblical record, that they span the entire history of mankind, and that each ends in the failure of man under the respective test and in an ensuing judgment from God. We believe that three of these dispensations or rules of life are the subject of extended revelation in the Scriptures, viz., the dispensation of the Mosaic Law, the present dispensation of grace, and the future dispensation of the millennial kingdom. We believe that these are distinct and are not to be intermingled or confused, as they are chronologically successive.
We believe that the dispensations are not ways of salvation nor different methods of administering the so-called Covenant of Grace. They are not in themselves dependent on covenant relationships but are ways of life and responsibility to God which test the submission of man to His revealed will during a particular time. We believe that if man does trust in his own efforts to gain the favor of God or salvation under any dispensational test, because of inherent sin his failure to satisfy fully the just requirements of God is inevitable and his condemnation sure.
We believe that according to the “eternal purpose” of God (Eph. 3:11) salvation in the divine reckoning is always “by grace through faith,” and rests upon the basis of the shed blood of Christ. We believe that God has always been gracious, regardless of the ruling dispensation, but that man has not at all times been under an administration or stewardship of grace as is true in the present dispensation (1 Cor. 9:17; Eph. 3:2; 3:9, asv; Col. 1:25; 1 Tim. 1:4, asv).
We believe that it has always been true that “without faith it is impossible to please” God (Heb. 11:6), and that the principle of faith was prevalent in the lives of all the Old Testament saints. However, we believe that it was historically impossible that they should have had as the conscious object of their faith the incarnate, crucified Son, the Lamb of God (John 1:29), and that it is evident that they did not comprehend as we do that the sacrifices depicted the person and work of Christ. We believe also that they did not understand the redemptive significance of the prophecies or types concerning the sufferings of Christ (1 Pet. 1:10–12); therefore, we believe that their faith toward God was manifested in other ways as is shown by the long record in Hebrews 11:1–40. We believe further that their faith thus manifested was counted unto them for righteousness (cf. Rom. 4:3 with Gen. 15:6; Rom. 4:5–8; Heb. 11:7).
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Article XIII—THE CHURCH, A UNITY OF BELIEVERS
We believe that all who are united to the risen and ascended Son of God are members of the church which is the body and bride of Christ, which began at Pentecost and is completely distinct from Israel. Its members are constituted as such regardless of membership or nonmembership in the organized churches of earth. We believe that by the same Spirit all believers in this age are baptized into, and thus become, one body that is Christ’s, whether Jews or Gentiles, and having become members one of another, are under solemn duty to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace, rising above all sectarian differences, and loving one another with a pure heart fervently (Matt. 16:16–18; Acts 2:42–47; Rom. 12:5; 1 Cor. 12:12–27; Eph. 1:20–23; 4:3–10; Col. 3:14–15).
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Article XVIII—THE BLESSED HOPE
We believe that, according to the Word of God, the next great event in the fulfillment of prophecy will be the coming of the Lord in the air to receive to Himself into heaven both His own who are alive and remain unto His coming, and also all who have fallen asleep in Jesus, and that this event is the blessed hope set before us in the Scripture, and for this we should be constantly looking (John 14:1–3; 1 Cor. 15:51–52; Phil. 3:20; 1 Thess. 4:13–18; Titus 2:11–14).
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Article XIX—THE TRIBULATION
We believe that the translation of the church will be followed by the fulfillment of Israel’s seventieth week (Dan. 9:27; Rev. 6:1–19:21) during which the church, the body of Christ, will be in heaven. The whole period of Israel’s seventieth week will be a time of judgment on the whole earth, at the end of which the times of the Gentiles will be brought to a close. The latter half of this period will be the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer. 30:7), which our Lord called the great tribulation (Matt. 24:15–21). We believe that universal righteousness will not be realized previous to the second coming of Christ, but that the world is day by day ripening for judgment and that the age will end with a fearful apostasy.
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Article XX—THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
We believe that the period of great tribulation in the earth will be climaxed by the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to the earth as He went, in person on the clouds of heaven, and with power and great glory to introduce the millennial age, to bind Satan and place him in the abyss, to lift the curse which now rests upon the whole creation, to restore Israel to her own land and to give her the realization of God’s covenant promises, and to bring the whole world to the knowledge of God (Deut. 30:1–10; Isa. 11:9; Ezek. 37:21–28; Matt. 24:15–25:46; Acts 15:16–17; Rom. 8:19–23; 11:25–27; 1 Tim. 4:1–3; 2 Tim. 3:1–5; Rev. 20:1–3).
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Article XXI—THE ETERNAL STATE
We believe that at death the spirits and souls of those who have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation pass immediately into His presence and there remain in conscious bliss until the resurrection of the glorified body when Christ comes for His own, whereupon soul and body reunited shall be associated with Him forever in glory; but the spirits and souls of the unbelieving remain after death conscious of condemnation and in misery until the final judgment of the great white throne at the close of the millennium, when soul and body reunited shall be cast into the lake of fire, not to be annihilated, but to be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power (Luke 16:19–26; 23:42; 2 Cor. 5:8; Phil. 1:23; 2 Thess. 1:7–9; Jude 6–7; Rev. 20:11–15).
http://www.dts.edu/about/doctrinalstatement/
There are enough of them who post here... LOL...
Such as?
Anyone who says these prophecies concerning Israel already have happened, already... :-)
Of course, for those who do want to find out about the prophecies concerning Israel, the soon coming Rapture of the church, these still yet to be fulfilled —and God’s plan for Israel in the coming 1,000 reign of Christ on this earth in the Millennial Kingdom, then they can listen to Pastor Mark Hitchcock.
He has co-authored a book with John F. Walvoord [ http://www.walvoord.com/ ] and is a pastor of Edmond Faith Bible Church in Oklahoma [ http://www.edmondfaithbible.com/ ] and has Charles Ryrie come and speak at his church at times, too (of the Ryrie Study Bible; NIV Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Publishers; Expanded edition, 1999).
I know this is *too much for you to take*(... LOL...), but some others will enjoy this teaching from Pastor Mark Hitchcock.
Dispensationalism part I
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20071107_W419-1.mp3
by Mark Hitchcock
Dispensationalism Part II
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20071114_w419-2.mp3
by Mark Hitchcock
Dispensationalism Part III
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20071128_w419-3.mp3
by Mark Hitchcock
Dispensationalism Part IV
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20071205_w419-4.mp3
by Dr. Charles Ryrie
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Of course, there’s the pastor preaching on the *false teaching* of Preterism, too. Here are the sermons about the heresy of Preterism...
An Introduction to Preterism
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060111_w3881.mp3
End Times Controversey - Preterism Part 2
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060118_w3882.mp3
A Critique of the Preterist View of Matthew 24 - Preterism Part 3
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060125_w3883.mp3
An Introduction to Preterist Interpretation of Revelation - Preterism Part 4
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060201_w3884.mp3
Was Nero the Beast of Revelation 13 - Preterism Part 5
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060208_w3885.mp3
Preterism and the Date of Revelation 13 - Preterism Part 6
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060215_w3886.mp3
Preterism and the Date of Revelation 13 - Preterism Part 7
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060222_w3887.mp3
Preterism - Questions & Answers - Preterism Part 8
http://media.edmondfaithbible.com/faith/media/mp3/20060301_w3888.mp3
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And for y’all that I also pinged, it’s some good teaching here... by some excellent preachers, as Pastor Mark Hitchcock and Dr. Charles Ryrie (of the Ryrie Study Bible) and so this is teaching from the most excellent Christian sources in Evangelical Christianity, not only coming from these two, but from a very distinguished history in Evangelical Christianity, and even before it was called Evangelical Christianity.
That's not heresy.
Which suggests to me that you cannot articulate this from the Bible yourself. At least you cannot give a defense that will stand up in this forum.
Probably qualifies by God’s judgment for those who are due to be taken out of this world, before they are fully in control of Satan’s lies and doctrines of demons...
No use in reinventing the wheel when almost all of Evangelical Christianity and pastors will do it already... LOL... Heck! It’s so easy gathering all these teachers and preachers that it’s like shooting fish in a barrel...
Just listen to these guys who teach and preach it already... :-)
Besides, it’s not on my good looks or teaching that anyone should be concerned about these things. Take it on their good looks (LOL...) and teaching and preaching. I don’t even have a church to pastor... :-)
Another futurist pipe dream. First you call it heresy, then you make excuses.
Perhaps one of your dispie mentors has a page to help you out.
Hitchcock et al are not here to debate. If you want to stand in, go right ahead. Make your case if you can.
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