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How the New Missal is Being Translated, and Why
CatholicCulture.org ^ | Jun. 10, 2009 | Dr. Jeff Mirus

Posted on 06/12/2009 11:44:17 PM PDT by Salvation

How the New Missal is Being Translated, and Why Posted Jun. 10, 2009 11:42 AM || by Dr. Jeff Mirus ||

Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Paterson (New Jersey) is the chairman of the US Bishops’ Committee on Divine Worship. Last October he addressed the Federation of Diocesan Liturgical Commissions on the significance and goals of the revision of the Roman Missal, currently in progress. The revision is proceeding according to the principles set forth in 2001 in Liturgiam authenticam, an instruction of the Holy See which replaced the document in force since 1969, Comme le Prévoit, now regarded as seriously flawed.

As Bishop Serratelli pointed out, the main difference between the two instructions is that the heady 1969 concept of “dynamic equivalency” is now replaced by a more traditional concept of “formal equivalency”. With “dynamic equivalency”, the translator was encouraged to attempt to capture the concept presented in any given liturgical prayer without attempting to reproduce in the new language the particular words and phrases used in the Latin. This gave translators tremendous leeway and, given the times, led to a marked horizontalization and banalization (if such are words!) of the liturgy. Liturgiam authenticam’s “formal equivalency” insists that not only the underlying concepts but the precise words and phrases used to express them be preserved in the translation, ensuring superior fidelity to the mind of the Church.

What lies beneath this shift is an important liturgical recovery, the understanding that the liturgy is primarily the work of God and that its words and actions are supposed to reflect not so much individual styles of piety as the living Faith of the Church, into which each believer must be incorporated. Or, as Bishop Serratelli put it:

In the liturgy, the words addressed to God and the words spoken to the people voice the Faith of the Church. They are not simply the expression of one individual in one particular place at one time in history. The words used in the liturgy also pass on the faith of the Church from one generation to the next…. The liturgy is the source of the divine life given through the Church as sacrament of salvation. As Pope Paul VI once said, it is also “the first school of the spiritual life, the first gift which we can give to the Christian people who believe and pray with us….”

Bishop Serratelli then went on to enumerate the seven characteristics of the new translation:

  • The translation must capture the teleological focus of the Latin. Latin prayers tend to conclude strongly with a http://www.catholicculture.org:80/commentary/blog.cfm?id=424 or eschatological point. Thus, for example, an English expression such as “grant that we may learn to love the things of heaven by tempering earthly desires” would, following the teleology of the Latin original, be rendered as “grant that by tempering earthly desires we may learn to love the things of heaven.” The first ends on our desires; the second on heaven.
  • Biblical references must be made clear. Examples abound, but the classic one is “Lord I am not worthy to receive you”, which does nothing to recall the Scriptural context on which it is based. This will now be rendered, as it was in the earliest English translations, as “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof”, a clear reference to Matthew 8:8.
  • Patristic references must similarly be made clear. Thus for the memorial of Saint Augustine, we will remember his famous dictum (“If you have received worthily, you are what you have received”) when we pray “May the partaking of the table of Christ sanctify us, we pray, O Lord, that, being made His members, we may be what we have received.”
  • The richness of the Latin vocabulary is to be preserved. Rather than translate a variety of Latin words with the same English word again and again, the variety will be retained: for example, “nourished, fed, recreated, made new” and “we pray, we beseech, we ask”.
  • The translation must preserve the Latin’s poetic qualities. The Latin abounds in concrete images, parallelism, and anthropomorphic expressions. Instead of saying “in your pity hear our prayers”, we will say “in your pity give ear to our prayers.” Similarly, the prayer “Grant us, Lord, to begin with holy fasting this campaign of Christian service that, as we fight against spiritual evils, we may be armed with the weapons of self restraint” will not end up as something anemic and colorless like “Grant that we may fast in order to grow spiritually.”
  • The translation must preserve the exactness of the Latin original, which is already composed in a style befitting the liturgy. For example, a prayerful reflection on the offertory gifts as they are prepared for the sacrifice of the Mass might well read as “grant that we who celebrate the mysteries of the Lord’s Passion may imitate what we enact”, but because the word “enact” is suggestive in English of a performance, it will be translated “may imitate what we now do”. Thus the correct word is chosen to capture the precise meaning of the Latin “agere” in this context.
  • The translation must preserve the concision and nobility of the Latin tone. The language and vocabulary of the street and the supermarket are not appropriate to the liturgy, yet over the past generation or two, our English translations have grown increasingly common, ordinary, informal. This is not the language of public discourse, and such language is not used in the Latin. Neither should it creep into the English translation.

Bishop Serratelli’s address provides as succinct a summary of the purpose of the new translation of the Roman Missal as I have yet seen. You can read the complete text in our library, but this summary is sufficient to acquaint you with the main virtues of the new translation, which is expected to be completed and published before the end of 2010. Further information about the translation, along with catechetical materials designed to introduce it, may be found on the USCCB web site, Order of Mass Translation.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; cult; eucharist; icel; latin; liturgiamauthenticam; mass; missal; serratelli; usccb
It's coming!

Sloooooooowly. Was origianally going to be finished in 2009, now 2010. It can't come soon enough for me!

The next best thing would be Latin.

1 posted on 06/12/2009 11:44:18 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: All
Teaching the New Missal - Some Parishes Already Gearing Up for Mass Changes
2 posted on 06/12/2009 11:45:52 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

“The next best thing would be Latin.”
And then put females back in skirts. Knee-length or longer.


3 posted on 06/12/2009 11:47:03 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Tax-chick

From what my priest was telling me, the Pope has asked the Bishops and priests to begin teaching these changes IMMEDIATELY!

Last week our priest taught about the words “this sacrifice, yours and mine” which has been in the Spanish — don’t know about the other languages.


4 posted on 06/12/2009 11:48:06 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...
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5 posted on 06/12/2009 11:51:31 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

bumpus ad summum


6 posted on 06/13/2009 12:24:17 AM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: Salvation
The translation must preserve the exactness of the Latin original,

...except "hominem" will be translated as " ".

7 posted on 06/13/2009 12:25:44 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Salvation

I would think that Italian and Spanish, being so close to Latin, must be much easier to translate.


8 posted on 06/13/2009 12:53:39 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Sure but don't forget how many languages, with no romance roots, that the mass has been translated into.

I always find it fascinating to think of the diverse people all around the world coming face to face with the Lord through the Eucharist.

Gloria in Tagalog

Papuri Papuri sa Diyos sa kaitaasan at sa lupa’y kapayapaan sa mga taong kinalulugdan niya. Pinupuri ka namin, dinarangal ka namin, sinasamba ka namin, ipinagbubunyi ka namin, pinasasalamatan ka namin, dahil sa dakila mong angking kapurihan. Panginoong Diyos, hari ng langit, Diyos Amang makapangyarihan sa lahat. Panginoong Jesukristo, bugtong na Anak, Panginoong Diyos, kordero ng Diyos, Anak ng Ama. Ikaw na nag-aalis ng mga kasalanan ng sanlibutan, maawa ka sa amin. Ikaw na nag-aalis ng mga kasalanan ng sanlibutan, tanggapin mo ang aming kahilingan. Ikaw na naluklok sa kanan ng Ama, maawa ka sa amin. Sapagkat ikaw lamang ang banal, ikaw lamang ang Panginoon, ikaw lamang, O Jesukristo, ang kataastaasan, kasama ng Espiritu Santo sa kadakilaan ng Diyos Ama. Amen.

9 posted on 06/13/2009 3:33:33 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: worst-case scenario

Well until I have my “minor surgery”, I HAVE to wear dark pants, forget about the dresses for now. Please keep me in prayer. Thanks. If you want to know, I will FRper mail to you.:)


10 posted on 06/13/2009 3:41:35 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Indeed....and we have some examples right here in North America:

http://mysite.verizon.net/driadzbubl/IndianMasses.html

Gloria in Mohawk

Gloria in Excelsis Deo. Nok nonwentsiake skennen kenhak nonkwe iakonikonhriio. Tekwanonweratons. Kwatsennonniase. Kwasennaiens. Kwaronhiaientons. Kwatonraseronse tsini akwa saiatanehrakwat. Sewenniio iesennakeraton Niio iahte sanoronse. Sewenniio sonha Hiaienha Niio Iesos Kristos. Sewenniio hetsenikonhraiewenthos Hianiha Niio. Seriwahtontha kariwaneren katakwentenr nisa. Seriwahtontha kariwaneren satontat onen nonwa ne kwennitha. Ne satiens tsi raweientehtakon Hianiha katakwentenr nisa. Aseken sonha saiatatokenti. Sonha Sewenniio. Sonha tsiatanoron Iesos Kristos. Rotkon Roiatatokenti Niio Roniha ietsisennaiens. Etho naiawen.


11 posted on 06/13/2009 4:04:40 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Salvation

That will be nice, on the occasions I attend English Mass.


12 posted on 06/13/2009 4:12:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I just had a baby, so I may not respond to your post. Nothing personal.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

This has nothing to do with the difficulty of translating it into English. The reason for this bad “translation” in the first place was that the ICEL was very liberal and wanted to manipulate the theology expressed in the mass text. Hence the refusal to use sacred language, the dropping of words, blatant mistranslation of others, etc.

Latin and modern Spanish are also very far apart from each other, but the Spanish translation is better because the Spanish, at that time, weren’t trying to undermine the Faith, whereas a lot of the American “liturgists” and “scholars” were trying to do just that.


13 posted on 06/13/2009 4:51:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: Salvation

Will they similarly rewrite the Liturgy of the Hours?


14 posted on 06/13/2009 5:19:58 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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To: Straight Vermonter
...except "hominem" will be translated as " ".

I noticed that in the latest White Book version, qui propter nos homines in the creed is translated "who for us men".

Maybe the Vatican said "no" to dropping "men" in that instance.

15 posted on 06/13/2009 5:43:51 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: COBOL2Java
Will they similarly rewrite the Liturgy of the Hours?

Yes, that's the plan.

16 posted on 06/13/2009 5:45:09 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Biggirl

You are in my prayers as well. Peace and blessings.


17 posted on 06/13/2009 7:33:15 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: livius

We have a english/spanish missal, with english and spanish on facing pages. I always wondered why the spanish translation was so different. I wonder if some US bishops got upset that the spanish masses were closer to what it was “supposed” to be north of the border.

Freegards


18 posted on 06/13/2009 8:47:20 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: livius
Latin and modern Spanish are also very far apart from each other, but the Spanish translation is better because the Spanish, at that time, weren’t trying to undermine the Faith, whereas a lot of the American “liturgists” and “scholars” were trying to do just that.

Spot on!

19 posted on 06/13/2009 9:04:06 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: livius

** The reason for this bad “translation” in the first place was that the ICEL was very liberal and wanted to manipulate the theology expressed in the mass text. Hence the refusal to use sacred language, the dropping of words, blatant mistranslation of others, etc.**

Bumping that notion in agreement!


20 posted on 06/13/2009 10:30:03 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: COBOL2Java

As I understand — Pope Benedict has said that the NAB is an abomination and needs to be cleaned out and cleaned up. I know that the Liturgy of the Hours comes from other Bibles, but I do expect some changes. What do you think?


21 posted on 06/13/2009 10:31:29 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: livius

**Latin and modern Spanish are also very far apart from each other, but the Spanish translation is better because the Spanish, at that time, weren’t trying to undermine the Faith, whereas a lot of the American “liturgists” and “scholars” were trying to do just that.**

I’ve always thought it was Benrnardin’s Boys who corrupted the ICEL, but have never known for sure. Any information there from you?


22 posted on 06/13/2009 10:33:43 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
AWESOME!


23 posted on 06/13/2009 10:40:13 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Salvation

Will the “Our Father” once more end with “And deliver us from evil. AMEN.”?

Will the “Sign of Peace” be retained?

What about the “St. John’s Gospel”?


24 posted on 06/13/2009 11:10:02 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: Dionysius

**Will the “Our Father” once more end with “And deliver us from evil. AMEN.”?**

Don’t know about that one.

The CREDO will begin correctly, however, “I believe.”


25 posted on 06/13/2009 11:14:48 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Dionysius

**Will the “Sign of Peace” be retained?**

I believe so, but it will be moved to either the beginning of the Mass or the Beginning of the Liturgy of the Eucharist. It will be taken OUT of the Communion Rite! Hooray.


26 posted on 06/13/2009 11:16:00 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Dionysius

**What about the “St. John’s Gospel”?**

Not sure I know what you are meaning here. As I understand it, the Pope has asked that the English translation of the Bible be cleaned out of all the liberalism and then cleaned up to match the Latin Vulgate. Not sure when this will happen however.


27 posted on 06/13/2009 11:17:46 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
As I understand — Pope Benedict has said that the NAB is an abomination and needs to be cleaned out and cleaned up. I know that the Liturgy of the Hours comes from other Bibles, but I do expect some changes. What do you think?

I would certainly not miss the NAB translation for the scripture readings in the breviary. I much prefer the RSV Catholic edition; if I recall, it's the translation that is used in the Canadian Dioceses.

28 posted on 06/13/2009 1:54:30 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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To: COBOL2Java; annalex

The only reason I post the NAB first on the Daily and Sunday Readings is because of the layout with the live links. By the first 10 posts, everyone has a translation from the RSV and the Jerusalem Bibles.

Then later in the day, annalex posts the Douay Rheims and Vulgate.

Every thread has FIVE, yes, five translations. People can pick and choose. LOL!


29 posted on 06/13/2009 2:03:50 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
I probably have all of them - it helps me prepare for interpreting the Mass into ASL. Don't forget the New English Bible - of all the translations, it has the most beautiful rendition of the Psalms:
O God, thou art my God, I seek thee early
with a heart that thirsts for thee
and a body wasted with longing for thee,
like a dry and thirsty land that has no water.
So longing, I come before thee in the sanctuary
to look upon thy power and glory.
Thy true love is better than life;
therefore I will sing thy praises.
And so I bless thee all my life
and in thy name lift my hands in prayer.
I am satisfied as with a rich and sumptuous feast
and wake the echoes with thy praise.
  -Psalm 63:1-5

30 posted on 06/13/2009 2:17:26 PM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: Salvation

I cannot wait. Seeing “Credo” and “WE believe” side by side drives me nuts.

Next to go — the OCP ditties. Oh puleez Lord, in my lifetime.


31 posted on 06/13/2009 2:35:42 PM PDT by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: COBOL2Java

New English Bible? First I have ever heard of it.

What is ASL?

Do you have a link for that New English Bible? It sounds wonderful.


32 posted on 06/13/2009 2:43:39 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: bboop

I think they will fall by the wayside too. Our priest is constantly introducing new and very reverant hymns at Daily Mass. He has a wonderful voice.


33 posted on 06/13/2009 2:44:50 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Don't forget the New English Bible

I also like the Revised English Bible, a revision of the New English Bible.

34 posted on 06/13/2009 3:04:12 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Salvation
Here's a reference in Wikipedia: New English Bible

ASL = American Sign Language. I'm an interpreter for the deaf. :-)

35 posted on 06/13/2009 3:41:32 PM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: bdeaner

That Missal is incredible. The richness of the faith that is poured onto the pages is truly awesome!


36 posted on 06/13/2009 6:27:23 PM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: Salvation

Don’t hold me to “later in the day”. Recently, I had trouble posting from home due to computer problems, and at work — too much work.

In a week, I will be on a short vacation.

So, there may be interruptions. But I do catch up.


37 posted on 06/13/2009 6:42:59 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Understandable. That has happened to me too.


38 posted on 06/14/2009 12:14:11 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: COBOL2Java

My daughter teaches at a school where there are many deaf students and she has learned this.

Great language with a lot of it make very good sense to the eye.


39 posted on 06/14/2009 12:15:45 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

It can’t come soon enough for me!

The next best thing would be Latin.

^^^
Agree and agree, FRiend.

Will we soon have these?

“I believe” and not “We believe” at the Credo

and

“And with your spirit” (Et cum spirity tuo) instead of “And also with you”

And please, please let there be no more “sign of peace”.


40 posted on 06/14/2009 12:55:53 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: worst-case scenario

And then put females back in skirts. Knee-length or longer.

&&&
Sorry, I don’t think that’s in the scope of this undertaking. (Good goal, though.)


41 posted on 06/14/2009 12:58:07 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: Bigg Red

Did you see what I posted above that supposedly the Sign of Peace is slated to be moved out of the Communion Rite and closer to the beginning of the Liturgy of the Eucharist — would be best at the beginning of the Mass, maybe.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 1:17:21 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
would be best at the beginning of the Mass, maybe.

There are some ancient liturgies in which the kiss of peace is placed at the end of the prayers of the faithful. That placement makes a lot of sense to me and would not interrupt the action, as the current placement does. Come to think of it, the beginning of the prayers of the faithful (which I think is without precendent) would take that concept to its logical conclusion and makes sense from a theological and a scriptural sense.

At the beginning of the offeratory is also consistent with the notion of being at peace with your brother before bringing your offering to the altar.

43 posted on 06/15/2009 5:52:51 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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