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Eight myths about the Bible
Norfolk LDS Church Examiner ^ | June 22 | Greg West

Posted on 06/22/2009 7:01:44 PM PDT by delacoert

Latter-day Saints love the Bible and believe it as scripture. Indeed, Joseph Smith went so far as to say that we are the only people who truly believe it as it is written. Modern, sectarian Christians hang Bible verses like ornaments on an artificial tree constructed of man-made creeds, ignoring the passages which conflict with or contradict their doctrines. In the process, they have allowed a number of myths about the Bible to be promulgated because it serves their own ends. The following eight myths are summarized from "Here We Stand" by Joseph Fielding McConkie (1995, Deseret Book) McConkie is a professor of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University.

1. The Bible is a single book

McConkie points out that the Bible is a collection of books which were gathered together by men over thousands of years. The Jewish Bible consists of 24 books that Christians call the Old Testament. The actual books that are agreed upon by Jews came from a council in 90 A.D. in Jamnia (near Joppa, Israel). At his council, it became so contentious that it resulted in bloodshed. (McConkie, 36)

Christians have divided these 24 books into 39 and ordered them differently. Their version of the Old Testament comes from the Greek Septuagint, which was rejected by Jews, because of the influence of Greek thought and the inclusion of the Apocrypha. Catholics accept the Apocrypha as scripture because they sustain otherwise unscriptural doctrines, such as masses for the dead and the existence of Purgatory. (McConkie, 37-38)

The origin of the New Testament begins with two second-century heretics. Marcion, a bishop's son and a wealthy ship owner, was the first to create a canonical list of books. His list rejected the Old Testament entirely as scripture and "was closed to all but ten of the epistles of Paul and the Gospel of Luke." Macrion's false teachings caused him to be excommunicated from the ancient Church. Macrion's excommunication was so final that the Church gave him back all the money he had donated.(McConkie, 38)

The second "heretic" was Montanus who declared that he was the incarnation of the Holy Ghost promised by the Savior to come. He denounced the absence of revelation in the church and the lack of spiritual gifts. To counteract his claims, the church began to teach that there would be no further disruptive revelations and that the canon of scripture was closed.

Over the next two centuries, Origen of Alexandria divided the books in his New Testament into classes of acknowledged books and disputed texts. The list of disputed books included James, 2nd and 3rd John, 2nd Peter, Jude, the Letter of Barnabas, and the Shepherd of Hermas. This constituted the oldest Greek manuscript, consisting of 29 books. (McConkie, 39)

Eusebius of Caesaria omitted not only the Shepherd and Barnabas from his list, but also the Book of Revelation. Most Greek manuscripts omit it also. Other disputed books which Eusebius rejected were the Acts of Paul, the Revelation of Peter, and the Teachings of the Apostles. (McConkie, 39)

In 367 A.D., Athanasius sent an Easter letter to the churches of his diocese, listing the books approved for reading in the church. This list matches the current-day New Testament. Thus it wasn't until the fourth century that there was any consensus on which books comprised the Bible.

2. The Bible preceded doctrine

Since the Bible didn't exist in its current form in the time of the Bible, how did it then form the basis for the doctrines taught by Jesus, Peter, Paul and the other apostles? "The book was created by the church, not the church by the book." (McConkie, 40) An example of doctrine preceding the Bible would be the Nicene Creed, which was devised by a council in 325 A.D. The doctrine of the Trinity emerged from this council, which took place after the church had declared that revelation had ceased, but before the time that the canon of the Bible was agreed upon. (McConkie, 41)

3. True religion is Bible religion

Since the Bible didn't exist in the time of Peter and Paul. "No one who lived within the time period of the Bible ever had a Bible." (McConkie, 41) Therefore, their religion was not "Bible religion." The Bible is the testimony that God interacts with man via revelation and spiritual gifts, directly and personally. It was not based solely upon the words of God to ancient prophets, but to living ones. Why should it not be so today?

4. Everything in the Bible is the Word of God

The Bible is the word of God so far as it is translated correctly, but every word in it was not uttered by God. The Bible contains the words of the devil to Adam and Eve in the Garden and to Jesus Christ during his temptation in the wilderness. It contains the words of Adam, Eve, a serpent, angels, prophets, apostles, and their scribes. It even contains the words spoken by Balaam's mule, who chastened him for his cruel treatment. All these are in addition to the words of God spoken to prophets and the words of Jesus Christ himself. (McConkie, 43)

5. The canon is closed 

Nowhere in the books of the Bible does it say that the canon of scripture is closed. Many will refer to the last lines of Revelation to claim that the book cannot be added to. Since the Bible didn't exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation of John, it couldn't refer to the Bible as a whole. The Revelation remained a disputed book for two centuries after John penned it. Thus the commandment that it should not be added to must refer to that particular scroll which John wrote. We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of Revelation in the chronological sequence of Bible texts. The apostle John told us that "...there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one...that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

A similar interdiction against adding to God's word appears in Deuteronomy. Following the logic of those who say the Bible can't be added to because of John's statement, we must consider tossing anything that comes after Moses and Deuteronomy. Man's rejection of further revelation is an attempt to "mute" God and deny that he has power to reveal anything new or essential to mankind. It defends the status quo, having a "form of godliness" but denies the power thereof. Since the Bible itself doesn't claim to contain all God's words, it would require a revelation from God to tell us that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, persipicacious, and the final authority in all things. Thus, you can see the quandary: it would require a revelation to tell us that there will be no more revelation. The position is logically untenable.

6. The Bible can be interpreted independent of a predetermined ideology

McConkie poses a hypothetical situation. Suppose an angel took a copy of the Bible to a people who had no knowledge of it whatsoever and had no predetermined views on its contents. Suppose they built up a church using the Bible as their guide. Can we realistically imagine that they would, using the Bible alone, come up with anything remotely resembling the doctrine of the Trinity? Neither can we imagine that they would come up with a doctrine that one is saved solely by God's grace, without the requirement of faith and obedience to the commandments of God and the ordinances. (McConkie, 50)

The Bible doesn't clearly explain how to baptize, who can perform the ordinance, and at what age the ordinance the ordinance can take place. It doesn't explain the duties of bishops, deacons, and elders and what are the limits of their ecclesiastical authority.

Thus everyone, including Mormons, must interpret the Bible through an ideological lens. The lens the Jew uses is different than the Christian. The historian will use a different lens altogether. The Mormon's view must necessarily differ from that of Jews, the Christians, and the historian. This realization is important, because we must understand that, without modern day revelation to guide us, one Bible interpretation is no more authoritative than another. The restoration of the Gospel, the First Vision, the Book of Mormon, all provide additional light and knowledge that give us the keys to interpret the Bible correctly.

Without revelation, it would be impossible to determine whose interpretation is correct, because each interpretation will be influenced by the world view of its proponents. The same scriptures that convince a Jew that it is unlawful to turn on a light switch on the Sabbath day also convince him that Jesus couldn't have been the Messiah. (McConkie, 48) The same Bible that convinces Christians to proclaim an end to revelation and miracles also led a young Joseph Smith to "ask of God" and receive a glorious vision of the Father and the Son.

7. To know the Bible is to understand it

The Bible is probably the most misquoted book in existence. Paul is probably the most misquoted person ever. The Bible was written by living oracles of God to people who were accustomed to and accepting of the principle of contemporary revelation from God. The counsel and guidance the apostles gave were to people who had a shared understanding. It makes no sense to preach grace to those who haven't repented, been baptized,and had a remission of their sins. It doesn't add up to teach about spiritual gifts and the fruits of the spirit to those who have no right to them. The scriptures don't ask the reader to accept Christ as a personal Savior or to make a committment for Christ, because it is addressed to those who had already accepted Christ by covenant. (McConkie, 53)

The cafeteria-style doctrinal approach of contemporary Christian churches is the result of their rejection of modern revelation as a possibility. Without revelation to guide, one must try to cobble together some theology by picking and choosing what fits into one's world view and reject the rest as "metaphors" or "symbolism." (McConkie, 54)

8. The Bible is common ground in missionary work

This statement applies especially to Latter-day Saints. We often assume that the Bible is the common ground from which we can build understanding. If there was any semblance of agreement in modern Christianity, do you think there would be a thousand quarelling sects and denominations? (McConkie, 54) Joseph Smith went into the grove to pray because he came to the conclusion that it was impossible to find out which Church he should join by studying the Bible alone. This is a true statement.

In this "war of words" and "contest of opinions" that rages in Christendom, the only way to find the truth is to "ask of God." (James 1:5) Thus the Book of Mormon becomes the preeminent tool for conversion. It offers clear and plain gospel teachings free of sectarian interpretations. It clarifies the Bible's teachings and helps identify the interpolations of men. It also identifies to the sincere seeker, where and how to locate the conduit of personal revelation for himself, independent of anyone or anything else.

Latter-day Saints will be more effective by teaching the gospel from the Book of Mormon than from any other source. We should encourage all interested parties to seek truth in prayer and from the Book of Mormon. Finding the truth in this manner identifies the means of obtaining personal revelation, the source of restored authority, how to obtain the ordinances of salvation, and how to live in such a manner as to obtain and keep a remission of one's sins.


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KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; bible; doctrine; falseprophets; gospel; gregwest; heresy; heretics; lds; mormon; myths
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Starts out with "The Bible is a single book" and goes downhill from there.

Maybe you'l recognize the name of the author. It explains everything.

1 posted on 06/22/2009 7:01:45 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert

Bold to say ‘leave the Bible alone and focus the mark’s mind upon the book of mormon from Joe smith’.


2 posted on 06/22/2009 7:10:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: delacoert

Wow there’s so many half-truths one hardly knows where to begin.


3 posted on 06/22/2009 7:11:38 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; Godzilla; Tennessee Nana; Elsie; Zakeet; SkyPilot; ...

Wouldn’t want you folks to miss this one!


4 posted on 06/22/2009 7:12:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: delacoert
West complains that anti-mormons as he calls them always need to air their complaints. He does say this on his muti paged blogg and hundreds of articles .........LOL
5 posted on 06/22/2009 7:13:58 PM PDT by svcw (Barry: mentally deficient & narcissistic megonogistic megalomaniac psychopath w/ paranoid delusions)
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To: delacoert
Maybe you'l recognize the name of the author. It explains everything.

I have a message for Greg "SpamLDS" West:


6 posted on 06/22/2009 7:18:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Theology is the Queen Of The Sciences)
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To: delacoert

INTREP


7 posted on 06/22/2009 7:19:32 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: OneWingedShark

Wow there’s so many half-truths one hardly knows where to begin.

Please begin anyway. I would like to know what they are. Some of what he said sounded interesting.


8 posted on 06/22/2009 7:30:44 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: delacoert

Let Me Understand You

The book is based on Reformed Egyptian, but there is not even a fragment of Reformed Egyptian in the world.

The book mentions places and cities which do not exist in the western hemisphere.

The book alleges that the Native Americans are descended from the Middle East, when genetic studies associate them with Mongolia and northeast Asia.

The book is loaded with grammatical errors and is a difficult read due to its poor composition.

The book originated from Golden Plates, but there are no gold plates to be found.

The book has nearly 4000 changes in it since its first printing, including important changes of meaning.

The book includes words with Greek, French and Latin origins, all languages which didn’t emerge on the world scene until centuries after the people sailed from the Middle East to the new world.

The book speaks of steel, a fairly recent technology.

The book mentions critters that weren’t in the western hemisphere in those days.

The book speaks of 2,000,000 guys wiping each other out in one day of battle, dwarfing by many times the bloodiest days of battle in known military history. That’s 42.3 men killed every second for 12 hours! That’s twice the population of Salt Lake County! And every man is K I A; none were left wounded!

The book allegedly had witnesses, but the witnesses of the gold plates later said that they didn’t actually see the plates with their physical eyes.

The book alleges to contain the fullness of the gospel, but doesn’t include baptism for the dead, age 8 as the age of accountability, men becoming gods, temple marriage, the temple ceremony, temple garments, God once a man, multiple other gods in other universes, blood atonement, water for the sacrament, the Adam God doctrine, three heavens, preexistence, God having a body, Jesus as a lesser god, family sealings or any other doctrine unique and vital to the Church.

The book copies passages directly from the King James Version of the Bible, including the italicized words supplied by the KJV translators in the 1600’s.

The book’s original language is allegedly verified by a professor of Greek and Latin at Columbia, but he wrote a letter denying the allegation, calling the book a scam.

The book’s author was a convicted con man who lied, cheated, stole, started a fraudulent bank, wrote and uttered lists of false prophecies, married other mens’ wives while publicly denying it, married young teen girls, boasted that he did it better than Jesus, and destroyed another man’s printing press.

And you want me to close my eyes and pray about the book to see if it’s true?


9 posted on 06/22/2009 7:33:23 PM PDT by lurk
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So the Bible isn't a living breathing document to be changed to fit the times?? I guess I'm a strict originalist.....
10 posted on 06/22/2009 7:33:56 PM PDT by jakerobins ( NO)
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To: JAKraig
Cults have been spewing this nonsense for centuries. I can't find anywhere in the Gospels a word about super glasses that are supposed to give you the “true” insight into the teachings of Christ.

Mormonism belongs with other cults on the ash heap of Gnosticism.

11 posted on 06/22/2009 7:35:44 PM PDT by Patrick1 (I'm not calling in sick; I'm calling in gone!)
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To: jakerobins

Adam disobeys God and eats an apple and for that every human in the history of the world had to suffer . Hmmmm...while I believe in Christ / God the Bible , especially the Old Testament , is enough to make even the most fervent Christian have doubts ...


12 posted on 06/22/2009 7:38:26 PM PDT by sushiman
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Adam disobeyed GOD and ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Never says apple( to my knowledge). They committed sin by placing their own desires above what GOD told them. So sin entered the world. Painfull childbirth and thorns on fruit.... I think mostly symbolism...However I do believe their was an actual Adam and Eve just as I believe there was an actual JESUS.


13 posted on 06/22/2009 7:47:33 PM PDT by jakerobins ( NO)
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To: JAKraig

The first lie I see is, "The origin of the New Testament begins with two second-century heretics."

It is more than a little repulsive to say that the origin of the NT is connected with heresy, let alone to say that heresy is at the beginning. Anyone worth taking serious begins by talking about the origins of the books of the new testament. West just wants to highlight disagreement.

14 posted on 06/22/2009 7:47:35 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim; imperat animus sibi, et resistitur -- Augustini)
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To: delacoert
Indeed, Joseph Smith went so far as to say that we are the only people who truly believe it as it is written.

WHAT??

How to explain the JST and the Articles of Faith that states:

"as long as it's translated correctly"?

15 posted on 06/22/2009 7:47:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sushiman

Actually, he ate from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil by his own volition independent from the volition of God, which God had previously told him not to eat thereof.


16 posted on 06/22/2009 7:47:45 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: lurk

***And you want me to close my eyes and pray about the book to see if it’s true?***

Take a little “Dave’s Insanity Sauce” first. It gives a real good “burning in the boosom” plus a few other places!


17 posted on 06/22/2009 7:54:26 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (A modern liberal is someone who doesn't care what you do so long as it is compulsory.)
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To: JAKraig

The next big lie that strikes me is the author's attempt to draw this clean line of responsibility for choosing the NT canon by connecting the dots between Marcion, Montanus, Origen, etc. It is nonsense to attribute such authority over cannon to this list of handpicked heretics.

18 posted on 06/22/2009 8:17:09 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim; imperat animus sibi, et resistitur -- Augustini)
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To: delacoert

Do you believe the Bible was created as a single book, or as a compilation of many books and letters?


19 posted on 06/22/2009 8:30:51 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: OneWingedShark

Give a try!


20 posted on 06/22/2009 8:31:20 PM PDT by TheDon
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