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The papacy 1,000 years ago
National Catholic Reporter ^ | June 22, 2009 | Richard McBrien

Posted on 06/22/2009 7:28:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Quix

And that Jesus did’t found the Catholic church...


21 posted on 06/22/2009 8:03:44 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

He pays himself. Yes, he also receives a university salary, but he is a prolific author and probably makes much more money from that.


22 posted on 06/22/2009 8:03:44 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Quix
so is anything which challenges to the least degree any hint of idolatrous sensibilities toward persons, images, traditions, offices, customs, RELIGIOUS ASSUMPTIONS, structures etc. etc. etc.

Such notions must be corrected.

Though, interestingly, The Bible doesn’t seem to ‘earn’ such fierce protective rants from the ‘faithful.’

We hold it as Sacred and necessary, but it's not the only source of teaching. It is one of three pillars of the Faith along with Sacred Tradition (which is regularly maligned) and the Magisterium - and in the form of a closed canon, is the newest of the three. Scripture is. Several of the basic Catholic prayers are direct quotes, mostly from the Gospel according to Luke.

I would venture to say that INTERPRETATIONS of various readings spur just as many arguments as various teachings on the use of religious art.

23 posted on 06/22/2009 8:03:56 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: Salvation

Who said the RC’s had a corner on

Biblical or Theological silliness?


24 posted on 06/22/2009 8:04:13 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: BipolarBob

Exactly.


25 posted on 06/22/2009 8:04:14 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: BipolarBob

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

Which is clear and plain Bible truth!


26 posted on 06/22/2009 8:04:53 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RobbyS

I got that impression! LOL.


27 posted on 06/22/2009 8:05:22 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: BipolarBob

You are getting the wrong information from somewhere.

How could the Angel Gabriel address her “Hail, Mary, full of grace,”

if she were not holy enough to be a tablernacle, in fact, the Ark of the New Covenant, for Jesus Christ in her womb?

She was very HOLY. Did not even Elizabeth address her:

“Blessed art thou among women.” ??

“And blessed is the fruit of your womb.”??

To Elizabeth’s last statement, Catholics add the word, “Jesus” when we say the Hail Mary.

Please don’t rely on your falsehood sources. Read Luke again and again and pray about it.


28 posted on 06/22/2009 8:05:29 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Marysecretary

True. True!

Though I should probably end my recreational tweaking!


29 posted on 06/22/2009 8:06:46 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: BipolarBob

She was a normal person, but she was not a middle-class American, nor was she like the orthodox Jews of later times, the Jews of the Talmudic period. However, like Jews of all times, she belonged to an extended family, and probably was related to almost all the people of Nazareth. Which would give special poignancy to the rejection of Jesus by the people of his town.


30 posted on 06/22/2009 8:07:45 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: vladimir998
The local bishop has no say over anything McBrien does really. McBrien is an order priest, if I recall correctly.

I think he's diocesan, but not from that diocese. But, yes, the local bishop has no control over him. And, of course, dissent sells.

31 posted on 06/22/2009 8:08:08 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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To: Desdemona

I was just speaking as an observer . . . a very trained psychological/ sociological observer

of the differences in fierceness and emotional intensity of the relative posts re:

Mary
The Pope
The Magisterical
The Edifice
The Structure
!!!!TRADITION!!!!
The Saints
etc. etc. etc.

compared to

similar re the Bible.

Quite a difference.

How do you explain it to the person in your mirror?


32 posted on 06/22/2009 8:08:40 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Salvation

Ahhhhh yes,

the RUBBER DICTIONARY strikes again! LOL.


33 posted on 06/22/2009 8:09:23 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: vladimir998

Doesn’t matter. All priests in South Bend must have faculties from the bishop of South Bend, and are under his authority in other ways as well.

And a cleric living in concubinage is in violation of canon law. The only thing protecting McBrien from laicization is the absence of testosterone in the bloodstreams of the relevant authorities.

McBrien is a priest of the Diocese of Bridgeport, IIRC. Which is an indictment of the bishop of Bridgeport, as well as the bishop of South Bend.


34 posted on 06/22/2009 8:10:15 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: muawiyah

You wrote:

“...should contact him as soon as possible about one of the ancestors who was a Cardinal (1400s France ~ a common occurrence in those days in that place).”

Common occurence? There were only about 18 cardinals in 1386 and about two-thirds of those were French. In 1417 there were 23 cardinals. There were never many.


35 posted on 06/22/2009 8:11:17 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Who pays him?

The MSM?

36 posted on 06/22/2009 8:11:51 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: vladimir998

Common in the sense of Cardinals having descendants.


37 posted on 06/22/2009 8:14:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BipolarBob; Quix

Where is the evidence that Mary was not a perpetual virgin?


38 posted on 06/22/2009 8:15:52 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

In the New Testament.

Rubber dictionaries do not negate it.


39 posted on 06/22/2009 8:18:27 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
I was just speaking as an observer . . . a very trained psychological/ sociological observer

Well, now THAT's interesting.

BTW, it's MAGISTERIUM, not Magisterical (as Des does her best Hermoine from Harry Potter impression).

Well, jeez, I don't think any of us have ever attacked or denigrated the Bible. We just think of it differently. Christ is the center of life and it is part of Sacred Tradition and His teaching. We take it as a whole and the various instructions are taught in digestible chunks at Mass. We don't take an exacto knife and pull out verses and make them suit our purposes, though. I do wish we would stick to the Douay-Rheims translation, though. The others are so bad.

Strange that you didn't include the theology of church architecture in that list.

40 posted on 06/22/2009 8:21:06 PM PDT by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue. http://www.thekingsmen.us/)
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