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Posted on 07/25/2009 2:40:04 AM PDT by Quix
You’re welcome! Let me know if you do, what you think of it.
I think you’re right, but if that’s the picture, she is definitely NOT on the cross and it looks like her arm is pointing toward the cross and not draping it. But from the size and angle of the picture it’s nearly impossible to tell.
My brother-in-law used to go there every summer to go surfing, he loved it.
INDEED.
Which is a persistent . . . heretical element . . .
in a huge percentage of Marian junk.
A lot of it is ‘nuanced’ such that folks can sort of claim
“Oh, that’s not there . . . “
While the faithful continue to behave as though it’s ‘there’ in quadruplicate.
The Mormon multiple wives sects come to mind . . . when around outsiders . . . certain words are used in euphemistic ways. Yet the insiders know what the reality of the ‘other side’ of the words is all about.
Honestly, Dear Heart,
some of the folks in the Vatican related rabid cliques are the masters and originators of that ilk of thing on such threads. And their relentlessly obsessive displays of such are Olympic class.
I understand that some of them are of the ilk of ‘being more Roman Catholic than the Pope.’ I don’t really find that a very viable excuse, however.
It’s a dreadful habit, spirit, attitude, practice. And it accruse some . . . educational experiences that are significantly less than fun regardless of how long they take to be delivered.
For some, that delivery date is getting markedly shorter.
I know, my FRiend.
We see things differently.
But the thing that I really adore about you is that in the end, your passion for YOUR faith is not based on how bad mine is.
I feel the same about yours.
AGREED.
One of the things I like about you, too.
And, as long as your FAITH is wholesale IN CHRIST and SALVATION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION . . .
Then I don’t even have any significant quibble about YOUR FAITH.
Wow Quix, we do have alot in common.
I feel exactly the same way. Why is it that when enlightened saints such as Evangelist Joyce Meyers opine with their personal spiritual enlightenment, it is perfectly normal. (I think she’s great)
Yet biblical scholars, Catholic Theologians, men and women who have given everything up for our God, opine with their spiritual enlightenment as Catholics, and some people go nuts claiming they aren’t citing gospel passages verbatum?
Agreed, why the duplicity?
As you likely know . . . given the fingers in cheek character of your post and query . . .
IT DEPENDS.
Some Roman Catholic sources who’ve ‘given up all’ seem to write from an authentic heart for God, a truly Biblical perspective out of an authentic RELATIONSHIP with God submitted to His priorities.
Many don’t.
I think you also know that Joyce Meyers
gets shredded regularly by Evangelicals, too.
Some folks of all labels just insist on trying to put and keep God in a tiny tidy rigid littl personal box.
He will never fit and neither will a lot of His servants.
"Calvin and Calvinism
CALVIN BELIEVED IN RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION
The outstanding work of Calvin, from a practical point of view, was his municipal dictatorship in the city of Geneva. The literature on the subject is exhaustive. Striking instances of discipline in Geneva are these:
A man was banished from the city for three months because he heard an ass bray and said jestingly, "He prays a beautiful Psalm."
Three men who had laughed during a sermon were imprisoned for three days.
Three children were punished because they remained outside of a church to eat some cakes.
A child was whipped publicly for calling his mother a thief.
A girl who struck her parents was beheaded.
A person was imprisoned for four days because he wanted to call his child Claude (the name of a Catholic saint) instead of Abraham.
It can be seen from the above that many of the persecutions which John Calvin endured were not for "well doing" (1 Peter 2:15): they were for carrying on like a fool engaged in trying to "bring in his Kingdom."
In Geneva, a secret police was forged under the name of The Consistory. Every home was compulsorily examined and searched. The City was divided into districts and committees of the Consistory were empowered to search and interrogate all residents without previous notice. Attendance at public worship was commanded and watchmen were directed to see that people went to church. The one thing that Calvin did not endorse was religious liberty.
From 1541 to 1546, John Calvin caused 58 people to be executed and seventy six were exiled. His victims ranged in age from 16 to 80. The most common capital offense was the opposition to infant baptism. Today, baptism only for accountable believers, is a Baptist distinctive. In Calvin's time it was punished either by drowning, a drawn out and slow burning at the stake, or beheading. All this was done in public, with city residents compelled to watch the butchery. The executions were spaced out so as to exert a continuing policy of fear and terror. Others were killed for advocating local church autonomy; opposing the tie-in of church and state: and preaching that Christ died for all sinners (unlimited atonement). Press censorship continued in Geneva until the eighteenth century."
I wonder how much of it is true.
I am not sure. I don't know too much about Calvinists, thank God.
Not at all my kind of Sunday School teacher by a wide margin!
Hideous to the max.
I don’t think, Petronski, that there’s 0.00% to it. We’ve known for a long time that none of the folks on either side of things back then . . . or now, for that matter . . .
were better than
. . . flawed humans . . . some extremely horrifically flawed.
Humans are pretty much the same the world over
in any era
of any philosophical/religious persuasion.
Some are very horrible.
Some are very wonderful.
Most are in between.
When the very horrible gain any kind of power over others, the evils multiply, and usually deepen and broaden in increased horrific ways.
And, horror in the name of RELIGION tends to be the worst.
I think that’s another reason Christ was so harsh toward RELIGION 2,000 years ago.
He died for RELATIONSHIP.
Nothing else cuts it. Everything else is hazardous.
I checked out one of the churches where Mary on the Cross is located...Some sort of Catholic Church of the Martyrs in Warsaw, Poland...
As you are sitting in the pew, you are looking at a large portrait of Jesus, sitting...He is looking up and directly above Him is standing the the Queen of Heaven, Mary...
I went to the site of the other Church where they have Mary hanging on the Cross at the Vatican...That Church claims to have relics of Mary and the actual blood of Jesus in their possession...
According to the same website, the Pentagon's building of "robo-soldier-super-suits" is a sign of prophecy fulfilling!
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