Posted on 08/02/2009 7:09:23 PM PDT by TaraP
Matthew 24:36a (NIV) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
We cannot know the day or the hour for the Second Coming of Jesus following the Seven Year Tribulation Period, because Jesus stated that those days would be "cut short". The Word of God does not state that the Seven Year Tribulation will start late. The Seven Year Tribulation will begin precisely on time, but it will be "cut short".
Matthew 24:21-22 (NIV) For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
The Great Tribulation is "cut short", because if the Great Tribulation were not "cut short", then "no one would survive". The Great Tribulation is "cut short" because if the Great Tribulation were not "cut short", the Antichrist would destroy every single person on earth including himself.
The reason that no one except God the Father knows the day or the hour for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, is that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is determined by that precise point in time when if Jesus did not return, man would destroy all of mankind. The time for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has not been set by God, that time is determined by man with man's freewill.
No one can predict exactly to the day and the hour when man with man's freewill is going to bring mankind to the precise moment of self-destruction. Only God the Father knows because He is Omniscient (He knows all).
We can however, know very closely when Jesus will return so that the exact day is not a surprise.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 (NIV) But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WILL PRECEDE THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST BY SEVEN YEARS!
We must subtract seven years from the ONE YEAR WINDOW of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ in order to calculate the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Tribulation period.
That would put the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Seven Year Tribulation Period from September 29, 2008 (Rosh Hashanah) until September 18, 2009 (Rosh Hashanah).
On September 29, 2008 (Rosh Hashanah), the FIRST DAY of the ONE YEAR WINDOW for the beginning of the Seven Year Tribulation Period, the stock market fell 777 points, clearly indicating a message from God to the Bride of Christ. I believe that God's message on September 29, 2008 was that the time until the beginning of the Tribulation is close, make certain that you are prepared. (In the Egyptian Tribulation, God attacked the Egyptian's gods. On September 29, 2008 in attacking the stock market, God attacked America's god of money.)
The seven year Tribulation Period began around June 28, 2009 because that was forty-two years from the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.
THE SEVEN YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD BEGAN ON THURSDAY, 9 JULY, 2009 - THE 17th OF TAMMUZ!
THE 17th OF TAMMUZ IS A HISTORIC DAY OF CALAMITY FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE!
1. It was on the 17th of Tammuz that Moses descended from Mount Sinai with the Ten Commandments and when he saw the Jewish people worshipping a golden calf, he broke the Ten Commandments.
2. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 585 B. C. that the priests from the first Temple stopped offering daily sacrifice because there was a shortage of sheep.
3. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 586 B. C. that Nebuchadnezzar broke through the walls of Jerusalem to conquer the city.
4. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 70 A. D. that the Roman army under Titus breeched the walls of Jerusalem.
5. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1239 A. D. that Pope Gregory IX ordered the confiscation of all of the manuscripts of the Talmud.
6. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1391 A. D. that 4,000 Jewish people were killed in Toledo and Jaen, Spain.
7. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1559 that the Jewish Quarter of Prague was destroyed.
8. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1944 that the Jewish people in the Kovno ghetto were sent to the death camps.
9. It was on the 17th of Tammuz in 1970 that Libya ordered the confiscation of all Jewish property.
The Seven Year Tribulation Period began with a "peace agreement" on July 9, 2009, which was the 17th of Tammuz on the Jewish calendar. The "peace agreement" will allow the Jewish people to rebuild their Temple in Jerusalem, in order for the Jewish people to re-establish the ritual of daily sacrifice in their attempt to atone for the Jewish people's sin. Information concerning the existence of that "peace agreement" has not been made available to the general public, as it is necessary for the Islamic governments to prepare the Islamic public for the fact that the Islamic people are going to share the Temple Mount in Jerusalem with the Jewish people; and the government of Israel must prepare the Jewish people to accept the concessions that the Israeli government made in order to facilitate the "peace agreement". There is also a delay while various politicians posture themselves prior to the public announcement of the "peace agreement" in order for the various politicians to claim a percentage of the credit for the "peace agreement". One of the politicians who is posturing himself in order to claim credit for the "peace agreement" is Barack Hussein Obama. We are in a very short time period before information concerning the "peace agreement" must be made available to the general public, as the Jewish Temple will be rebuilt and completed, and daily sacrifice will begin following sundown on March 15, 2010. The Jewish day begins at sundown, consequently sundown on March 15, 2010 is the beginning of the Jewish day of March 16, 2010. March 16, 2010 is the 1st of Nisan, the first day of the new Jewish sacred calendar year of 5770. The Jewish people will re-establish daily sacrifice in the new Jewish Temple on the first day of their new sacred year of 5770. March 16, 2010, the 1st of Nisan is also exactly 250 days after July 9, 2009, which was the 17th of Tammuz, the day on which the "peace agreement" was agreed to. The 17th of Tammuz has been a historic day of calamity for the Jewish people. July 9, 2009 was still another day of great calamity for the Jewish people, but the Jewish people will not recognize it as a day of great calamity until 1,260 days later on December 21, 2012.
The second order to rebuild Jerusalem occurred on June 28, 1967. The Jewish people declared themselves to be the State of Israel on May 14, 1948. However, Jerusalem was not completely in Israeli control until 1967. During the "Six Day War" of 1967, Israel captured the Old City of Jerusalem which included the Temple Mount. On June 7, 1967 Jerusalem came back under Jewish control for the first time in almost 1900 years. On June 28, 1967 the Knesset passed a "decree" annexing East Jerusalem, and thereby bringing the entire city of Jerusalem back into Jewish control.
On September 17, 1978, Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel put forth in a letter to United States President Jimmy Carter, the date of 28 June 1967 as the date that the Israeli Knesset passed legislation that empowered the Knesset to control Jerusalem.
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The President Camp David Thurmont, Maryland 17 September 1978
Dear Mr. President:
I have the honor to inform you, Mr. President, that on 28 June 1967 - Israel's parliament (The Knesset) promulgated and adopted a law to the effect: "the Government is empowered by a decree to apply the law, the jurisdiction and administration of the State to any part of Eretz Israel (Land of Israel - Palestine), as stated in that decree."
On the basis of this law, the government of Israel decreed in July 1967 that Jerusalem is one city indivisible, the capital of the State of Israel.
Sincerely, Menachem Begin
Those will be taken up in the "re-possession."
Great Post!
Also from the site...
Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Washington has discovered an interesting phenomenon while collating the Jewish Calendar and NASA’s eclipse website. A total lunar eclipse produces a “blood red moon.” According to NASA’s eclipse website, the year 2014 has two “blood red moons” or total eclipses of the moon, one occurring on April 15, 2014 (the Feast of Passover) and one occurring on October 8, 2014 (The Feast of Ingathering). These two eclipses are immediately followed by two additional “blood red moons” in the year 2015; one occurring on April 4, 2015 (the Feast of Passover) and one occurring on September 28, 2015 (the Feast of Ingathering). According to the NASA/GODDARD SPACE FLIGHT CENTER, four total lunar eclipses in a row is known as a tetrad. After the four “blood red moons” of 2014 and 2015, there are no more tetrads occurring on Jewish holidays in this century.
Joel 2:31 (NIV) The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
Acts 2:20 (NIV) The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
Matthew 24: 27-30 (NIV) For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather. “Immediately after the distress of those days” ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
NASA’s eclipse website reflects that a tetrad occurred spanning the years 1493 and 1494.
Well there is no shortage of arrogant men who think they know more than Jesus Himself.
Calvary Chapel does teach and talk of this
Chuck Smith has a history calling it wrong, WRT the second coming.
My advice still stands. Get grounded in the basics or be prey for any passing false teacher.
Let me throw out a slightly different perspective, one I have studied in Footsteps of the Messiah, App IIIB, by Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum.
In Jewish tradition, well used in the time of the first advent, when our Lord Christ Jesus was here prior to the Cross, marriage was known as a 4-stage event.
It might be noted that the Church is referenced as the Bride of the Messiah, and Israel as the wife of Jehovah.
The Marriage begins with the Espousal (2Cor 11:2), where the Church as an engaged Bride, not yet joined by marriage to her husband.
The second stage is Sanctification or maturing of the Bride (Eph 5:25-27). Note the purpose of His death and His relationship with the Bride prior to the Second Coming is so that He might sanctify the Bride, so that a glorious virgin is presented to the Messiah, without blemish (no visible defilement), without wrinkle (no evidence of age or corruption) and holy, without blemish (no evidence of sin).
The 3rd stage is the Marriage (Rev 19:6-9).
In the Jewish system, in the 1st stage the Father of the groom made the arrangement for the Bride and paid the bride price (same relationship between persons of God the Father, the Son, and the Bride for the Son, the Chruch). The 2nd stage was frequently separated from the 1st stage by much time, at least a year, sometimes marriages were arranged at childbirth and not fulfilled for major portions of a lifetime.
The 2nd stage, also known in Jewish tradition as ‘the fetching of the bride’, the groom would go to the Bride’s home to fetch her and bring her to his home. It should be noted, though, that the Father of the Son determined the time of the fetching, not the groom. Since the fetching was to bring the bride to a new home, this implies the groom had already prepared a home for the bride prior to the fetching, which was determined to be allowed at a time by the father only.
The third stage stage was the marriage ceremony, where only a few were invited, preceded by ritual immersion for ritual cleansing.
The fourth stage was the wedding feast, which might last as long as 7 days.
In the case of the Bride of the Messiah, the 1st stage has been completed, wherein the bride price has been paid by the blood of Christ (Eph 5:25-27).
Today we are in the process of sanctification, which continues through, until the marriage ceremony of the Church.
In the 2nd stage, the fetching of the Bride is unmistakeably synonomous with what we call the Rapture of the Church, described in 1st Thes 4:13-18. The fetching time is not determined by anybody BUT the Father. This preserves the sanctity of the witness of the marriage. It isn’t performed arrogantly by the Son, nor by the Bride, but by a third party, with wisdom and love for both, namely the Father (Matt 24:36) and after our Lord Christ Jesus has prepared a place (John 14:1-3).
The 3rd stage or marriage ceremony takes place in Heaven, described in Rev 19:6-8, prior to the 2nd Coming at the end of the Great Tribulation. In this event, the Bride is wearing her complete bridal gown, indicating the process of sanctification has been completed at that time and after the Judgment Seat of the Messiah, when all saints are rewarded for their divinely judged good works on earth. (1Cor 3:10-15).
Then comes the Marriage feast (Rev 19:9). (Some note that the Old Testament saints shall be resurrected AFTER the Tribulation and Rapture, but before the 2nd Coming, to be present at the wedding feast.)
Considering the close parallel of the 4 stage wedding process in Jewish tradition, IMHO, the Rapture comes first, then a 7 year wedding feast which likely occurs in heaven, while those missing it on Earth, are enduring the consequences of the cosmic system they had placed before God, and will be reaping the whirlwind.
There are also strong arguments that the Rapture doesn’t necessarily occur at the immediate beginning of the Great Tribulation, although there also are strong indicators the two events closely coincide. The Great Tribulation might also lag the Rapture, rather than begin immediately, since the GT focus is more upon Israel and her return to God, removal of evil, and a consequence of her signing a covenant with the AntiChrist.
Dispensationalists and Reformed believers agree on some issues.
As I said no one knows the day or the hour of Jesus return HOWEVER he did say we could know the SEASON....
Perry Stone
Dr David Jeremiah
Jack Van Impe
Joel Rosenberg
John Hagee
Dr Charles Stanley
and many more speak of this..Do you think only your Preacher has wisdom to know GOD’s word in scripture?
The Great Tribulation might also lag the Rapture, rather than begin immediately, since the GT focus is more upon Israel and her return to God, removal of evil, and a consequence of her signing a covenant with the AntiChrist.
I very much agree with that statement...
So many scoffers that scoff at GOD’s prophetic words...
Just like in the Days of NOAH....
Take a look at post 46. I just recently learned of the parallel of Jewish tradition in the wedding and marriage process and relationship between the Messiah and the Bride, the Church and find it very insightful.
"This stuff is as bad as Harold Camping."Dispensationalists and Reformed believers agree on some issues.
That Harold Camping's numerology is equally as whacky as the stuff that heads this thread?
(I listened to the White/Camping debate this past week on Iron Sharpens Iron. Camping is not all there.)
No, this is completely different crap.
I am sorry, the tribulation week starts with a 7 year peace treaty being signed regarding Jerusalem, by the antichrist. NOw if this can be shown to have happened, and it would have to have been done in secret, then perhaps there may be something to this.
Ping for later
Perry Stone
Dr David Jeremiah
Jack Van Impe
Joel Rosenberg
John Hagee
Dr Charles Stanley
Hagee, as I have pointed out to you before, is a man to be very cautious listening to. In fact, you might want to read through John Hagee teaches another gospel.
Perry Stone -- watched a video of his once, listened to him give an interpretation of Ezekiel's valley of dry bones vision, that left my jaw dropped, it was so absurd.
The rest. Eh, never listened to them.
and many more speak of this..Do you think only your Preacher has wisdom to know GOD’s word in scripture?
Those you listed are operating from a wrong assumption, and reach wrong (and ungospelish) conclusions.
You're not serious.
The Temple Institute: Laying the Foundations of Research for the Third Temple
The Temple Institute was founded on the principle of action. Its goal is to provide a basis in research, planning and infrastructure for the Third Temple.
The basis of the Institute’s work is the commandment given to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai, “And they shall make for Me a Sanctuary, and I will dwell amongst them” (Ex. 25:8). The Institute’s efforts towards preparing for the Temple in our time can be compared to the preparations that were done in the days of the tabernacle and later, by King David.
Research Department
A team of rabbis, scholars, scientists and other experts in various fields are presently occupied with the study of various Temple-related subjects. The results of these studies are published periodically by the Temple Institute.
http://www.templeinstitute.org/about.htm
With the systemic persecution and abuse of Jews throughout history, I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find a few dozen incidents of major persecution against Jews on any day of the year.
I find your argument unconvincing.
However, the track record of other previous predictions of Christ return (read: ALL predictions) were wrong.
If not even our Savior knows when his return will return, why does man still try to "outknow" God?
Speculate is the wrong word....
Look for the Seasons yes he did....
Signs in the heavens, the Stars....
Don’t be a lazy, lackadaisical,lukewarm Christian...
Jesus Will Come “like a thief in the night” (A Surprise, Suddenly)
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (NIV) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
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