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Are you ready for the ultimate pleasure?
Jewish World Review ^ | 10/23/'09 | Rabbi David Aaron

Posted on 10/23/2009 8:41:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

The generations following the sin of Adam and Eve proceeded upon a path of moral degeneration. Cain, in a jealous rage, impulsively killed his brother Abel. In the next generation, Tuvel-Kain perfected the crime of Cain through manufacturing weapons. Then, Lemach boasted to his wives of committing pre-meditative murder. Idolatry flourished during the time of Enosh. Organized crime was established by a group of hoodlums called "The sons of El-ohim." Sexual perversion was rampant in Noah's generation.

Torah (Biblical) tradition teaches that there are three cardinal sins that a person should choose death rather than be forced to commit. They are: murder, idolatry, and sexual perversion. These offenses are the ultimate denial of G-d's love and the values that make life worth living. They are a complete violation of living within the context of G-d's oneness and love and therefore cut humanity off from the source and ground of life. In a span of just ten generations, humanity transgressed all three cardinal sins. This deterioration meant the destruction of the world. G-d decreed the Flood. "And G-d was saddened in His heart." What does this mean?

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TOPICS: Current Events; History; Judaism; Theology
KEYWORDS: distraction; divinepresence; sin
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1 posted on 10/23/2009 8:41:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Alouette; dervish; Yehuda; rmlew; Nachum; Ancesthntr; TorahTrueJew; NativeNewYorker; ...

Ping. Did I forget anyone?


2 posted on 10/23/2009 8:42:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
pre-meditative murder

So Lamech first murdered, and then meditated? Bless his heart, he must have felt much better!

Yeah, I know ... I'll go read the rest of the article, and I'm sure the author has made a number of good points.

3 posted on 10/23/2009 8:45:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Sure enough - excellent article.


4 posted on 10/23/2009 8:47:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Well it depends on whom you ask. One fellow said the ultimate pleasure was

“To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.”

Guy named Conan I think it was.


5 posted on 10/23/2009 8:57:51 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Zionist Conspirator

excerpt from link ... “This story is true for many of us. We must arouse within us the desire to receive what is truly worth wanting; what G-d wants to give us. We give G-d great pleasure, when we hunger to receive His gift of presence and all the blessings it entails. We then connect not only to G-d’s presence but also to our true self because our true self, the soul, is only interested in G-d. This is how King David so eloquently expressed it, “Whom have I in heaven but You? And besides You, I desire none on earth� As for me, G-d’s nearness is my good” (Psalm 73:25-28); “My soul thirsts for You, my flesh longs for You” (Psalms 63:2); “To G-d alone my soul waits silently, from Him comes my salvation.” (Psalms 62:2). “Yes, I will bless You all my life, in Your name I lift my hands. It is as if my desire is sated with fat and abundance, when with joyous language my mouth gives praise” (Psalms 63:5-6). In other words, to praise G-d and recognize His glory satiated King David like abundant delicacies.” __________________________________________________________ Praise the LORD.


6 posted on 10/23/2009 9:00:35 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
They are: murder, idolatry, and sexual perversion. These offenses are the ultimate denial of G-d's love and the values that make life worth living. They are a complete violation of living within the context of G-d's oneness and love and therefore cut humanity off from the source and ground of life. In a span of just ten generations, humanity transgressed all three cardinal sins. This deterioration meant the destruction of the world. G-d decreed the Flood.

Look up!

YHvH is coming soon.

But first the destruction as in the Days of Noah.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
7 posted on 10/23/2009 9:01:06 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

8 posted on 10/23/2009 9:03:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

A giant son of an El-0-him


9 posted on 10/23/2009 9:04:57 AM PDT by frithguild (Can I drill your head now?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
On a more serious note:

Torah (Biblical) tradition teaches that there are three cardinal sins that a person should choose death rather than be forced to commit. They are: murder, idolatry, and sexual perversion.

Not being a Jew, I don't understand why these were singled out over (to me) more important ones, like you should not have any other gods before Him, Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, love your neighbor.

It seems that the three singled out are based off of pride (as is all sin), so they don't seem any worse, or better, than the others.

Can you help me out?

10 posted on 10/23/2009 9:15:20 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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I’m not Jewish, either, but as a reader, I would say that most of what you’ve mentioned is covered under “idolatry” in the author’s list. The New Testament, especially the letters of St. Paul, makes it clear that “idolatry” means putting anything created in the place that should be reserved for the Creator. It’s not just making a statue of Zeus and sacrificing to it, but making anything other than God the center of your life. St. Paul singles out “greed, which is idolatry,” for example.


11 posted on 10/23/2009 9:23:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"What does this mean?"

It means there should be no Jews in the democrat party.

12 posted on 10/23/2009 9:24:51 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Tax-chick
Thanks for the reply. I've been thinking along those same lines for quite a while now. If you look at the 10 Commandments, they are all (essentially) saying the same thing: each one prohibits greed in a certain area of one's life. Greed always comes back to pride.

So it seems to me that there is really only one sin--pride. Everything else is simply a manifestation of that pride.

13 posted on 10/23/2009 9:28:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: tlb

I thought it was juicy fruit gum.


14 posted on 10/23/2009 10:00:47 AM PDT by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: ShadowAce
Not being a Jew, I don't understand why these were singled out over (to me) more important ones, like you should not have any other gods before Him, Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul, love your neighbor.

1)Having other "gxds" before Him is idolatry.

2)These three sins are the ones one must die rather than commit. A guy pulls out a pistol, points it at you, and says "worship this idol or I'll kill you!" If a minyan is present, a Jew is supposed to die rather than do this.

A guy pulls out a gun, points it at you, and says "have illicit sex with me or I'll kill you!" Ditto.

A guy pulls out a gun, says "kill this person here or I will kill you! Ditto.

A guy pulls out a gun, points it at you, and says "stop loving your neighbor as yourself or I'll kill you!"

See the difference?

15 posted on 10/23/2009 10:31:10 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
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To: BubbaBasher
"What does this mean?"

It means there should be no Jews in the democrat party.

Lol! Too true!

16 posted on 10/23/2009 10:32:21 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Actually, I don't see the difference. All of those are playing on the common impulse to protect ourselves. That impulse is pride. Every sin consists of pride.
17 posted on 10/23/2009 10:55:24 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Actually, I don't see the difference. All of those are playing on the common impulse to protect ourselves. That impulse is pride. Every sin consists of pride.

I'm sorry, but you're caught up in the abstract idea of sin and are missing the point. Judaism is a legalistic, statutory religion, not an overly-philosophical and abstract one. The idea of dying rather than committing a sin isn't a pretty piety but a legal requirement in the three cases mentioned above, while (for example) surrendering one's life rather than eating pork is not.

May I ask how the person pointing the gun at you would know whether or not you have indeed stopped loving your neighbor as yourself as opposed to, say, killing someone? Is ceasing to love one's neighbor as oneself a capital offense? How would one obtain witnesses to such a thing? No, such things as the command to love one's fellow as oneself are reserved to the judgment of Heaven alone. The requirement to surrender one's life rather than transgress one of the three cardinal sins is a very real world idea and may be easily enforced by the court.

I'm sure to you the prohibition of idolatry is also a pretty, abstract piety, but Jewish Law has to legally define just what consists of idolatry and when an act constitutes a capital offense for which one may be executed by the court. It is defined as performing before any idol actions associated with its worship or performing one of the four acts of worship reserved for the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. If one performs an act of "worship" before an idol that is neither part of its form of worship or reserved for the worship of G-d in the Temple, then "idolatry" has not taken place.

Chr*stians, with their rejection of statutory religion and their heads in the clouds, don't seem to understand these things. It all goes to show how far from Torah chr*stianity truly is.

18 posted on 10/23/2009 11:53:16 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
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OK. Thanks for the explanation.

I was under the impression that Judaism was a lot like Christianity in that the object was a relationship with God, rather than "merely" following rules He set down.

I know there are a lot of rules in there, but I was looking at the OT and I realized that God created Man with only one rule--don't eat the fruit. Then, after the Flood, He had to lay down 10 rules. Then the flood of new rules to help people keep the Law came into being--usually from the ruling religious class of the day.

I honestly had not realized that the rules themselves became the object of devotion as opposed to God.

I just re-read this post before posting it. I realize it sounds condescending. I'm not trying to sound condescending--really. I'm just not sure how else to phrase it.

19 posted on 10/23/2009 12:06:14 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
OK. Thanks for the explanation.

I was under the impression that Judaism was a lot like Christianity in that the object was a relationship with God, rather than "merely" following rules He set down.

I know there are a lot of rules in there, but I was looking at the OT and I realized that God created Man with only one rule--don't eat the fruit. Then, after the Flood, He had to lay down 10 rules. Then the flood of new rules to help people keep the Law came into being--usually from the ruling religious class of the day.

I honestly had not realized that the rules themselves became the object of devotion as opposed to God.

I just re-read this post before posting it. I realize it sounds condescending. I'm not trying to sound condescending--really. I'm just not sure how else to phrase it.

Please forgive my frustration and my uncalled-for insult of chr*stianity (perhaps I have the tendency to do that because I used to be a chr*stian and can't see why others can't understand what I have come to understand).

As I said, the requirement to sacrifice one's life rather than violate the three cardinal sins is a very real legal requirement, not a sweet-sounding proverb.

Jewish legal codes do not discuss the fate of the soul in the World-to-Come but what constitutes an offense punishable by the Halakhic courts and what those punishments are. For example, if asked the penalty for adultery you might say "eternal damnation" whereas a Jew would say "death by stoning" (for non-Jews in Noachide Law it is death by the sword). What happens afterward to the soul of the one who has been stoned is not discussed in these legal codes but in more mystical literature. The requirement to die rather than commit idolatry, murder, or forbidden sexual sins is legal statute, not mysticism.

Judaism teaches that each human being has a relationship with G-d. He is the Creator, Master, and Father of us all. We don't have to do anything to bring this relationship about . . . it just is. Whether we progress on that relationship or not, or, G-d forbid, ignore or reject it, is up to us. Judaism does not teach that there are two "gods," a Good one and an "evil" one, that the "evil gxd" took over the world and is now its "gxd," and that all human beings are born under the "lxrdship" of this "evil gxd" until they "pass from nature to grace" as does chr*stianity. This is because in Judaism there is only One G-d and Satan is merely one of G-d's angels doing his job--not a "fallen angel" or enemy of G-d.

Be well.

20 posted on 10/23/2009 12:16:00 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayhi hageshem `al-ha'aretz; 'arba`im yom ve'arba`im laylah.)
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