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1 posted on 11/20/2009 11:19:04 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

bookmarked for further research


2 posted on 11/20/2009 11:21:12 AM PST by bsf2009
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I wonder if she has an explanation for the Latin inscription, because that’s actually pretty odd considering the suspected circumstances.


3 posted on 11/20/2009 11:26:11 AM PST by Kleon
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that kind of hurts its credibility for me actually.


4 posted on 11/20/2009 11:28:15 AM PST by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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Hmmmmm. PING

I'm skeptical.

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5 posted on 11/20/2009 11:32:05 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: marshmallow

Shroud marked for later


6 posted on 11/20/2009 11:37:41 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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Dr Frale said that many of the letters were missing, with Jesus for example referred to as "(I)esou(s) Nnazarennos" and only the "iber" of "Tiberiou" surviving. Her reconstruction, however, suggested that the certificate read: "In the year 16 of the reign of the Emperor Tiberius Jesus the Nazarene, taken down in the early evening after having been condemned to death by a Roman judge because he was found guilty by a Hebrew authority, is hereby sent for burial with the obligation of being consigned to his family only after one full year". It ends "signed by" but the signature has not survived.

Dr Frale said that the use of three languages was consistent with the polyglot nature of a community of Greek-speaking Jews in a Roman colony. Best known for her studies of the Knights Templar, who she claims at one stage preserved the shroud, she said what she had deciphered was "the death sentence on a man called Jesus the Nazarene. If that man was also Christ the Son of God it is beyond my job to establish. I did not set out to demonstrate the truth of faith. I am a Catholic, but all my teachers have been atheists or agnostics, and the only believer among them was a Jew. I forced myself to work on this as I would have done on any other archaeological find."

Death certificate is imprinted on the Shroud of Turin, says Vatican scholar

9 posted on 11/20/2009 11:50:19 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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I know this might be seen as subversive. But the whole basis of Christianity is based upon FAITH. “By faith alone,,”. The whole medieval-style search for relics,,is basically at odds with the very concept of faith. Faith doesn’t need such temporal relics. Holy Grails, Splinters of the cross, Shrouds,, all prove nothing.

The shroud just has no value, not a whit,, except as medieval art and religious art. The problem is that its been presented as some sort of proof of divinity. Like a radioactive aura of Christ maybe made the image.

A Christian should just appreciate it fully, enjoy it, and not be upset if science proves it is clearly a fraud. The person who made it meant it to honor Christ, maybe thats enough.


13 posted on 11/20/2009 12:17:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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bookmark


15 posted on 11/20/2009 12:19:05 PM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: marshmallow
He also rejected the idea that authorities would officially return the body of a crucified man to relatives after filling out some paperwork. Victims of the most cruel punishment used by the Romans would usually be left on the cross or were disposed of in a dump to add to the execution's deterring effect.

ignoring the Biblical account that Jesus was NOT left on the cross - and that Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy man and High Priest with considerable influence and quite probably Jesus' uncle, petitioned Pilate for the body for burial.

Supposedly,only kin could so be granted such a request - and with Joseph having buried Jesus in his own tomb points to kinship as well.

In addition, if it says "Jesus the Nazarene" - not Jesus of Nazareth - to me, that makes more sense as Jesus was from the Nazarene Sect, a Sect of the Essenes - a sect whose priests wore their hair in a long braid down the back, as in the Shroud...

As to languages, within 3 miles of Nazareth, was the spectacular Roman city of Sepphoris, which had been destroyed but rebuilt in Jesus' lifetime. On a hill, easily seen from Nazareth, the gleaming white marbled city shone in the sun - "shining city on a hill."

Sepphoris was at a crossroads, a hub of travel routes from many countries...cosmopolitan, with the inhabitants speaking more Greek than Arabic, as well as Latin. (Mosaic floors still existing give a hint at the richly cultural city - the most famous of the mosaics is "The Mona Lisa of Galilee

It has been posited that Jesus, with His father, Joseph - who was more than a mere carpenter, but a builder - may well have found plenty of work in the years of the rebuilding of the city. As well, such a city and such a location where the people of many countries passed through, would suppose a much more sophisticated area that Jesus grew up in than the traditional little backwater of poor, uneducated peasants.

Maybe this is why Sepphoris is ignored, as if it never existed, by most religions? Inconvenient?

I rather imagine that Jesus, Himself, spoke Greek and well as Arabic...and Latin? He was not an ignorant, unschooled peasant.

19 posted on 11/20/2009 12:43:14 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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live links corresponding to my last post

http://touregypt.net/featurestories/catherines2-1.htm

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pantocrator.htm


22 posted on 11/20/2009 1:12:53 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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Sepphoris

http://www.bibleplaces.com/sepphoris.htm


23 posted on 11/20/2009 1:19:15 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: marshmallow

Barbara Frale is a serious, heavy weight historian. She discovered the ms. that showed the Church recognized the Templars were innocent - sadly long after theit trials.


26 posted on 11/20/2009 4:21:21 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: marshmallow
An enhanced closeup.


27 posted on 11/20/2009 4:22:55 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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29 posted on 11/20/2009 4:25:37 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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Told you I was skeptical:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2391848/posts?page=1


39 posted on 11/21/2009 9:08:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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