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Researcher Says Text Proves Shroud of Turin Real
AP ^ | 11/20/09 | Ariel David

Posted on 11/20/2009 11:19:02 AM PST by marshmallow

ROME – A Vatican researcher claims a nearly invisible text on the Shroud of Turin proves the authenticity of the artifact revered as Jesus' burial cloth.

The claim made in a new book by historian Barbara Frale drew immediate skepticism from some scientists, who maintain the shroud is a medieval forgery.

Frale, a researcher at the Vatican archives, said Friday that she used computers to enhance images of faintly written words in Greek, Latin and Aramaic scattered across the shroud.

She asserts the words include the name "Jesus Nazarene" in Greek, proving the text could not be of medieval origin because no Christian at the time, even a forger, would have labeled Jesus a Nazarene without referring to his divinity.

The shroud bears the figure of a crucified man, complete with blood seeping out of nailed hands and feet, and believers say Christ's image was recorded on the linen fibers at the time of his resurrection.

The fragile artifact, owned by the Vatican, is kept locked in a special protective chamber in Turin's cathedral and is rarely shown.

Skeptics point out that radiocarbon dating conducted in 1988 determined it was made in the 13th or 14th century.

While faint letters scattered around the face on the shroud were seen decades ago, serious researchers dismissed them due to the test's results, Frale told The Associated Press.

But when she cut out the words from photos of the shroud and showed them to experts they concurred the writing style was typical of the Middle East in the first century — Jesus' time.

She believes the text was written on a document by a clerk and glued to the shroud over the face so the body could be identified by relatives and buried properly. Metals in the ink used at the time ............

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To: Swordmaker
One from the 11th Century, 100 years before the earliest C14 date. A written description of the Shroud from the 10th Century, the sermon of Gregorius Refendarius, delivered on August 14, 944, survives that describes the cloth depicting the body of Christ with its blood stained wounds.

I also approach it from my experience, as as portrait painter, from the art evidence.

Long before photography, painting was the only way to depict people or things.

For churches, the method most used was Icons and mosaics/paintings on cathedral ceilings.

Most of the icons, starting long before the folk who desperately want the Shroud to be a hoax, show that they were all taking the likeness of Jesus from a common source.

Many of those artists painted 3 wisps of hair on the forehead - having mistook the rivulets of blood for hair.

This is my favorite of the Iconic paintings and following is a link to a well done site that shows how the face in the shroud corresponds to the Iconic depictions...hardly a coincidence.

Pantocrator, St. Catherine's Monastery.

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pantocrator.htm

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pantocrator.htm

the Hagia Sophia Christ

...

Just to scratch the surface...

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21 posted on 11/20/2009 1:12:44 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: marshmallow

live links corresponding to my last post

http://touregypt.net/featurestories/catherines2-1.htm

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pantocrator.htm


22 posted on 11/20/2009 1:12:53 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: marshmallow

Sepphoris

http://www.bibleplaces.com/sepphoris.htm


23 posted on 11/20/2009 1:19:15 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7

Both very beautiful.


24 posted on 11/20/2009 2:16:29 PM PST by TASMANIANRED
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To: maine-iac7

Tradition has it that St. Luke wrote the first icon of Mary, who he clearly knew personally.

Let us remember that while the Jewish culture discouraged portraiture, the Greeks were excellent at it. It is possible that artists of some skill created the first icons of Jesus either because they met Him personally, or through trial and correction by those who met Him, — like police sketches are done today.

For that reason, we should not be surprised that the shroud matches the iconography, whether or not the first iconographers worked from the shroud or from other sources, like I outlined.


25 posted on 11/20/2009 3:11:57 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: marshmallow

Barbara Frale is a serious, heavy weight historian. She discovered the ms. that showed the Church recognized the Templars were innocent - sadly long after theit trials.


26 posted on 11/20/2009 4:21:21 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: marshmallow
An enhanced closeup.


27 posted on 11/20/2009 4:22:55 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: maine-iac7; Swordmaker; marshmallow

I recall seeing, years ago, a Catholic priest on a TV explaining that prior to the Shroud being taken to a certain church (maybe it was Hagia Sophia, I can’t remember) Christian imagery in Europe always depicted Jesus without any facial hair, and it was only after they saw the Shroud in the year 1000 or so that they began depicting Him as bearded. Could my recollection be correct?


28 posted on 11/20/2009 4:24:34 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: marshmallow

29 posted on 11/20/2009 4:25:37 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: maine-iac7

You wrote:

“...cosmopolitan, with the inhabitants speaking more Greek than Arabic”

Arabic? (snicker)


30 posted on 11/20/2009 4:25:52 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: JoeProBono

I like that photo. Most images only show the face in close up.


31 posted on 11/20/2009 4:47:18 PM PST by Melian ("Here's the moral of the story: Catholic witness has a cost." ~Archbishop Charles Chaput)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; maine-iac7; Swordmaker; marshmallow
Way before AD 1000. It is a fact that till about 4c the Western images of Christ all show Him as a Roman patrician, clean shaven and dressed in the Roman style.



Christ as the Good Shepherd
Catacomb of San Callisto
end of the 2nd and beginning of the 3rd century

At some point the Byzantine iconographic standard becomes established:



First known image of Christ with a beard (4c.)
(source)



San Apollinare Nuovo in Ravenna, Italy
6th century

I would attribute the change to simply spreading the Byzantine iconographic tradition westward, but of course the shroud of Turin may have been an enlightening influence as well.

32 posted on 11/20/2009 5:30:02 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Thank you. Do we know when Jesus was first depicted with a beard in the East?


33 posted on 11/20/2009 6:02:33 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

We don’t, because the East suffered from iconoclasm. The earliest extant icon is St. Catherine’s Pantrocrator, already posted in this thread, but it is only 6c.

However, unlike the West, the East treats icons as true portraits. It is forbidden to alter facial features of Christ or the saints. So we have to assume that the icons always had Christ bearded.

It is, of course, consistent with the Jewish custom to grow a beard.


34 posted on 11/20/2009 6:22:34 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I recall seeing, years ago, a Catholic priest on a TV explaining that prior to the Shroud being taken to a certain church (maybe it was Hagia Sophia, I can’t remember) Christian imagery in Europe always depicted Jesus without any facial hair, and it was only after they saw the Shroud in the year 1000 or so that they began depicting Him as bearded. Could my recollection be correct?

Early Christian iconography typically showed Christ as clean shaven often shown with sheep... but around the 3rd to 4th Century the bearded older man imagery started replacing the clean shaven young man icons.

35 posted on 11/20/2009 6:38:36 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: vladimir998
“...cosmopolitan, with the inhabitants speaking more Greek than Arabic”

Arabic? (snicker)

I think he meant "Aramaic."

36 posted on 11/20/2009 6:39:38 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

You might think so. I am not so sure.


37 posted on 11/20/2009 6:48:38 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Swordmaker
That first picture in post #32 appears to have the blood drops drawn in on the forehead as hair. The trajectory is exactly the same as on the Shroud.

Can't stay to comment. Busy day.

38 posted on 11/21/2009 8:00:18 AM PST by WVNan
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To: marshmallow

Told you I was skeptical:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2391848/posts?page=1


39 posted on 11/21/2009 9:08:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I recall seeing, years ago, a Catholic priest on a TV explaining that prior to the Shroud being taken to a certain church (maybe it was Hagia Sophia, I can’t remember) Christian imagery in Europe always depicted Jesus without any facial hair, and it was only after they saw the Shroud in the year 1000 or so that they began depicting Him as bearded. Could my recollection be correct?

Your recollection of what the priest said may be correct - but the priest was wrong. Despite the fact that they are now in possession of the Shroud, the church has not been overly friendly to it nor claim it's authenticity

My favorite of the early depictions of Jesus is the Iconic painting in the St Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai, the Pantocrator.,,painted in the 6th or 7th century

This, I believe as a portrait artist, is taken straight from the Shroud.

There were hundreds of icon paintings done for churches everywhere with this visage, differing only in the different artists hands.

Now here is one done 1090-1100, same face, but notice the wisps of hair on the forehead? the were many done like that. They mistook the wisps of blood stain in the forehead in the Shroud for wisps of hair.

Did I post this link before?

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pantocrator.htm

40 posted on 11/21/2009 9:57:39 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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