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Judge Romney By His Religion? I Do It, and So Should You.
Race 4 2012 ^ | November 30, 2009 | Alex Knepper

Posted on 11/30/2009 6:01:03 PM PST by delacoert

I’ll just leave this here…

Before a defense of any kind of religious discrimination, one ought to make all of the necessary disclaimers: of course I oppose government-sponsored discrimination, and I certainly would not support the kind of absurd treatment described by Steven Reinhart in his piece featured below. That being said, there is a legitimate case to be made for judging any candidate for office by his religious convictions.

In late 2007, Mitt Romney made his somewhat-famous speech on religion, where he spoke the following words:

“Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.”

Similarly, Romney has stated: “I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it…my faith is the faith of my fathers. I will be true to them and to my beliefs.”

If freedom requires religion, if his Mormon faith sustains his life and he will be true to those practices, then I’m at an utter loss as to why we should ignore Romney’s religious beliefs when evaluating his fitness for the White House.

We ask plenty of questions of any Evangelical Christian candidate: what do his beliefs about the nature of God, the nature of the cosmos, and the meaning of man’s life mean for his potential tenure in office? But for whatever reason, these questions are looked at as unnecessarily piercing and prejudiced when asked of a member of a minority faith.

When Sarah Palin gave her fumbling answer about Israel’s settlements, several commentators jumped on her faith, wondering whether she subscribed to the bizarre but potent sect of modern Christianity that believes in the imminence of the End Times. Will anyone ask Mitt Romney about the oddities of the dogma of the Mormon Church? There are plenty of Mormon doctrines that may strike people as a bit odd — and rightly so. It is established in the church that the devout can reach the upper echelons of heaven and eventually become gods themselves, able to create their own universes and govern them as they see fit (all while supervised by the One True God). Why is it that when I bring this up to Romney fans, I am dismissed as a bigot?

As an atheist, I both understand and accept that in a predominantly Christian society, my thoughts on religion are necessarily going to open me up to questions. If I were to ever run for office (don’t count on that, by the way), I would not expect my supporters would try to ward off any questions about my atheism with the victim-card of discrimination. One’s philosophy of religion contributes profoundly to his worldview and thus is a completely valid criterion by which to partially evaluate a candidate’s fitness for office.

I view all religions as equally bizarre and irrational. But mainstream Christianity is often adopted as a cultural guise, meant for purposes of assimilation with the majority. Probe most self-described Christians and you’ll find plenty of deviation from standard dogma. Devotion to Mormonism, which is completely outside of the American mainstream, requires a certain level of commitment. To what extent will Romney’s faith influence his decision-making? I ask that question of devoted Evangelicals and judge them accordingly, and I will do the same of a Mormon. And I am not going to apologize for that.


TOPICS: Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: braindeadbigots; excusesexcuses; hidebehindreligion; mitthides; mittwhit; mittwhits; mittwits; mormon; mormonism; rino; rinos; romney; romneyhiding; unusualtopic
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To: cripplecreek

Well the guys first choice is Romney...

So...


81 posted on 12/01/2009 4:35:44 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Salvation; Spiff
Spiffy has seen it, the problem is that Spiffy won't acknowledge it.

Not part of the game plan for Team Romeny.

82 posted on 12/01/2009 4:37:38 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Nosterrex
"I would vote for a Muslim as POTUS before I would vote for a Mormon."

I'd have to reverse the order. Mormons are not enemies by default as Muslims are. With minimal study, Islam can be found to be incompatible with other forms of government. Not so with Mormonism.

Still, that's the lesser of the two evils. I'd be loathed to vote for a Mormon as well. It would be like voting for a follower of Scientology, I'd have to wonder constantly about the candidate's sanity.

"I could never see myself voting for an Atheist..."

I suspect an atheist POTUS would perform much better than either a Muslim or Mormon.

83 posted on 12/01/2009 4:44:47 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: delacoert
Similarly, Romney has stated: “I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it…my faith is the faith of my fathers. I will be true to them and to my beliefs.”

John Chapter 6:28-29

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

84 posted on 12/01/2009 4:47:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: delacoert
Similarly, Romney has stated: “I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it…my faith is the faith of my fathers. I will be true to them and to my beliefs.”

I 'believe' that someone who was BORN into the MORMON faith - with ROOTS that go WAY back into it's inseption, HELD many positions within the Oragnization; LIVED overseas on a mission from that Organization; a person like that should have NEVER had any other position than PRO-life.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

85 posted on 12/01/2009 4:49:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
There is one fundamental question about which I'm often asked: "What do I believe about Jesus Christ?" I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the savior of mankind.

So do the devils; and THEY tremble!

86 posted on 12/01/2009 4:52:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
Whether you agree with Mitt Romney or not or whether you voted for Mitt Romney or not, it's a shame that you cannot acknowledge what I and Rush have acknowledged — a courageous and inspiring speech.

Whether you agree with Barak Obama or not or whether you voted for Barak Obama or not, it's a shame that you cannot acknowledge what American voters have acknowledged — an ENDLESS outpouring of courageous and inspiring speechs!!!

87 posted on 12/01/2009 4:54:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
It’s equally as sad that Mitt Romney had to give this speech.

Poor ol' Mitt. Forced to do yet another thing he didn't want to do.

88 posted on 12/01/2009 4:56:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
It's very nice to see you again. :-)

Let's gang up on these Palin goobers and call them names!

89 posted on 12/01/2009 4:57:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: General Mung Beans

Do you think Mitt has a better chance at unseating the fraud currently occupying the White House than Sarah?


90 posted on 12/01/2009 4:58:16 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: La Enchiladita
Say, maybe I should get over to the Mormon Temple and see how they are decked out for the holidays!!

Yeah!

Perhaps they'll have a display that glorifies Joseph Smith; our Glorious Leader and Founder!

--MormonDude(I have nothing but PRAISE for that man!)

91 posted on 12/01/2009 4:59:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GOP_Lady
...the Kirtland Temple.

A solid looking building. Sturdy and functional.

These new ones popping up everywhere tend to look like something that belongs in Disneyland.


92 posted on 12/01/2009 5:15:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: delacoert

There is absolutely no difference between hating Romney because he’s a mormon and how nazis felt about jews. It’s exactly the same.


93 posted on 12/01/2009 5:19:03 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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To: Nosterrex

Mein Kampf all over again this time against Mormons instead of jews.

Do the anti Mormons also wear brown shirts?


94 posted on 12/01/2009 5:20:47 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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To: Elsie
"Praise to the man"
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdH3bj74yeg

95 posted on 12/01/2009 5:21:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Enosh

What’s the difference between your hate of mormons and a nazis hate of jews? NOTHING!


96 posted on 12/01/2009 5:23:18 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth THEY finally begin December 2009 (Keep flammables away from TV 12/10))
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; ...

Flying Inmans = Nazis

Oooh! That’s original.


97 posted on 12/01/2009 5:26:34 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
"... hate of mormons and a nazis hate of jews? NOTHING!"

I don't hate Mormons, they are perfectly respectable folks, if confused in theology.

Nazis, on the other hand, declared different races inferior, to be destroyed.

A squeech bit different.

98 posted on 12/01/2009 5:30:04 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: metmom; General Mung Beans

Interesting indeed. Also the post itself was interesting, especially since Obama has called himself Muslim on a YouTube video. As for Romney, you don’t need to go after his religion—there’s that RomneyCare issue that would make him entirely unsuitable for many of us. Why would we want to elect a Republican version of Obama?


99 posted on 12/01/2009 5:39:47 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: Elsie; delacoert
You should see what they did on the Mormon property...

"Taj Mahal was built by a Muslim, Emperor Shah Jahan (died 1666 C.E.) in the memory of his dear wife and queen Mumtaz Mahal at Agra, India. It is an "elegy in marble" or some say an expression of a "dream."

taj mahal

100 posted on 12/01/2009 5:49:41 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The House health care bill that is dropping contains the word “shall” 3,425 times...)
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