Posted on 12/18/2009 11:02:49 AM PST by NYer
The bishops of Kerala-- the home of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church and the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church-- have reached an agreement with Syrian Jacobite and Syrian Orthodox leaders to share churches outside Kerala for Sunday Mass and to consider sharing cemeteries and the use of priests at funerals. All four churches trace their origin to the evangelization of St. Thomas the Apostle.
Underscoring the agreement’s ramifications beyond India, the Catholic delegation was led by Bishop Brian Farrell, LC, the secretary of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity since 2002.
Although the sacred liturgy in both the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church and the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church is celebrated in Malayalam, the former uses the Chaldean rite, while the latter uses the Antiochan rite. The Syrian Jacobite Church and the Syrian Orthodox Church are not among the Eastern Orthodox churches that ceased communion with the Holy See in 1054; rather, they are among the Oriental Orthodox churches that ceased communion with the Holy See following the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon in 451.
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Catholic/Orthodox ping!
Wow!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/810969/posts
Celebrating the Apostle's Coming : 1950th Anniversary of St. Thomas in India
The sharing of churches and priests for funerals and weddings is not at all uncommon in Lebanon, as we know. By economia, Orthodox Christians may receive communion and other scraments in an Oriental Orthodox Church or from an Oriental Orthodox priest and vice versa since it was decided that their understanding of the natures of Christ is the same as ours (and yours) though expressed differently.
I would be very surprised if there was any de jure intercommunion going on, but maybe. It's happening in Lebanon de facto today but there the beliefs at least of the Melkites and the Orthodox are identical and those of the younger Maronite theologians are increasingly less Latin and more Eastern, though I have to say that I am always surprised that there is any intercommunion between the Orthodox and the Maronites even de facto in light of the Maronites' wholesale adoption of Latin theology.
I am always surprised that there is any intercommunion between the Orthodox and the Maronites even de facto in light of the Maronites' wholesale adoption of Latin theology.
Nothing like starting the day by launching a salvo at a Catholic Church. As you well know, the Maronite Church is the only one among the Eastern Churches that has always maintained its bonds with Rome and the Successor of St. Peter. In fact, in 517, as controversy continued to rage over the decisions of the Council of Chalcedon (451) regarding Christ as “true God and true Man,” persecution of the Maronites broke out which resulted in the martyrdom of 350 Maronite monks on account of their defense of the Council’s decrees. Even today, on the feast of Saints Peter and Paul, our liturgy prays: “O Lord, preserve your children from all error or deviation, grant us to live and die proclaiming: ‘Our faith is the faith of Peter, the faith of Peter is our faith!’”
Where Peter is, there is the church!
“Nothing like starting the day by launching a salvo at a Catholic Church.”
A salvo at the Catholic Church?????????????? Since when was the innovative dogmatic theology of the Latin Church proclaimed since the Great Schism accepted by the Orthodox Churches? Or for that matter, since when did the Latin Church rescind its heretical dogmas of the IC and Papal Infallibility so as to believe the exact same things as the Orthodox? My salvo, if that’s what it was, was aimed just as forcefully at the Orthodox who give communion to the Latinized Maronites.
The Maronite Church, as you well know, is more Latin than Rome, though, thank God, that’s changing. But the Maronites have not rejected the Papal innovations of the past centuries and therefore I continue to be very surprised that the Orthodox in Lebanon allow Maronites to receive communion in Orthodox Churches and vice versa.
Tell me something, NYer. Is it fair to say that for you and the Latinized, N.O. Maronites, the Eucharist is a tool to create unity with the Latin Church rather than the perfect symbol of unity of Faith? Is that why you would encourage people who don’t accept Rome’s innovative, even heretical, theology to receive communion in a Maronite Church or for Maronites to accept communion from the hands of a schismatic Orthodox priest who scorns submission to the Pope of Rome?
We do not believe the exact same things. Until we do, it cheapens the Eucharist to use it as a tool to foster submission to Rome.
Based on what canon are these Churches sharing priests and more? Sound’s more like a clown circus to me, but nothing really surprises me any more. It’s a make-believe world.
I may be wrong, but I believe a REAL Catholic would turn the other cheek when someone is shooting their mouth at them. They would NOT "smack" them.
A real Catholic would only physically strike if he/she was physically threatened. If an attack is verbal, calmly use true apologetics and correct the error. It's really coming back as an art.
A real Catholic would only physically strike if he/she was physically threatened. If an attack is verbal, calmly use true apologetics and correct the error. It's really coming back as an art.
Sorr for the double post. I’m fending off a dog who can’t control his licker.
“Based on what canon are these Churches sharing priests and more?”
No canon, Kosta, no canon at all; in fact, its a violation of a number of canons. From the Latin pov, however, that makes no difference as long as one submits to Rome in some fashion. Look at the Melkites, for example. They do not embrace the innovation of the IC and while their Patriarch Gregory II Youssef did sign the Vatican I document, he did so with the prior reservation of “...”all rights, privileges and prerogatives of the Patriarchs of the Eastern Churches being respected” which vitiated whatever “consent” he had given. Within the past 20 years the Melkites have come close to a complete break with Rome and reunion with Antioch (guess who queered that!) and yet, so long as the Melkites pretend to submit, Rome is happy. The Maronites, on the other hand, might as well be Roman Catholics. Their Westernized liturgy finds its heritage in the NO Mass of Vatican II, though it was re-written in 1992 to incorporate more ancient Maronite anaphora which cannot be anything other than a good thing. Beyond that, the dogma and mindset (unlike all the other Eastern churches in communion with Rome) of the Maronite Church are thoroughly Roman, so Roman in fact that their married priests are not allowed to serve in countries with a predominant Roman Church.
Now Kosta, you tell me why a church like that would want to intercommune with Orthodox Christians? I can guess.
Actually I am a re-vert to the Catholic Church from "Wack job" protestantism. I have 36 hours of Graduate level Credit from a Seminary in New York. I know more about my faith Than 90% of the the usual pew sitters. I am not a nice person, but I am a staunch defender of the Catholic Church.
You need to understand that there are certain people that attack the Catholic Church in a relentless manner. They come in all guises from United States Senators and Speakers of the House, to Fundamentalist Prots and Quasi Eastern Orthodox like K.
Would you have taken St. Michael to task for driving Satan into the pit? Maybe you need to ask yourself why you are not willing to go the extra mile in defense of the Church.
LOL! What a hoot! This the first time I've ever heard this one! Let's see what can we be most jealous of....hmmm... the cover up of all those child molesting priests?... or perhaps its we're jealous of all those Protestant groups that splintered away from Rome... yeah yeah... that must be it! Boy... I wish we could be more like you guys! :D rofl!
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