Sola Scriptura - In the Vanity of their Minds

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[MarMema]

Posted not as a bashing attempt!!! I am intensely interested in what others here think about the description of novelty as heresy in the last line.

This is an excerpt although I was unable to check it because it is so long. The rest of it at the site is not relevant imo.

[SoConPubbie]

I would think that the millions upon millions of men and women who were saved under the doctrine of “SOLA SCRIPTURA” in the various Protestant Churches and are now in Heaven rejoicing with their Lord and Savior would have something totally different to say on the subject.

As for me, God Saved my soul and changed my heart without the benifit of the Catholic Church’s “Tradition” and I know I’m going to heaven.

[ConservativeMind]

Well, let’s see, nothing in Scripture says priests can’t be pedophiles, and the word “priest” doesn’t even exist in Scripture, so, I’m guessing that those who think stuff not in Scripture think this perversion is okay, right?

[ConservativeMind]

I mean, the word “priest” doesn’t appear in the New Testament church, Israel obviously had them.

[DarthVader]

2 Timothy 3:16-17, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

[pallis]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for corrections, for instruction in righteousness.... (2Tim. 3.16) There is plenty of room for traditions, differences among cultures and embellishments. If there is a question of correctness or permissibility, scripture rules. I don’t expect the churches of today to follow this, and some that try can’t agree on doctrine and theology, but any Christian who is serious about following Christ has no choice but to stand firmly on scripture. Anything else is something else.

[nralife]

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[vladimir998]

Presbuteros most certainly IS in the New Testament and that is the root word of the word ‘priest’.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Given the number of anti-sola scriptura threads today, I'd say it's attack sola scriptura day... As far as the actual position goes, see post 5 with the verse from 2 Tim 3:16-17. Scripture alone is sufficient for salvation. Scripture says so. Sola scriptura says that Scripture alone is sufficient for salvation. End of story.

[the_daug]

Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Mar 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

And the church (not just Catholic) has come to do likewise “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition” only if the church would hold tradition to the light of the word of God and do as the Bareans.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

[hondact200]

Have you read the works of the Protestant reformers Martin Luther, Jean Calvin, Hulydrych Zwingli they were written in Latin.

how are you interpreting Sola Scriptura here is an understanding that I learned in seminary regarding sola scriptura it is just one of the five pillars or fundamentals of the Protestant Reformers

here is how Sola scriptura is utilized the adjective Sola and the noun scriptura are in the ablative case rather than the nominative case to indicate that the Bible does not stand alone apart from God, but rather that its is the instruemnt of God by which he reveals himself for salvation through faith in Christ (solus Christus or solo Christo)
the five pillars are
sola Scriptura “by sripture alone”
sola fide “ by faith alone”
sola gratia “ by grace alone”
Solus Christus or Solo Christo “Christ alone” or “through Christ alone”
Solio deo Gloria “ glory to God Alone” post again with all five pillars and discussion.

Martin Luther posted 95 Theses to the Wittenberg Debate. I understand you seire a debate. but place the entire Five Pillars (Latin Phrases) online for debate and ask people whom are theologians from different protestant faiths, greek and russian orthodox and roman cathoilc and you may get a theological debate.

[ConservativeMind]

Uh, what does “kohen” mean in Greek, then, and why is this used in the Old Testament for “priest” and not in the New Testament?

Because the actual term in the New Testament you are claiming as “priest” means “elder.”

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“Given the number of anti-sola scriptura threads today, I’d say it’s attack sola scriptura day...”

You need to learn to read. Today is the 22nd. Go back through the threads and you’ll see there are EXACTLY two, that’s TWO (2) threads against sola scriptura. Just TWO.

bogusname, on the other hand, posted no fewer than three anti-Catholic posts. So, using your logic, we see that today is actually anti-Catholic day.

[polishprince]

It looks to me like the author of the article doesn’t understand the historic meaning of Sola Scriptora. I would direct him, and all interested, to a great book by Keith Mattison entitled “The Shape of Sola Scriptora” in it he looks at historically what was meant by the reformers when it cam to the doctrine of Sola Scriptora and how today it has been abused by evangelicals.
I agree with Sola Scriptora wholeheartedly and it in no way, historicaaly, undermines tradition. It simply means that all that is necessary for salvation is found plainly in scripture. What we need to know to live the Christian life as pleasing to God is found plainly in scripture. Nothing more Nothing less. Those who try to refute this have never been able to answer this question that I pose.

“What doctrine that needs to be believed for salvation is NOT found in scripture??” No one who denies Sola Scriptora has ever answered that. There is none. All that is needed to be believed is found in scripture.

Sola scriptora does not deny the importance of tradition BUT it does make tradition subservient to scripture. If a tradition is not found in scripture it does not have to be believed and cannot hold the conscience of the believer bound.
For example if Scripture teaches Doctrine A and tradition teaches Doctrine A then doctrine A must be believed (The Ressurection of Jesus as and example.
If tradition teaches Doctrine B but Scripture does NOT teach doctrine, or address it, then the believer does not have to believe (or practice) Doctrine B (No meat on friday as an example). The conscience of the believer is not bound to the tradition.
If tradition teaches Doctrine C but Scripture contradicts Doctrine C then Doctrine C is to be rejected. (Immaculate Conception as an example).

That is Sola Scriptura quick and easy

[polishprince]

Actually it means Elder. There is a specific greek word for priest and it is not presbuteros

[Mrs. Don-o]

bttt

[Judith Anne]

Well, let’s see, nothing in Scripture says priests can’t be pedophiles, and the word “priest” doesn’t even exist in Scripture, so, I’m guessing that those who think stuff not in Scripture think this perversion is okay, right?

Care to speak to this, terrabitten?

[Trailerpark Badass]

That’s genius, right there.

[DarthVader]

Very astute and well explained.

[Uncle Chip]

Is All Scripture given by inspiration of God, as Paul wrote, and thus profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, or are some other words, verbal or written?

Paul did not say this about the conversations that he and Timothy had in their fireside chats, or anything else, only Scripture, just Scripture, solely Scripture. It was "Scripture alone" that Paul said these things about -- nothing else.