Posted on 02/22/2010 10:34:43 AM PST by MarMema
You wrote:
“Actually it means Elder.”
When did I say otherwise?
“There is a specific greek word for priest and it is not presbuteros”
Again, when did I say otherwise? I said: “Presbuteros most certainly IS in the New Testament and that is the root word of the word ‘priest’.”
Pot, kettle, black.
You wrote:
“Uh, what does “kohen” mean in Greek, then, and why is this used in the Old Testament for “priest” and not in the New Testament?”
Presbuteros is in the New Testament. From it comes the word priest.
“Because the actual term in the New Testament you are claiming as “priest” means “elder.””
I never claimed it as “priest” - not once, ever. I said: Presbuteros most certainly IS in the New Testament and from it we get the word priest. All of that is undeniable.
Nicely put.
Even more succinct: “why do you transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?” (Matt. 15:3)
Sola Scriptura - In the Vanity of their Minds
Disagreement Among Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Scripture Alone Disproves "Scripture Alone" (Sola Scriptura)
And there are a few others taking protestants to task for the concept of sola scriptura, but those deal with more than just that concept. So that's three threads dedicated SOLELY to attacking the concept of sola scriptura, not as asides or within other context, just pure and direct. Seems rather high for not even being Noon yet...
But that is besides the point; the point is that scripture claims it is sufficient for salvation, which IS sola scriptura; 2 Tim 3:16-17 is pretty explicit, is it not?
CM - although I see your point, there's no need to be rude about it. Just so you know the background, JA and I were talking on another thread about how little Christianity we typically see on "Christian" threads.
JudithAnne - with all due respect, although CM was being rude and could have used a different (better) example, it's also true that if we go about looking for offense, we're certain to find it.
There is a difference between source and interpretation. We all agree that the Scriptures are the inspired Word of God, and that it is sufficient for showing us the way to salvation and how to live a godly life. The problem is interpretation. The Protestant idea that everyone has the authority to read and to interpret Scripture on his own has been a source of the fragmentation within Protestantism. Protestantism has no single teaching authority that determines the correct interpretation of Scripture and the development of doctrine. The only alternative that the Lutherans had was to advocate those educated in theological studies. It is a mess. The question is whether or not there is a viable alternative. Councils and church fathers are not without error. Apostolic succession is no guarantee of truth. As I see it, Christianity does not have a solution to this horrible problem
It's on every thread. I wasn't "looking" for it.
Did you reproach the instigator?
Yes - publicly, and in my response posted above. I respectfully told him/her that he was being rude by using such a crass example.
Wrong. “Disagreement Among Protestants and Sola Scriptura” is written by an anti-Catholic, Dr. Joe Mizza. “Just for Catholics” is a false-flag website against Catholics, full of bigotry.
You wrote:
“I’m sorry, I see at least three:”
Then you’re not paying attention. This one -
Disagreement Among Protestants and Sola Scriptura - was written by an anti-Catholic. Look at the source.
“And there are a few others taking protestants to task for the concept of sola scriptura, but those deal with more than just that concept.”
No. There are EXACTLY two threads - and two only - when I first posted about this where the thread opener is against sola scriptura. Exactly TWO. And, unlike you, I actuall read the threads and did not mistake an anti-Catholic one as an anti-Sola scriptura one. I suggest you pay more attention before you make any grand statements covering the whole of the religion forum for today.
That said, what about 2 Tim 3:16-17 as it addresses the sufficient nature of scripture for salvation?
Thank you. I wonder if you will bother to continue with that, though. It gets tiring keeping up with all the vicious anti-Catholic stuff, right?
GASP!! You mean, the Catholics had the NERVE to defend themselves, after being attacked?
Vladimer Below is what you wrote...
Presbuteros most certainly IS in the New Testament and that is the root word of the word ‘priest’.
Presbuterous means elder and not priest... It is not the root word for priest at all. The greek word priest is a different word entirely
Matt 16:21
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders (presbuteros) and chief priests (archiereoon)and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
You need to show where elder is a root for priest... it never happens there are many other verses where elder and priest occur together and are differentiated
First see the beam in your own eye. Then maybe we can talk.
You're welcome. In all honesty, I likely won't keep it up. I don't bother posting much on the RF because of the stunning lack of basic civility on both sides... and I'm not a Religion Mod. If I were, there'd be a lot more folks banned.
If that was your intent, then this would qualify as an Epic Fail.
Lame.
Have a good day, God bless...
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