Posted on 03/08/2010 9:49:58 AM PST by NYer
It’s just Paul’s admonition. “Are you married? Remain married. Are you unmarried? Remain unmarried.”
I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand?
This is just the usual tripe from useful idiots attacking clerical celibacy.
I’m sure that you are right. The fact that a priest often interacts with children, like educators, is no doubt part of the reason for the increased odds of depravity.
Yet most cities also have gay districts where the gay bars and establishments operate, and this is presumably to foster a sense of community and make them welcome. I submit that an organization which forbids sex with women is more attractive to someone interested in boys than one that does not.
The other reason I think the rule is stupid is that there are plenty of married men AND women with great leadership qualities who could be of so much more value as leaders of a parish than sidelined in a supporting role.
The abstinence requirement is administrative policy, not scriptural and has served God, the Church, and mankind extremely well for centuries. Besides, what concern is it of yours how an organization you don't belong to conducts its affairs? If you really had any concern you would make a legitimate attempt to educate yourself on the Catechism, dogma, and encyclicals of the Church and wouldn't lurk and snipe annonymously from the internet.
Attack the messenger; never discuss the issue. Personal attacks are in bad form on the Religion Forum. You might want to ask the Religion Moderator on that topic. The creator of the universe ended all requirements of priests in 70 CE. However this Passover the YHvH commanded Priests will beginYou are up to your usual activity.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
again the Korban Pesach this Passover as spelled out in YHvH's Word.
“The priest has the experience of marriage from his own parents and the teachings of God.”
No, that’s not experience. You’re right, though, I retained a priest to witness my marriage. I will talk to my parents or hers for suggestions and advice.
The argument is silly though, and I was just making a joke in my first post. My concerns with priests not being allowed to marry (or be women) is not a joke, and something I believe has suppressed so much potential.
Good point.
“Keep in mind that he hears married people’s confessions all the time.”
Would you prefer to have heart surgery done by an experienced heart surgeon or just someone that talks to doctors all the time?
“The lesson I would take from that example is that either is acceptable.”
To Jesus, yes. To the Catholic Church? Not so much.
Your example makes no sense. Being married doesn't make someone an experienced marriage counselor, any more than having a heart makes someone a heart surgeon. And the priest isn't talking to "doctors" in the confessional, but to "patients".
Not to mention that you're posing a false dilemma -- nobody is saying there's anything wrong with going to a married marriage counselor.
I cannot imagine going to a man for marital advice that had never been married. Would you seek driving instructions from an Amish guy? I mean, he’s seen a car before, he should have some idea how it works, right?
It's not a causal connection. But the challenge of celibacy is to sublimate sexual desires -- whether those are heterosexual, homosexual, pedophilic, or what have you.
Imagine for a moment that you have sexual urges that you know to be wrong. You could choose to simply be a celibate insurance salesman (or whatever), or you could enter the priesthood, where you'd be supported and praised for your sacrifice. It's an attractive environment for people trying to suppress their sexual urges, whatever they are.
I cannot help if if you feel personally offended by the refutation of your opinions.
I courtesy copied the Religion Moderator on my response since you failed to ping him/her when you made them a party to your complaint.
Then don't. Nobody's forcing you, are they?
Celibacy: 1. abstention from sexual relations. 2. abstention by vow from marriage: the celibacy of priests. 3. the state of being unmarried.
Abstinence: The act or practice of refraining from indulging an appetite or desire, especially for alcoholic drink or sexual intercourse. -- c.1300, "forbearance in indulgence of the appetites" -- Specifically of sexual appetites from mid-14c.
In the case of Catholic priests and nuns, there is a prohibition of both marriage AND sexual relations. You're not suggesting that priests and nuns are free to engage in sexual relations, are you?
I cannot help if if you feel personally offended by the refutation of your opinions.
I courtesy copied the Religion Moderator on my response since you failed to ping him/her when you made them a party to your complaint.
Saul Alinsky's Rules
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
There you go again.
Ronald Reagan
i think you are very close to the crux of the problem. the catholic church is infested with closeted homosexuals(much like congress apparently). they need to do a much better job of seperating the celibate from the perverted.
Put some ice on it and sack up.
The Church does not differentiate between the clergy and the laity in its prohibition against sexual activity out of wedlock, but places no celibacy requirement on the laity.
So by your logic the only acceptable criteria for a heart surgeon is one who has performed surgery on himself.......
Are you a priest, ex-priest or have one in your family?
Were you a vocations director or a Catholic psychologist in this field?
What is your expertise on the subject?
I claimed no expertise.
SnakeDoc
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