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Exceptions to celibacy rule puzzle priests
cns ^ | March 8, 2010 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 03/08/2010 9:49:58 AM PST by NYer

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To: SuziQ

It’s just Paul’s admonition. “Are you married? Remain married. Are you unmarried? Remain unmarried.”

I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand?

This is just the usual tripe from useful idiots attacking clerical celibacy.


41 posted on 03/08/2010 10:57:43 AM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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To: agere_contra

I’m sure that you are right. The fact that a priest often interacts with children, like educators, is no doubt part of the reason for the increased odds of depravity.

Yet most cities also have gay districts where the gay bars and establishments operate, and this is presumably to foster a sense of community and make them welcome. I submit that an organization which forbids sex with women is more attractive to someone interested in boys than one that does not.

The other reason I think the rule is stupid is that there are plenty of married men AND women with great leadership qualities who could be of so much more value as leaders of a parish than sidelined in a supporting role.


42 posted on 03/08/2010 11:00:29 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: Natural Law
U-2012.Yah'shua ended his priesthood requirements in 70CE.

The abstinence requirement is administrative policy, not scriptural and has served God, the Church, and mankind extremely well for centuries. Besides, what concern is it of yours how an organization you don't belong to conducts its affairs? If you really had any concern you would make a legitimate attempt to educate yourself on the Catechism, dogma, and encyclicals of the Church and wouldn't lurk and snipe annonymously from the internet.

You are up to your usual activity.

Attack the messenger; never discuss the issue.

Personal attacks are in bad form on the Religion Forum.

You might want to ask the Religion Moderator on that topic.

The creator of the universe ended all requirements of priests in 70 CE.

However this Passover the YHvH commanded Priests will begin
again the Korban Pesach this Passover as spelled out in YHvH's Word.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
43 posted on 03/08/2010 11:01:48 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: NYer

“The priest has the experience of marriage from his own parents and the teachings of God.”

No, that’s not experience. You’re right, though, I retained a priest to witness my marriage. I will talk to my parents or hers for suggestions and advice.

The argument is silly though, and I was just making a joke in my first post. My concerns with priests not being allowed to marry (or be women) is not a joke, and something I believe has suppressed so much potential.


44 posted on 03/08/2010 11:06:07 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: Flightdeck

Good point.


45 posted on 03/08/2010 11:07:04 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: Campion

“Keep in mind that he hears married people’s confessions all the time.”

Would you prefer to have heart surgery done by an experienced heart surgeon or just someone that talks to doctors all the time?


46 posted on 03/08/2010 11:09:51 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: Brookhaven

“The lesson I would take from that example is that either is acceptable.”

To Jesus, yes. To the Catholic Church? Not so much.


47 posted on 03/08/2010 11:11:42 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: Grunthor
Would you prefer to have heart surgery done by an experienced heart surgeon or just someone that talks to doctors all the time?

Your example makes no sense. Being married doesn't make someone an experienced marriage counselor, any more than having a heart makes someone a heart surgeon. And the priest isn't talking to "doctors" in the confessional, but to "patients".

Not to mention that you're posing a false dilemma -- nobody is saying there's anything wrong with going to a married marriage counselor.

48 posted on 03/08/2010 11:16:01 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

I cannot imagine going to a man for marital advice that had never been married. Would you seek driving instructions from an Amish guy? I mean, he’s seen a car before, he should have some idea how it works, right?


49 posted on 03/08/2010 11:20:51 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: vladimir998
You’re completely wrong. Being celibate has NOTHING to do with raping children!

It's not a causal connection. But the challenge of celibacy is to sublimate sexual desires -- whether those are heterosexual, homosexual, pedophilic, or what have you.

Imagine for a moment that you have sexual urges that you know to be wrong. You could choose to simply be a celibate insurance salesman (or whatever), or you could enter the priesthood, where you'd be supported and praised for your sacrifice. It's an attractive environment for people trying to suppress their sexual urges, whatever they are.

50 posted on 03/08/2010 11:23:31 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; Religion Moderator
"Attack the messenger; never discuss the issue."

I cannot help if if you feel personally offended by the refutation of your opinions.

I courtesy copied the Religion Moderator on my response since you failed to ping him/her when you made them a party to your complaint.

51 posted on 03/08/2010 11:24:16 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Grunthor
I cannot imagine going to a man for marital advice that had never been married.

Then don't. Nobody's forcing you, are they?

52 posted on 03/08/2010 11:43:09 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Natural Law
You do realize that celibacy is a prohibition against marriage and is not to be confused with abstinence don't you?

Celibacy: 1. abstention from sexual relations. 2. abstention by vow from marriage: the celibacy of priests. 3. the state of being unmarried.

Abstinence: The act or practice of refraining from indulging an appetite or desire, especially for alcoholic drink or sexual intercourse. -- c.1300, "forbearance in indulgence of the appetites" -- Specifically of sexual appetites from mid-14c.

In the case of Catholic priests and nuns, there is a prohibition of both marriage AND sexual relations. You're not suggesting that priests and nuns are free to engage in sexual relations, are you?

53 posted on 03/08/2010 12:10:15 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (The Wright Bros never imagined that in the future we would all be stripping naked in order to fly.)
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To: Natural Law; Religion Moderator
U-2012>Attack the messenger; never discuss the issue.

I cannot help if if you feel personally offended by the refutation of your opinions.

I courtesy copied the Religion Moderator on my response since you failed to ping him/her when you made them a party to your complaint.

Saul Alinsky's Rules
There you go again.
Ronald Reagan
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
54 posted on 03/08/2010 12:12:43 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: ReignOfError

i think you are very close to the crux of the problem. the catholic church is infested with closeted homosexuals(much like congress apparently). they need to do a much better job of seperating the celibate from the perverted.


55 posted on 03/08/2010 12:18:26 PM PST by cdpap
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"There you go again."

Put some ice on it and sack up.

56 posted on 03/08/2010 12:33:28 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
"You're not suggesting that priests and nuns are free to engage in sexual relations, are you?"

The Church does not differentiate between the clergy and the laity in its prohibition against sexual activity out of wedlock, but places no celibacy requirement on the laity.

57 posted on 03/08/2010 12:36:46 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Grunthor
"Would you prefer to have heart surgery done by an experienced heart surgeon or just someone that talks to doctors all the time?"

So by your logic the only acceptable criteria for a heart surgeon is one who has performed surgery on himself.......

58 posted on 03/08/2010 12:39:41 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: SnakeDoctor

Are you a priest, ex-priest or have one in your family?

Were you a vocations director or a Catholic psychologist in this field?

What is your expertise on the subject?


59 posted on 03/08/2010 2:02:13 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: AliVeritas

I claimed no expertise.

SnakeDoc


60 posted on 03/08/2010 2:10:36 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (The night is darkest just before the dawn, but [...] the dawn is coming. -- Harvey Dent)
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