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Exceptions to celibacy rule puzzle priests
cns ^ | March 8, 2010 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 03/08/2010 9:49:58 AM PST by NYer


.Deacon John Burns, a seminarian from the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, center, attends a theological conference on priestly celibacy at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome March 4. Burns and several other seminarians from the Pontifical North American College attended the two-day conference. (CNS photo/Paul Haring

VATICAN CITY -- Exceptions to celibacy for priests in the Roman Catholic Church can be puzzling, including for young priests enthusiastic about their vocation.

The Pontifical University of the Holy Cross, run by Opus Dei in Rome, held a theological conference on priestly celibacy March 4-5 and while no one challenged mandatory celibacy, there were repeated questions about the exceptions made in some of the Eastern Catholic churches and for clergy coming from the Anglican Communion.

"If celibacy is so tied theologically and spiritually to priestly identity, why the exceptions?" the questioners asked.

Speakers at the conference, attended mostly by priests and seminarians, acknowledged the confusion caused by the exceptions and by the frequent statement that celibacy is a discipline, not a dogma, and so conceivably could change.

"In the eyes of many, the church hierarchy and especially the Apostolic See seem to hold contradictory positions on priestly celibacy," said Father Laurent Touze, a professor of spiritual theology and author of a book on the future of priestly celibacy.

"On the one hand, there is a firm insistence on the non-negotiability of celibacy," he said, while at the same time there are granted "exceptions to celibacy," including Pope Benedict XVI's provisions in late 2009 for ordaining as Catholic priests married former Anglican ministers.

Many people think, "If these exceptions are possible, why not abolish a frequently contested discipline and at least make it optional," Father Touze said.

For Father Touze, the answer lies in the spiritual and theological meaning of priesthood.

Priests are called by God to imitate Christ, the bridegroom, by dedicating themselves totally to God and to serving his people, he said. And they are called to stand in Christ's place at the Eucharist, pouring themselves out for the salvation of others, he said.

The conference also looked at another factor that often creates confusion regarding celibacy: the debate over the practice of the early church and the widespread assumption that celibacy for priests was a fourth-century invention of the church.

Father Stefan Heid, a professor at Rome's Pontifical Institute of Sacred Archeology and author of "Celibacy," a historical study, said Pope Siricius was insisting on a practice embraced by the Twelve Apostles and followed in the early church when he decreed in 385 that all clergy must live lives of perfect chastity.

"Popes do not invent anything," Father Heid said. "Siricius would have been made to look ridiculous suddenly imposing on thousands of clergy something that hadn't existed up to then."

Instead, the priest said his research led him to believe the pope's decree was a formal reaffirmation of church practice at a time when it was coming under attack.

Father Heid said that like the apostles, married men who became priests in the early church lived completely chaste lives after ordination. He described those who have tried to suggest Jesus himself was married, perhaps to Mary Magdalene, as romance novelists masquerading as biblical scholars.

Archbishop Angelo Amato, prefect of the Congregation for Saints' Causes and former secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said Jesus' perfect chastity touches "the most intimate and sacred nucleus of his human existence: his love."

The Bible does not speak explicitly about Jesus' celibacy, he said, which could be why so few theologians have reflected on priestly celibacy as an imitation of Christ rather than simply as a way of giving up everything for Christ as religious do.

"In any case, this silence is reflected in catechesis, which says nothing in this regard, so Christians often demonstrate perplexity and misunderstanding about this reality" and their confusion is increased "by not a few pseudo-scientific articles or by bizarre and false film portrayals of Jesus' sexuality," the archbishop said.

Jesus' choice not to marry "was not a casual choice. He chose to be himself," the archbishop said. By renouncing marriage, he was able to love all people with a self-giving and life-giving love.

Conference speakers also acknowledged -- and rejected -- common claims about the damaging psychological effects of celibacy.

Aquilino Polaino Lorente, a professor of psychopathology at the University of St. Paul Medical School in Madrid, said that accepting God's call to a vocation as a celibate priest "does not carry any more psychological risks than marriage does."

Human beings, with their intelligence and freedom, do not have to act on their sexual impulses in order to be happy and healthy, he said, and, in fact, never controlling those impulses is a sure sign of a serious psychological problem.

"Naturally, renouncing sexuality -- an important part of human love -- has a cost. But much less than most people think," he said. "To the degree that a person gives himself fully to the aim of his life and the reason for his existence, chastity costs less. To the degree that the person forgets himself and gives himself to others, renouncing sexuality weighs less because it is lived in the fullness of a freely chosen love."


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1 posted on 03/08/2010 9:49:58 AM PST by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 03/08/2010 9:50:13 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

There should be no puzzlement here. Being a priest is a full time 24/7/365 job. Dividing time between a parish and a family guarantees that each will suffer.


3 posted on 03/08/2010 9:55:42 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: NYer

It cracks me up that I had to sit down with a priest several times for marriage “counseling” prior to being married in a church.

What do you know about marriage? Nothing, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!


4 posted on 03/08/2010 9:57:08 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: NYer
Exceptions to celibacy rule puzzle priests

Yah'shua ended his priesthood requirements in 70CE.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
5 posted on 03/08/2010 10:00:24 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: NYer
The exception for Anglican order priests is a matter of simple justice. They were already priests, and were also already married when they entered the Catholic Church. It is my understanding that they are not eligible to serve as Pastors of a Roman Catholic Parish, if they are married. I'm not sure how that works now, with the Anglican Ordinariate. Maybe they'd be allowed to be Pastors at a Parish under the Anglican Ordinariate, simply because those Parishes would be modeled after the Anglican ones from which they had come.

When a Seminarian is Ordained to the Transitional Diaconate, he already knows of the celibacy requirement, and is making his vows with that full knowledge. A married men may be ordained to the Permanent Diaconate, but if his wife dies, he is bound by the celibacy requirement until HIS death.

No one is forced into a life of celibacy; it is chosen, and with full knowledge beforehand.

6 posted on 03/08/2010 10:00:26 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Natural Law

“There should be no puzzlement here. Being a priest is a full time 24/7/365 job. “

What, so priests don’t sleep? Or watch the news or go out to eat? That’s ridiculous. Plenty seem to find time to satisfy their pedophilistic needs, and if the church retains this primitive rule, it will continue to attract that type of man in disproportionate number. And YES, I know there are plenty of exceptional, righteous people in the priesthood. Doesn’t change the fact that the Catholic church has been historically one of the most institutionally corrupt and immoral organizations on the face of the planet.


7 posted on 03/08/2010 10:01:25 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: Flightdeck
Keep in mind that he hears married people's confessions all the time.

Bishop Fulton Sheen and Pope John Paul II both had some very profound ideas and insights on the married state of life, despite both being celibate men.

And I know that because I've read their writings, and I've been married for 21 years.

8 posted on 03/08/2010 10:02:22 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Flightdeck

LOL! That priest with whom you sat down might not have first-hand knowledge of marriage, but he’s seen and heard about most of the problems married couples have today, so is in a position to be an objective third party in the matter.


9 posted on 03/08/2010 10:02:44 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Natural Law

There are a LOT of jobs that are 24/7/365 ... solider, President, policeman, pastor, etc. These are callings, not jobs. However, to my mind, that alone does not justify requiring celibacy.

SnakeDoc


10 posted on 03/08/2010 10:03:05 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (The night is darkest just before the dawn, but [...] the dawn is coming. -- Harvey Dent)
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To: Flightdeck
Plenty seem to find time to satisfy their pedophilistic needs, and if the church retains this primitive rule, it will continue to attract that type of man in disproportionate number.

Only, if by "plenty", you mean about 2% of priests. As for celibacy being some sort of cause for sexual abuse, how would you explain the thousands of married men who commit sexual abuse each year? I daresay, of the population in the US, there is a larger percentage of MARRIED men committing sexual abuse, than celibate men.

11 posted on 03/08/2010 10:06:26 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Flightdeck

You wrote:

“It cracks me up that I had to sit down with a priest several times for marriage “counseling” prior to being married in a church. What do you know about marriage?”

More than many married men - since priests aid THOUSANDS of couples and here the confessions of THOUSANDS of married men and women who struggle with marriage.


12 posted on 03/08/2010 10:09:39 AM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Flightdeck

You wrote:

“and if the church retains this primitive rule, it will continue to attract that type of man in disproportionate number.”

You’re completely wrong. Being celibate has NOTHING to do with raping children!


13 posted on 03/08/2010 10:12:48 AM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: SnakeDoctor

The exceptions just seem to be practical from what I can tell.

I have always been a little puzzled by the celibacy requirement (and this comes from a non-catholic). At least some of the apostles were married. I can’t imagine any current priest doing more important work than any of the apostles. It would seem to me that if celibacy was really that important that Jesus would have chosen 12 unmarried apostles to the set the example. Instead, the example we have is a mixed bag: some unmarried apostles and some married apostles.

The lesson I would take from that example is that either is acceptable.


14 posted on 03/08/2010 10:16:49 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: vladimir998

>> More than many married men - since priests aid THOUSANDS of couples and here the confessions of THOUSANDS of married men and women who struggle with marriage.

I don’t really buy that. First of all — what about the first couple to whom the priest had to give counseling or advice? If the thousands of confessionals/ counseling sessions are what qualifies him ... what qualifies him for the first group of counseling sessions he gives?

Secondly, as in any other field, there is a definite difference in book-learning and actual experience. I wouldn’t go to court with the advice of an attorney that, though he went to law school, had never seen the inside of a courtroom ... and I would question taking marital advice from someone who has no experience whatsoever in actual practicing what he preaches.

SnakeDoc


15 posted on 03/08/2010 10:17:37 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (The night is darkest just before the dawn, but [...] the dawn is coming. -- Harvey Dent)
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To: Natural Law
Being a priest is a full time 24/7/365 job. Dividing time between a parish and a family guarantees that each will suffer.

Agreed. Even the Patriarch of the Maronite Catholic Church concurs.

Maronite Rite Cardinal defends, praises celibate priesthood, but admits can create other serious problems
Oct 15, 2005
Speaking to the 11th General Synod Fathers, gathered for their eighth meeting this morning at the Vatican, Cardinal Nasrallah Pierre Sfeir, who is Patriarch of Antioch of the Maronites in Lebanon--a Catholic rite which allows for married priests--addressed the issue, which has been brought up by many, particularly in light of the U.S. sex abuse scandal, of commonly permitting married priests in the Roman rite.

Vatican City, Oct. 07, 2005 (CNA) - The Cardinal defended the practice of the celibate priesthood and discussed the beauty of the tradition, calling it the "most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church."

While pointing out that "the Maronite Church admits married priests" and that "half of our diocesan priests are married", the Cardinal Patriarch said that "it must be recognized that if admitting married men resolves one problem, it creates others just as serious."

"A married priest", he said, "has the duty to look after his wife and family, ensuring his children receive a good education and overseeing their entry into society. ... Another difficulty facing a married priest arises if he does not enjoy a good relationship with his parishioners; his bishop cannot transfer him because of the difficulty of transferring his whole family.

He noted that "married priests have perpetuated the faith among people whose difficult lives they shared, and without them this faith would no longer exist."

"On the other hand," he said, "celibacy is the most precious jewel in the treasury of the Catholic Church,"

Lamenting a culture which is all but outright opposed to purity, the Cardinal asked: "How can [celibacy] be conserved in an atmosphere laden with eroticism? Newspapers, Internet, billboards, shows, everything appears shameless and constantly offends the virtue of chastity."

Suggesting that their are no easy solutions to the problem of priest shortages in the Church--an oft brought up point during the Synod--he noted that, "Of course a priest, once ordained, can no longer get married. Sending priests to countries where they are lacking, taking them from a country that has many, is not the ideal solution if one bears in mind the question of tradition, customs and mentality. The problem remains."

16 posted on 03/08/2010 10:20:32 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Flightdeck
Natural Law

Doesn’t change the fact that the Catholic church has been historically one of the most institutionally corrupt and immoral organizations on the face of the planet.

Sex Abuse by Protestant Clergy

17 posted on 03/08/2010 10:23:28 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

So...St. Peter abandoned his wife?


18 posted on 03/08/2010 10:25:06 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Freepmail me to get on the Bourbon ping list.)
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To: SuziQ
No one is forced into a life of celibacy; it is chosen, and with full knowledge beforehand.

Agreed! My Maronite Catholic pastor chose celibacy; his grandfather, on the other hand, was a married priest.

19 posted on 03/08/2010 10:25:11 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Brookhaven

My questions are both practical and theological.

To me, woman was created to complete man, because it is not good for man to be alone, and thus a man should leave his parents and cleave to his wife. Marriage is a gift from the Almighty. Why would God want His most faithful followers to intentionally skip-out on the blessings He bestowed on all of mankind?

Peter, the rock on which the papacy is based, was married.

SnakeDoc


20 posted on 03/08/2010 10:29:17 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (The night is darkest just before the dawn, but [...] the dawn is coming. -- Harvey Dent)
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To: SnakeDoctor

http://johnshuster.com/thirtynine_popes.htm


21 posted on 03/08/2010 10:30:32 AM PST by spectre ( Spectre's wife)
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To: SnakeDoctor
"However, to my mind, that alone does not justify requiring celibacy."

You do realize that celibacy is a prohibition against marriage and is not to be confused with abstinence don't you? Can you explain why the military academies prohibit cadets and midshipmen from marrying?

22 posted on 03/08/2010 10:31:34 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
So...St. Peter abandoned his wife?

Where does Scripture say that peter's wife was alive? oOly his mother in law is mentioned.

23 posted on 03/08/2010 10:31:50 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

He did not abandon his wife.

I doubt St Peter was celibate. The requirement for priests is a discipline, not a doctrine. It appears to have been in place since the early Church, but I don’t think it was that early.


24 posted on 03/08/2010 10:33:11 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: vladimir998

“More than many married men...”

You just lost credibility. Someone can read a hundred books and hear a million stories, but if they haven’t been married and personally raised the children that are the fruits of a marriage, then they are the farthest thing from an expert. They’re not even an amateur. I have three children and laugh in the face of anyone without children who tries to give me advice.


25 posted on 03/08/2010 10:34:23 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"Yah'shua ended his priesthood requirements in 70CE."

The abstinence requirement is administrative policy, not scriptural and has served God, the Church, and mankind extremely well for centuries. Besides, what concern is it of yours how an organization you don't belong to conducts its affairs? If you really had any concern you would make a legitimate attempt to educate yourself on the Catechism, dogma, and encyclicals of the Church and wouldn't lurk and snipe annonymously from the internet.

26 posted on 03/08/2010 10:37:04 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Flightdeck
Doesn’t change the fact that the Catholic church has been historically one of the most institutionally corrupt and immoral organizations on the face of the planet.

What nonsense. You just outed yourself as a gibbering whackjob.

27 posted on 03/08/2010 10:37:07 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Flightdeck; vladimir998
You just lost credibility. Someone can read a hundred books and hear a million stories, but if they haven’t been married and personally raised the children that are the fruits of a marriage, then they are the farthest thing from an expert.

Would you apply the same thought process towards your wife's selection of an Ob/Gyn? Or what about a female Ob/Gyn who never gave birth? How well equipped are either of these physicians, to deliver babies?

28 posted on 03/08/2010 10:38:01 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: vladimir998

“Being celibate has NOTHING to do with raping children!”

Raping children is obviously the opposite of celibacy. However if you are going to challenge that there isn’t a higher population of child sexual abusers in the clergy than the general public, I’ll take you up on it.


29 posted on 03/08/2010 10:38:28 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: Natural Law

>> You do realize that celibacy is a prohibition against marriage and is not to be confused with abstinence don’t you?

I understand what celibacy means in this context — thanks ... though my understanding for priests (not military cadets) is that celibacy included abstinence.

>> Can you explain why the military academies prohibit cadets and midshipmen from marrying?

Can you explain why they don’t prohibit marriage when they’re out of the academies and actually serving? They are committing to not marrying during their training, not during the actual performance of their job duties. It is a temporary commitment, during which cadets are permitted to continue dating and marry upon graduation. This makes sense. Priestly celibacy does not.

SnakeDoc


30 posted on 03/08/2010 10:39:42 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (The night is darkest just before the dawn, but [...] the dawn is coming. -- Harvey Dent)
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To: NYer

“Would you apply the same thought process towards your wife’s selection of an Ob/Gyn? Or what about a female Ob/Gyn who never gave birth? How well equipped are either of these physicians, to deliver babies?”

Of course I would. I would much prefer an Ob/Gyn who had experience delivering babies instead of one who had never done so before. In fact, that is a very good example that supports my argument. Was that a trick question? Or did you not apply your own analogy appropriately?


31 posted on 03/08/2010 10:41:33 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: agere_contra

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


32 posted on 03/08/2010 10:42:10 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: agere_contra

“What nonsense. You just outed yourself as a gibbering whackjob.”

Do you really need me to outline in detail the centuries of corruption at the top of the catholic church (note the distinction between leadership and the front lines)? I’m gonna point out that only one of us has made a personal attack (see the vicious insult above). Maybe you should practice what your church preaches.


33 posted on 03/08/2010 10:44:35 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: SnakeDoctor
"Priestly celibacy does not."

The Catholic Church requires that married men make their families a higher priority than their vocations. This would require married priests to place the wants and needs of their families above that of their flock which is incompatible with the duties and priorities of the priest.

34 posted on 03/08/2010 10:45:11 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Flightdeck
There's a higher population of child sexual abusers in the clergy American Education system than in the general population. FR has on average one headline a fortnight on the subject.

That's because the American Education system is what's called a targetted institution: one that paedophiles gravitate towards because it puts them in touch with children.

The same is true for any organisation that works with children. Boy Scouts, you name it, they all have more paedophiles than the general norm. Not because the Boy Scouts are evil, but because that's where the children are.

Tell me: do you believe that celibacy is the cause of the ludicrously high level of paedophilia and child abuse in the American Education system?

35 posted on 03/08/2010 10:48:15 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Flightdeck
I would much prefer an Ob/Gyn who had experience delivering babies instead of one who had never done so before.

The question referred to an Ob/Gyn who had never given birth? Never experienced gestation or birth? Should giving birth be a mandatory qualification for an Ob/Gyn?

36 posted on 03/08/2010 10:50:27 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

“Should giving birth be a mandatory qualification for an Ob/Gyn?”

Why would it be? Is part of their job description giving birth? I don’t hire an Ob/Gyn to give birth, I hire them to deliver a baby.


37 posted on 03/08/2010 10:51:55 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: Natural Law

Well it also dates back to a time when the Roman Catholic Church was effectively the largest governing body on earth... wives or children of a priest could be the focus or ire and abuse and intimidation.


38 posted on 03/08/2010 10:53:17 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Flightdeck
I don’t hire an Ob/Gyn to give birth, I hire them to deliver a baby.

Of course. And you retain a priest to witness to your marriage. The priest has the experience of marriage from his own parents and the teachings of God.

39 posted on 03/08/2010 10:56:12 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Flightdeck

Christ was never married either.


40 posted on 03/08/2010 10:56:32 AM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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To: SuziQ

It’s just Paul’s admonition. “Are you married? Remain married. Are you unmarried? Remain unmarried.”

I don’t see what’s so difficult to understand?

This is just the usual tripe from useful idiots attacking clerical celibacy.


41 posted on 03/08/2010 10:57:43 AM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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To: agere_contra

I’m sure that you are right. The fact that a priest often interacts with children, like educators, is no doubt part of the reason for the increased odds of depravity.

Yet most cities also have gay districts where the gay bars and establishments operate, and this is presumably to foster a sense of community and make them welcome. I submit that an organization which forbids sex with women is more attractive to someone interested in boys than one that does not.

The other reason I think the rule is stupid is that there are plenty of married men AND women with great leadership qualities who could be of so much more value as leaders of a parish than sidelined in a supporting role.


42 posted on 03/08/2010 11:00:29 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: Natural Law
U-2012.Yah'shua ended his priesthood requirements in 70CE.

The abstinence requirement is administrative policy, not scriptural and has served God, the Church, and mankind extremely well for centuries. Besides, what concern is it of yours how an organization you don't belong to conducts its affairs? If you really had any concern you would make a legitimate attempt to educate yourself on the Catechism, dogma, and encyclicals of the Church and wouldn't lurk and snipe annonymously from the internet.

You are up to your usual activity.

Attack the messenger; never discuss the issue.

Personal attacks are in bad form on the Religion Forum.

You might want to ask the Religion Moderator on that topic.

The creator of the universe ended all requirements of priests in 70 CE.

However this Passover the YHvH commanded Priests will begin
again the Korban Pesach this Passover as spelled out in YHvH's Word.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
43 posted on 03/08/2010 11:01:48 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: NYer

“The priest has the experience of marriage from his own parents and the teachings of God.”

No, that’s not experience. You’re right, though, I retained a priest to witness my marriage. I will talk to my parents or hers for suggestions and advice.

The argument is silly though, and I was just making a joke in my first post. My concerns with priests not being allowed to marry (or be women) is not a joke, and something I believe has suppressed so much potential.


44 posted on 03/08/2010 11:06:07 AM PST by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: Flightdeck

Good point.


45 posted on 03/08/2010 11:07:04 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: Campion

“Keep in mind that he hears married people’s confessions all the time.”

Would you prefer to have heart surgery done by an experienced heart surgeon or just someone that talks to doctors all the time?


46 posted on 03/08/2010 11:09:51 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: Brookhaven

“The lesson I would take from that example is that either is acceptable.”

To Jesus, yes. To the Catholic Church? Not so much.


47 posted on 03/08/2010 11:11:42 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: Grunthor
Would you prefer to have heart surgery done by an experienced heart surgeon or just someone that talks to doctors all the time?

Your example makes no sense. Being married doesn't make someone an experienced marriage counselor, any more than having a heart makes someone a heart surgeon. And the priest isn't talking to "doctors" in the confessional, but to "patients".

Not to mention that you're posing a false dilemma -- nobody is saying there's anything wrong with going to a married marriage counselor.

48 posted on 03/08/2010 11:16:01 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion

I cannot imagine going to a man for marital advice that had never been married. Would you seek driving instructions from an Amish guy? I mean, he’s seen a car before, he should have some idea how it works, right?


49 posted on 03/08/2010 11:20:51 AM PST by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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You’re completely wrong. Being celibate has NOTHING to do with raping children!

It's not a causal connection. But the challenge of celibacy is to sublimate sexual desires -- whether those are heterosexual, homosexual, pedophilic, or what have you.

Imagine for a moment that you have sexual urges that you know to be wrong. You could choose to simply be a celibate insurance salesman (or whatever), or you could enter the priesthood, where you'd be supported and praised for your sacrifice. It's an attractive environment for people trying to suppress their sexual urges, whatever they are.

50 posted on 03/08/2010 11:23:31 AM PST by ReignOfError
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