Posted on 03/08/2010 9:49:58 AM PST by NYer
You do realize that celibacy is a prohibition against marriage and is not to be confused with abstinence don't you? Can you explain why the military academies prohibit cadets and midshipmen from marrying?
Where does Scripture say that peter's wife was alive? oOly his mother in law is mentioned.
He did not abandon his wife.
I doubt St Peter was celibate. The requirement for priests is a discipline, not a doctrine. It appears to have been in place since the early Church, but I don’t think it was that early.
“More than many married men...”
You just lost credibility. Someone can read a hundred books and hear a million stories, but if they haven’t been married and personally raised the children that are the fruits of a marriage, then they are the farthest thing from an expert. They’re not even an amateur. I have three children and laugh in the face of anyone without children who tries to give me advice.
The abstinence requirement is administrative policy, not scriptural and has served God, the Church, and mankind extremely well for centuries. Besides, what concern is it of yours how an organization you don't belong to conducts its affairs? If you really had any concern you would make a legitimate attempt to educate yourself on the Catechism, dogma, and encyclicals of the Church and wouldn't lurk and snipe annonymously from the internet.
What nonsense. You just outed yourself as a gibbering whackjob.
Would you apply the same thought process towards your wife's selection of an Ob/Gyn? Or what about a female Ob/Gyn who never gave birth? How well equipped are either of these physicians, to deliver babies?
“Being celibate has NOTHING to do with raping children!”
Raping children is obviously the opposite of celibacy. However if you are going to challenge that there isn’t a higher population of child sexual abusers in the clergy than the general public, I’ll take you up on it.
>> You do realize that celibacy is a prohibition against marriage and is not to be confused with abstinence don’t you?
I understand what celibacy means in this context — thanks ... though my understanding for priests (not military cadets) is that celibacy included abstinence.
>> Can you explain why the military academies prohibit cadets and midshipmen from marrying?
Can you explain why they don’t prohibit marriage when they’re out of the academies and actually serving? They are committing to not marrying during their training, not during the actual performance of their job duties. It is a temporary commitment, during which cadets are permitted to continue dating and marry upon graduation. This makes sense. Priestly celibacy does not.
SnakeDoc
“Would you apply the same thought process towards your wife’s selection of an Ob/Gyn? Or what about a female Ob/Gyn who never gave birth? How well equipped are either of these physicians, to deliver babies?”
Of course I would. I would much prefer an Ob/Gyn who had experience delivering babies instead of one who had never done so before. In fact, that is a very good example that supports my argument. Was that a trick question? Or did you not apply your own analogy appropriately?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
“What nonsense. You just outed yourself as a gibbering whackjob.”
Do you really need me to outline in detail the centuries of corruption at the top of the catholic church (note the distinction between leadership and the front lines)? I’m gonna point out that only one of us has made a personal attack (see the vicious insult above). Maybe you should practice what your church preaches.
The Catholic Church requires that married men make their families a higher priority than their vocations. This would require married priests to place the wants and needs of their families above that of their flock which is incompatible with the duties and priorities of the priest.
That's because the American Education system is what's called a targetted institution: one that paedophiles gravitate towards because it puts them in touch with children.
The same is true for any organisation that works with children. Boy Scouts, you name it, they all have more paedophiles than the general norm. Not because the Boy Scouts are evil, but because that's where the children are.
Tell me: do you believe that celibacy is the cause of the ludicrously high level of paedophilia and child abuse in the American Education system?
The question referred to an Ob/Gyn who had never given birth? Never experienced gestation or birth? Should giving birth be a mandatory qualification for an Ob/Gyn?
“Should giving birth be a mandatory qualification for an Ob/Gyn?”
Why would it be? Is part of their job description giving birth? I don’t hire an Ob/Gyn to give birth, I hire them to deliver a baby.
Well it also dates back to a time when the Roman Catholic Church was effectively the largest governing body on earth... wives or children of a priest could be the focus or ire and abuse and intimidation.
Of course. And you retain a priest to witness to your marriage. The priest has the experience of marriage from his own parents and the teachings of God.
Christ was never married either.
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