Posted on 03/15/2010 12:07:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
Edited on 03/23/2010 6:15:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
When Glenn Beck told listeners of his radio show on March 2 that they should "run as fast as you can" from any church that preached "social or economic justice" because those were code words for Communism and Nazism, he probably thought he was tweaking a few crunchy religious liberals who didn't listen to the show anyway. Instead he managed to outrage Christians in most mainline Protestant denominations, African-American congregations, Hispanic churches, and Catholics...
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Colorcountry, you made a statement about it not being our desire, but it’s the desire of God that is all important. I’m just trying to see if you really believed that or if you are more than willing to put limitations on God’s desire.
It isn’t about what this Mormon’s warped mind can come up with, rather it’s about seeing if you really meant what you said.
Are you willing to put limitations on God’s will?
Absolutely not! I trust God implicitly for God is good and just.
Are you willing to put limitations on God's Grace?
It doesn’t.
In your own words, what does the typical Christian think salvation is and what does the typical Mormon think exaltation is?
In the Mormon view, is there salvation without exaltation?
I could answer those questions, but I want to see what you remember from your Mormon days.
Do I put limitations on God’s grace? Interesting question, but before I answer, let me ask you if there is a limitation on God’s grace?
If there is no limitation on His grace, then would there be a Hell?
The important part of Beck’s thesis is this:
Certain parts of the Christian religion, regardless of denomination, serve as cover for very thinly veiled Progressive activism.
If you are willing to be a part of Progressive activism, then stay in that church, and understand all the implications of that choice. If not, get the hell out of there.
Just make sure you’re honest with yourself about what you’re supporting.
For a Christian, Salvation is Eternal life with God.
Go ahead, now that I answered what is exaltation?
Because with Mormon salvation, you do not dwell with God - Therefore Mormon salvation is not equal with Christian Salvation. In the telestial Kingdom, the terrestrial Kingdom - no dwelling with God - only in the Celestial Kingdom through Exaltation which a Mormon must earn through works, does one have free exchanges with God, by becoming a god.
And no more of your snide, “if you were Mormon,” crap. I was Mormon. I can post my entire genealogy if you wish....Mormons now and going back to the mid 1800’s every.single.one! - I once had it on my homepage. At least be man enough to grant me my history.
No, you still have it wrong. You said that with Mormons, salvation is to not live with God. I’ve never been taught that. Where did you hear that from? Exaltation is impossible without salvation.
There are two different forms of salvation, spiritual and physical.
In typical Christianity, I have heard many Evangelicals state that the rewards they receive in Heaven is based on their works, but getting to Heaven, or being saved, is strictly based on grace.
I’m not saying that all Evangelicals believe this, but I have many tell me that this is what they believe. Am I mistaken here?
You answer my questions first, okay?
You stated a error as if it was a truth. Am I incorrect here?
You said that salvation, in the Mormon world, is to not be with God. I said that that is an incorrect assumption and I believe that as a former Mormon, you should have known that. Physical salvation is being resurrected and spiritual salvation is living with God again.
You made an incorrect assumption and I just want to know if you understood that?
From lds.com
Eternal Life, or Exaltation. In the scriptures, the words saved and salvation often refer to eternal life, or exaltation (see Abraham 2:11). Eternal life is to know Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and dwell with Them forever—to inherit a place in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom (see John 17:3; D&C 131:1–4; 132:21–24). This exaltation requires that men receive the Melchizedek Priesthood, and that all Church members make and keep sacred covenants in the temple, including the covenant of eternal marriage. If the word salvation is used in this sense, no one is saved in mortality. That glorious gift comes only after the Final Judgment.
See also Atonement of Jesus Christ; Baptism; Eternal Life; Grace; Kingdoms of Glory; Plan of Salvation
Once again, you are seeing the same words that you use, but in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they mean something different. Nothing wrong with that as long as the people discussing realize where the other person is coming from.
In the CofJCofLDS, Eternal Life is equivalent to exaltation, but it is not equivalent to what you mean when you say Eternal Life. But as a knowledgeable former member of the Church, you should know this.
If I’m correct, you believe that eternal life is simply being saved in spite of our sins and then living with God the Father for the eternities after the resurrection. Am I incorrect here?
And you are incorrect. You are imputing words and ideas to me that I did not state.
You know very well that Mormonism teaches that salvation can mean physical salvation to the terrestrial and telestial kingdoms and that those who dwell there do not dwell with God. He can visit them, but they cannot visit him nor anyone in a higher kingdom.
Telestial glory will be reserved for individuals who “received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus” (D&C 76:82). These individuals will receive their glory after being redeemed from spirit prison, which is sometimes called hell (see D&C 76:84, D&C 76:106). A detailed explanation of those who will inherit telestial glory is found in Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–90, 98–106, 109–112.
Again from lds.org
yes you are incorrect.
Once again, you are seeing the same words that you use, but in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they mean something different. Nothing wrong with that as long as the people discussing realize where the other person is coming from.
Okay, I’m incorrect. How am I incorrect?
I would too! ;)
Man up and answer the questions you said you would answer. Until then, I am through with this discussion about how Christian words have different meanings to the LDS (which BTW, is exactly what I have been saying all along)
Thanks for playing, but you didn’t win the grand prize.
LOL....Elsie you’ve GOT to see this post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2471480/posts?page=672#672
If you go back to the original post, number 666, you said “Because with Mormon salvation, you do not dwell with God.” I’m just trying to point out the if you believe this, then you are wrong. Physical salvation WITHOUT dwelling with God is POSSIBLE, but spiritual salvation means to dwell with God.
Can you see the difference?
I’m an engineer on a huge project. It involves thousands of people. At that start of each phase of the project, when new people are brought on, we have meetings to just understand where each other is coming from. Quite often, each group will use the same words, but the words don’t mean the same thing, so we have these meetings to clarify the terminology.
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