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Pope Benedict to deliver 'intense' message during Fatima visit
EWTN News ^ | 5/5/2010

Posted on 05/05/2010 10:48:55 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Mad Dawg

The apparent systematic and secretive nature of the whole thing, across continents with your church, is what creates so much alarm, Mad Dawg. I, myself, have some degree of sympathy with the way your church has been targeted, I recall quite clearly the disgusting and blasphemous attacks by ACT UP!, slinging condoms and chanting filth after breaking in during mass. I’ve long felt that your seminaries were deliberately infiltrated.

I also think nearly every large Protestant denomination has been targeted and infiltrated. But, we separate ourselves from these just as we separated ourselves from Catholicism oh so many centuries ago. We join another congregation, oftentimes another denomination and perhaps even none at all, and feel no loss other than perhaps historical or family associations. The Church to us is the body of believers, and where ever we’re gathered in His name is the Church. You don’t do this, other than perhaps seeking out a more conservative parish. That’s just the way it is.

What anger I have comes from the rationalizations and excuses that otherwise well-meaning Catholics put forth, in a misguided belief that they are protecting their church. Wrong is wrong, remove it from among yourselves. I know this, you know this. Every Christian does, or should. That’s why it keeps getting dredged back up. I hope for your sake and mine, that your church deals with the problem thoroughly and effectively. It’s doing untold harm to efforts of longstanding to bring souls to salvation.

I’ll say the same for the Episcopal Church, with allowing open homosexuals into the pulpit, as well as any other Protestant denomination permitting or considering anything similar. No good will come of it from a Christian perspective, and anyone who is even a casual student of the Bible knows this. Minister to them, certainly. They’re children of God and are sinners, as we all are sinners. Declaring your sin a lifestyle or an identity and then proceeding to deny that it’s sin at all, is not Christian at all, though, and never will be, no matter how long or how loudly they bellow about it.


851 posted on 05/09/2010 7:15:27 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mad Dawg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

Have started listening to this video . . . by a Roman Catholic on Fatima secrets etc.

It’s a good one:

http://www.fatimachallenge.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67:is-there-a-missing-text-of-the-third-secret&catid=25&Itemid=15


852 posted on 05/09/2010 7:29:31 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Have started listening to this video . . . by a Roman Catholic on Fatima secrets etc.

Thx.

853 posted on 05/09/2010 7:35:41 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your beautiful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

And it may well be so; that we were made, not for this world, but for the world to come.

Indeed.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. - Revelation 21:1

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. – I Corinthians 15:42-45

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. – Romans 8:15-17

And I very strongly agree that God prepared the world for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and often point to Alexander the Great's normalizing the Greek language throughout the civilized world.

Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. - Einstein

Also when I meditate on this phrase in the 23rd Psalm ...

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. - Psalms 23:4

I remember that we Christians need never fear evil because God is with us. Indeed, we needn't fear anything man can do to us - including physical death.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. – Matthew 10:28

The LORD [is] my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD [is] the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? - Psalms 27:1

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Colossians 3:3

God's Name is I AM!

854 posted on 05/09/2010 9:35:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


855 posted on 05/09/2010 10:09:17 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom; Quix
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!

I suspect the reason many people do not see miracles is that they don't a) believe or b) forgive.

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them]. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. – Mark 11:24-26

God's Name is I AM.

856 posted on 05/09/2010 10:19:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
Have started listening to this video . . . by a Roman Catholic on Fatima secrets etc.

Watched the video, if this guy is right, the Vatican is still running around in circles on Fatima and continuing to cover up.
Probably would be considered a Catholic in name only by most, but have found in the last few years that I'm the most comfortable in church when I'm in it by myself, no priest, no crowds, no rituals, no symbolism, just me praying to the Lord, giving thanks and asking for guidance.

857 posted on 05/09/2010 10:26:09 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: MarkBsnr

You prefer evidence that aliens are demons? There is plenty of documented UFO sightings, and people that have claimed to be abducted by aliens, some who have DURING the abduction claimed that praying to Jesus, or asking for Jesus, or saying the name Jesus has promptly stopped the abduction, I don’t know how clear I can make this to you. I believe Jesus died for my sins, and rose 3 days later. Being a person of faith, you require hard evidence to believe in something?


858 posted on 05/09/2010 11:07:42 PM PDT by IamCenny
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To: MarkBsnr

I’m saying that there are not aliens, but demons. Interfering with the world, deceiving many souls, why couldn’t demons visit the earthly plane and deceive the eyes of men? I don’t understand, you believe in God, but refute that “aliens/UFO’s/abductions could be demonic” in presence.


859 posted on 05/09/2010 11:12:37 PM PDT by IamCenny
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To: Quix

It’s almost maddening , isn’t it?


860 posted on 05/09/2010 11:23:27 PM PDT by IamCenny
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To: RegulatorCountry
You would like the, ahem, drum roll, vicar provincial of the Eastern Province of of Dominicans. AND I think you would like his thinking.

This guy is a friend, and someone I admire greatly. I visited him for a few days a couple of weeks ago. His days are busy, but he set aside a little time after dinner each day so that we could sit and gaze out upon Manhattan and talk about God 'n Jesus 'n Stuff.

He knows and likes Benedict XVI. He was a student in Rome and the then cardinal taught some classes.

And he says we need to shut up about all the mitigating stuff and just say over and over that we messed up and just be conspicuous about rooting it out the best we can.

I'm seeing more and more, that whether the mitigating stuff is true or not, people don't want to hear it.

One of the things that happens to me is, like in the case of the Episcopalian guy who was messing around with wimmins in his congregation... I knew his bishop. I knew him to be a good and even a courageous guy. AND I know how all of us who were trained before the late 80's and 90's had ZERO training in this.

So I could understand, while deploring, the almost irresistible urge to sweep it under the rug.

When we start addressing this stuff in the 80's and 90's -- I left the Episcopal ministry and church in 1994 -- there were a number of younger clergy who had come into parishes where this sort of thing had gone on. We ALL had simmering anger and deep distress and felt UTTERLY let down by our bishops. It was like being put in the 'daddy' role in a family where the previous 'daddy' was incestuous. It was crazy and crazy-making and disorienting. For some reasons, nobody in seminary ever told ME that I might be in a situation where some fairly attractive married women were making goo-goo eyes at me. I'm sort of turning to Nancy and saying, "WHAT was THAT?" (not having ths sort of physique that generally gets goo-goo eyes cast upon it.)

Anyway, while I think SOME of the mitigating stuff I write is probably important, I am very open to your being right and Fr Brian being right and frank repentance, 'owning', and moving on, knowing we'll take shots for decades, is probably the way to go.

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

861 posted on 05/10/2010 3:14:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

INDEED.


862 posted on 05/10/2010 4:26:12 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: The Cajun; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

INDEED.

On all counts.

Thanks for your thoughtful and kind response.

I think that’s one of the main things that struck me about his presentation, too.

1. He’s a fine lawyer with a fine mind and a ton of integrity—challenging the center of his obviously sincere faith (i.e. the Vatican).

2. The magicsterical is, the officials are still being as deceptive, lying, flakey, exclusionist, power-mongering, bull-headed, arrogant, self-protective, self-righteous etc. as ever. Not very admirable, that.

3. Whatever the Fatima personage was . . . the implications portend a lot—at least the Vatican system is convinced of that.

I thought it was an interesting presentation—if one cares enough about the topic to patiently hear it out.


863 posted on 05/10/2010 4:31:13 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: IamCenny

INDEED.

Thankfully, Christ warned that the world was evil/mad.


864 posted on 05/10/2010 4:32:24 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad Dawg

I think that’s the wisest, most Godly post you’ve made on the topic.

Thx.

NEXT TOPIC . . . . PUHHHHHLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE!


865 posted on 05/10/2010 4:35:30 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: IamCenny
You prefer evidence that aliens are demons?

Certainly.

There is plenty of documented UFO sightings, and people that have claimed to be abducted by aliens, some who have DURING the abduction claimed that praying to Jesus, or asking for Jesus, or saying the name Jesus has promptly stopped the abduction, I don’t know how clear I can make this to you.

So? Claim? You have made it clear that some people claim things. So what? Half the people in this nation who bothered to vote, voted for Obama.

I believe Jesus died for my sins, and rose 3 days later. Being a person of faith, you require hard evidence to believe in something?

Let us separate our faith from our physical reality, hmm? I do not require proof to believe in God. I do require proof to acknowledge physical entities. Do you have that proof?

866 posted on 05/10/2010 5:24:11 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: IamCenny
I’m saying that there are not aliens, but demons.

I could say that Simon Cowell is not actually an English git, but actually the current manifestation of Mephistopheles on Earth, but so what?

Interfering with the world, deceiving many souls, why couldn’t demons visit the earthly plane and deceive the eyes of men?

I'm convinced that they do, but I have no evidence that they occupy the form of aliens.

I don’t understand, you believe in God, but refute that “aliens/UFO’s/abductions could be demonic” in presence.

I don't refute it. I simply am asking that you provide evidence for your claim.

867 posted on 05/10/2010 5:28:21 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: hosepipe
If so, God would be a genius..

God Almighty is certainly a genius!

868 posted on 05/10/2010 6:35:07 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: MarkBsnr

There is no proof, but the evidence that there is seems to point in the direction that the devil has deceived the world into believing that UFO’S are aliens, and not fallen angels.


869 posted on 05/10/2010 7:01:43 AM PDT by IamCenny
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To: MarkBsnr

MB, in your engineering studies, where have you found adequate identification of the spirit-body problem to properly frame any query into the separation of the physical universe from the spiritual domain?

I haven’t, but then again perhaps I’ve been scarred in my engineering education by assuming everything we were studying comprised the physical domain and unless the spiritual domain could justifiably integrated into the physical domain, it didn’t exist.

Yet, I also know from faith in Christ and from experience, that domain is very real. I am not appealing to experience for its justification, but I would have to deny real experience to ignore the spiritual domain.

I also know some spiritual persons, with very real character and perception, and volition, can effect physical force by their choosing, while not fully perceptible to us in all our senses.

IMHO, I suspect it might be a leap of justification to conclude these “aliens” are fallen angels, but such an identification is consistent with many reports of their behavior and circumstances surrounding experiences of them.


870 posted on 05/10/2010 8:38:44 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: IamCenny
There is no proof, but the evidence that there is seems to point in the direction that the devil has deceived the world into believing that UFO’S are aliens, and not fallen angels.

There are two points to consider:

1. UFOs (such as they are) exist.

2. Fallen angels are UFOS.

I don't think that either statement has been shown satisfactorally.

871 posted on 05/10/2010 12:47:15 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Cvengr
MB, in your engineering studies, where have you found adequate identification of the spirit-body problem to properly frame any query into the separation of the physical universe from the spiritual domain?

The study of engineering is on the what-is. The spiritual realm cannot be measured, weighed, experimented on, or any other thing done to it in order to change any aspect of it. I cannot engineer the spiritual realm, as I can the physical one.

I haven’t, but then again perhaps I’ve been scarred in my engineering education by assuming everything we were studying comprised the physical domain and unless the spiritual domain could justifiably integrated into the physical domain, it didn’t exist.

I'm not sure that your studies were complete. Engineering is not about defining reality and non reality. It is about developing principles and practices that work. There are many things that engineering ignores because they have no practical use. Yet there are many things that engineering has only borderline basic knowledge of (e.g. how concrete works), but use extensively simply because we have found out that it does work in certain ways under certain conditions.

Yet, I also know from faith in Christ and from experience, that domain is very real. I am not appealing to experience for its justification, but I would have to deny real experience to ignore the spiritual domain.

Okay. Faith is belief; experience may lead to knowledge, sure.

I also know some spiritual persons, with very real character and perception, and volition, can effect physical force by their choosing, while not fully perceptible to us in all our senses.

If they can, for instance, lessen the mass of a glass of water or a rock while that object is sitting on a weigh scale, then they should have no problem duplicating it in front of the cameras and witnesses.

IMHO, I suspect it might be a leap of justification to conclude these “aliens” are fallen angels, but such an identification is consistent with many reports of their behavior and circumstances surrounding experiences of them.

It is conjecture only at this point. A flight of fancy, as it were.

872 posted on 05/10/2010 12:57:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
The spiritual realm cannot be measured, weighed, experimented on, or any other thing done to it in order to change any aspect of it.

Try it. You might be surprised at what God gives us when we have been regenerated. The trick, just like in our physical moments prior to the first death, is to remain in faith through Christ in all things. He controls the rest.

If they can, for instance, lessen the mass of a glass of water or a rock while that object is sitting on a weigh scale, then they should have no problem duplicating it in front of the cameras and witnesses.

Even if they did, most people still wouldn't believe it anymore than they have any belief in the reports of what miracles occurred by God for Moses. Additionally, why should they when they aren't here to answer our whims. Lack of evidence by our standards doesn't eliminate their existence any more than atheists can remove the existence of God.

873 posted on 05/10/2010 1:09:29 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr; Mad Dawg
Try it. You might be surprised at what God gives us when we have been regenerated. The trick, just like in our physical moments prior to the first death, is to remain in faith through Christ in all things. He controls the rest.

Try what? You speak as one of the elite regenerated. Are you saying that only the regenerated can engineer the spiritual world?

Even if they did, most people still wouldn't believe it anymore than they have any belief in the reports of what miracles occurred by God for Moses. Additionally, why should they when they aren't here to answer our whims. Lack of evidence by our standards doesn't eliminate their existence any more than atheists can remove the existence of God.

I do not claim doubting Thomas standards. Yet I will say that if one wishes to prove the existance of the spiritual world, then have at it. If you claim that people can affect the physical world using the spiritual one, then let's have them on camera in front of witnesses. Or else I will continue to regard them simply as graduates of the Uri Gellar school of advanced spoon bending.

874 posted on 05/10/2010 1:26:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Careful, I might decide to stare at a nearby goat. <8^)


875 posted on 05/10/2010 1:48:21 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

LOL.

I DID enjoy that movie.


876 posted on 05/10/2010 4:59:23 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Cvengr

???


877 posted on 05/10/2010 6:53:13 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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