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Jesus Christ was baptized and “sealed” to Mary Magdelene (Mormon - Open)
Further Light And Knowledge ^ | June 1, 2010 | Helen Radkey

Posted on 06/02/2010 1:47:13 PM PDT by reaganaut

Jesus of Nazareth, also known as Jesus Christ, or simply Jesus, is the central figure of Christianity. The life and sermons of Jesus form the basis of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ is recognized by believing Christians as God incarnate, the Son of God who was raised from the dead—the Redeemer of mankind—the most important figure in history.

According to Mormon doctrine, Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world. However, it seems that even the perceived Savior of the world is not exempt from LDS temple rituals. Proxy rites for Jesus Christ were performed in the Salt Lake (LDS) Temple in Utah, in April 2010. The Salt Lake Temple, located on Temple Square in the heart of Mormon-dominated Salt Lake City, was dedicated on April 6, 1893—three years before Utah became a state in 1896—and is one of the oldest of the 132 currently operating temples that are owned and maintained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS.)

New FamilySearch is the online genealogy database of the LDS Church that contains updated details of LDS temple ordinances that have been done for dead people. There are multiple listings for Jesus Christ in New FamilySearch—under different versions of his identity—which have been submitted by individual Mormons. It is not known how many times Jesus has been subjected to LDS rites because all New FamilySearch records for him—including combined records—show LDS ordinance details as “Not Available.”

On May 27, 2010, there were two similar records for Jesus in New FamilySearch which had been submitted by the same person. One listing was titled “Jesus Christian,” and showed “Jesus Christian” was born “before 1500 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1550 Jerusalem, Israel.” LDS ordinances were tagged as “Not available” on this record. The other entry was for “Jesus Cristian,” who was born “before 1502 Bethlehem, Israel,” and died “before 1539 Jerusalem, Israel.” The entry for “Jesus Cristian” gave a description of LDS ordinances, along with the name of a spouse—“Maria Magdelena.”

“Jesus Cristian” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” “Jesus Cristian” was also subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and a marriage “sealing” to “spouse” “Maria Magdelena” on April 9, 2010—all rites occurred in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”

It appears the submissions for “Jesus Christian,” and “Jesus Cristian” were attempts to manipulate the identity of Jesus Christ through the LDS temple system. The misspelled “Cristian,” instead of “Christian,” could have been a typo, or a deliberate error. It may have been intentionally entered as “Cristian” to get around a computer program that automatically blocks submissions that contain the names “Jesus Christ.” That would explain why the entry for “Jesus Christian” shows LDS ordinances as “Not available.”

While both New FamilySearch records in question lack complete birth and death data, and give imprecise “before” years of these events—the first name “Jesus” combined with the surnames “Christian” and “Cristian” (both spins on the name of “Christ”) are signs that “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” are pseudonyms for Jesus Christ.

Other indicators on the New FamilySearch records that point to Jesus Christ are the birth place, “Bethlehem,” and the death location, “Jerusalem.” (Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem and died outside the walls of old Jerusalem.) Another clue to the identity of “Jesus Cristian” is the name of his “spouse”—“Maria Magdelena,” a misspelled variant of Mary Magdalene. “Maria Magdelena” is not listed on the “Jesus Christian” record.

Because “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” have similar names and identical birth and death locations—“Bethlehem” and “Jerusalem,” they are probably the same person. Their birth and death years are similar, but not the same. The estimated dates listed for these events look like they have been fabricated. According to their New FamilySearch records, “Jesus Christian” and “Jesus Cristian” were born and died in the 16th century. “Jesus Christian” lived roughly 50 years, while “Jesus Cristian” died in his thirties.

On May 27, 2010, “Maria Magdelena” was listed in New FamilySearch with her birth date as “1504 Israel,” and death date as “before 1540 Israel.” Both years are likely inventions. Along with “spouse” “Jesus Cristian,” “Maria Magdelena” was baptized and confirmed a member of the LDS Church by proxy on April 8, 2010 in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.” She was subjected to initiatory temple ordinances on April 8, 2010; an endowment ceremony on April 9, 2010; and the marriage “sealing” to “Jesus Cristian” on April 9, 2010—all rites were done in the “Salt Lake City Utah Temple.”

Mary Magdalene is described in the New Testament as a faithful follower of Jesus. Because the concept of marriage is strongly emphasized in LDS teachings, the notion that a spousal relationship existed between Jesus and Mary Magdalene is common among Mormons—although that belief is not formal LDS doctrine. There is no reliable historical evidence to indicate that Jesus was married—to Mary Magdalene, or anyone else.

LDS Church officials have publicly stated that the New FamilySearch program is a technological deterrent to improper submissions. Yet—under their very noses—on Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Jesus Christ—under a false name—two millennia after his birth, was offered Mormon salvation and an erroneous eternal marriage sealing.

Sometime late in the day on May 27, 2010, the individual entries for “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” were scrubbed from New FamilySearch—concealing the evidence that LDS rites had recently been performed for these two names in the Salt Lake Temple. The sudden disappearance of these records is a strong indication that “Jesus Cristian” and “Maria Magdelena” represent Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene.

© Copyright 2010, Helen Radkey—Permission is granted to reproduce, provided content is not changed and this copyright notice is included.


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To: restornu

Reading WRITING too much fiction will do that to a person they start to dream like Walter Mitty?

 

and start gibbering things like ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend


 

 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1] 

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith  & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.


621 posted on 06/04/2010 3:42:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu
 
The antis worship 3 heads in one invisible blob!
 
 
 
The MORMONs worship ONE god with TWO physical bodies.

622 posted on 06/04/2010 3:44:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: T Minus Four
We try to always post quotes from your documents, books or speeches before we make such claims.

THAT's because you are not MORMON!

YOU are not SPECIAL!!

OUR things are KNOWN to be true.

--MormonPube(By most EVERYone who investigates them with pure intentions.)

623 posted on 06/04/2010 3:47:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu

1:50:28 AM

Go to BED!

You are rambling WAY worse than normally!


624 posted on 06/04/2010 3:48:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu
It sounds FACINATING!!

Creating a louse from linen lanks; Creating photo tags for a Sew ooking page; I Love My Serger segment on serger plackets; "Floral Accents" segment for Machine Emroidery. Guests: Hope Yoder, Kathy McMakin, Pam Mahshie.

625 posted on 06/04/2010 3:50:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Elsie
 
 

 
             

Fascinating!


626 posted on 06/04/2010 3:52:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: restornu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4fU0Ajo4RM&feature=related


627 posted on 06/04/2010 4:41:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: reaganaut

Bulls eye.


628 posted on 06/04/2010 5:16:50 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: restornu

Given everything have written in the last few posts I thought you might enjoy these videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvaTLs3XYZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdeR5QKvWU


629 posted on 06/04/2010 6:43:11 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: restornu; ejonesie22
clever
630 posted on 06/04/2010 6:52:11 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Big ears ran as the messiah, but is turning out to be just a plain old mess.)
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To: restornu; reaganaut; Colofornian
More and more you prove why God has 3 degrees of Glory

Resty, as much as love you, I know that you believe with all your might that when I die, I will never get to see Jesus. That somehow it is even POSSIBLE to have a "heaven" without the presence of Jesus.

This is the Mormon teaching that makes the least amount of sense to me.

Christians know there are only two options when you die: Being with Jesus, WHICH IS HEAVEN, and being without Him, which by its very definition is the eternal torment of Hell.

The end, period, no more second chances, no part-time visiting Jesus, no consolation prize of the Holy Ghost.

It frightens us Inmams to our souls to think you are taking this so light-heartedly. This is no game my beloved friend.

631 posted on 06/04/2010 7:20:56 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: restornu
Less buzz must be your holey ghost!

No sweetie, ghosts are spirits of dead things.

MY GOD LIVES!

632 posted on 06/04/2010 7:28:49 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: restornu; mrreaganaut

My favorit time is General Conference

- - - - -
That is exactly what put him to sleep. In record time!


633 posted on 06/04/2010 9:05:12 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

But only 4 hours at the zoo? Can’t see much, can you?
____________________________________________

It was a hot day...

plus its not that big a zoo...

We got to see everything...do everything...carousal, play area too...

Plus theres a lot of uphill walking ...the kids ran Nana ragged...LOL

and the kids were so worn out they went to sleep the minute they were back in the car...

:)


634 posted on 06/04/2010 10:11:30 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut

bttt


635 posted on 06/04/2010 10:12:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Elsie
I have since been baptized and confirmed... I realized my previous response might have been lost in the flood of other comments, so wanted to provide you an answer. I was baptized at St. Vincent's Cathedral in Fort Worth, Texas by The Very Rev. Ryan S. Reed, Dean of the Cathedral. I was later Confirmed at St. Vincent's Cathedral by The Right Rev. Jack Leo Iker, D.D., SSC, Bishop III of Fort Worth
636 posted on 06/04/2010 4:47:58 PM PDT by HushTX (get over it.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

My father’s best friend was raised a Mormon.

And when they were in their youth my father asked him, “You believe you’ll get your own planet. All Mormons believe this. How many Mormon planets do you believe will be out there in the Universe?”

My father’s friend just gave him a shrug of his shoulders and said, “Yeah, I know. That’s what we believe. But, it doesn’t sound right, does it?”


637 posted on 06/04/2010 7:41:37 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: HushTX

I was just REALLY wanting to see if you’d, somehow, been grabbed by the Mormons: glad to see that you haven’t!


638 posted on 06/05/2010 4:31:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: reaganaut

Thank you for pinging me to this, even though I’m late arriving.


639 posted on 06/05/2010 6:49:52 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

No prob.


640 posted on 06/05/2010 9:57:15 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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