Posted on 07/05/2010 10:02:12 AM PDT by chatter4
Great video by an independent theist, who has researched Christianity for many years. From the video desciption: "Christians insist that Jesus was nailed to a cross and that after his resurrection, that he showed his disciples the wounds on his hands and his feet. There is not one verse in the Bible that says Jesus was nailed to a cross or that says he showed his wounded hands and feet to anyone. The Bible does say that he was hung on a tree or from a timber.
These four verses claim that the two thieves received the same punishment that Jesus did. They all say the thieves were crucified.
Matthew 27:38 "Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left." Mark 15:27 "And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left." Luke 23:33 "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left." John 19:18 "Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst." However, this verse says they were hung, so clearly, to be crucified means to be hung. Luke 23:39 "And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us."
This is not the same word which was used to describe Judas being hung. That word clearly meant to be choked or strangled, but, crucifixtion certainly must mean to be suspended from something, and the method used to suspend one from a timber or a tree may have varied."
I’m glad that’s cleared up.
He was nailed....but through the wrists, severing the median nerve (causing unbelievable pain) and providing enough support to hold the body up (they never, ever crucified through the hands).
One other tidbit: when you sever the median nerve, the thumbs fold inward.
Joh 20:26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be with you."
Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing." Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
On what do you base your statement. There is not one verse in the entire Bible that says Jesus was nailed to anything.
Uummmmm. What does this person think exactly how crucifixion was carried out? When someone goes to the Electric Chair, one does not have to say how he was strapped in and the dome put on his head and the wires were hooked up. The words "electric chair" says it all.
I guess the person in the youtube video is not believing, but unbelieving. Probably a J.W. They don't believe Jesus was crucified. They hold that he was "impaled" with the stake through his heart.
Speaking of “nailed.”
LOL
John 20:25 - “So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.””
Colossians 2:14 “... having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.”
There is not one mention of wounds in John chapter 20. Thomas was not questioning if Jesus died, he was questioning if he was really alive again. The word “into” can also be translated as “against”. The word “shape” means “a pattern”. Thomas was looking for a way to identify Jesus and strike his side to see if he was really there. Only an insane person would want to go poking into open wounds.
Many, many reasons (not the least of which is a fairly deep knowledge of Roman crucifixion procedures)....but I won’t provide an entire course here.
Golly chatter, you are just getting nailed all over the thread, aren’t ya?
The verse says that the law was nailed-Jesus was not the Law. The Bible says he was hanged on a tree.
Actually cricifixion took many forms, and victims were about as often tied up as they were nailed. Sometimes they were completely impaled. In other words, “crucifixion” does not necessarily mean nails, but I think the biblical record is quite explicit that Christ was nailed to the cross.
I think you're right.
Slightly changing multiple word-meanings to arrive at an opposite conclusion.
| 24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith He to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through His name. |
>> Only an insane person would want to go poking into open wounds.
What makes you think He was resurrected with open wounds? I’m confident the same Almighty who breathed life back into my Savior also had the power to heal up the wounds so he wouldn’t be all gross and scare folks away. Do you think He was walking around with his clothing bloodstained from a still-bleeding wound in his side? Of course not. He had scars, yes, but no open wounds.
"It Can't Be Proved that Jesus was Born In Bethlehem"?
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