Where Is That Taught in the Bible?

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[fish hawk]

That is why non believers are quick to say that the Bible is full of mistakes and opposites which both can't be true. Mainly their problem is that without the Spirit, it is impossible to understand God's Word, and why it is so important for us to study to show thyself approved. I had big problems with that years ago but now I have learned (still learning)to separate the circumcised from the uncircumcised , works form faith, and law from grace.

[Nosterrex]

There a different kinds of tradition. The dating of the NT Scripture varies, but most scholars agree that the writings of St. Paul are the earliest. There may have been a logion of Jesus sayings prior to St. Paul’s writings. There were a large number of apostles that were eye witnesses to the “Jesus event” and a few of them, Such as St. Matthew and St. John wrote down these events. These writings have been accepted as authoritative over time. They are reliable and sufficient for salvation and sanctification. The great teachers and councils of the church used Scripture to judge the teachings and practices of various people and groups. They are the ONLY reliable source, for they are the record of the only ones that were actually present with Jesus. I would call this Holy Tradition, and all other traditions must conform to this standard, including those traditions of the Roman Catholic Church.

[NYer]

Luther saw a discrepancy and voiced it. The Catholic church didn't like it and ordered him to recant. He refused, under expulsion and threat of death.

I wouldn't even begin to attempt to vilify Martin Luther. He does this on his own. It was Martin Luther who tossed out the seven books considered canonical since the beginning of Church history. He also rejected the epistle to the Hebrews and the book of Revelation. He also called the epistle of James "an epistle of straw" because James 2:14–26 conflicted with his personal theology on good works. He also added the word (in his German translation) only in Romans 3:20 and Romans 4:15, and he inserted the word alone in Romans 3:28.

What does Scripture say about adding words?

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18)

Oops, that is from the Book of Revelation which was rejected by Martin Luther.

[Salvation]

The Bible itself tells us that there is tradition. That all the things did not get written down.........last chapter of John.

Care to re-read it now?

[Salvation]

Right on!

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[NYer]

The Savior did not mention your tradition.

Sure He did! The Bible Itself states that there are "oral" teachings and traditions that are to be carried on to the present day (2 Thessalonians 2:15; 1 Corinthians 11:2; 2 Timothy 2:2; Romans 10:17; 1 Peter 1:24-25). These teachings are what the Catholic Church considers "Sacred Apostolic Tradition."

Did Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct His disciples to "write down" His teachings? No. With the possible exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles. In fact, only the Apostles Sts. Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to "write" if the "written" Word of God is the ONLY authority to be followed in the Christian religion?

[mountn man]

I think I’ve presented myself adequately in other posts.

[NYer]

The Catholic Church just can’t get over the fact that the Word of God alone can free men’s souls and they no longer have power over their salvation

Where is that in Scripture?

[mountn man]

Any tradition created AFTER Christ, then was not a tradition and therefore just a man made creation with no authority or meaning other than as a discipline or superstition.

[Grunthor]

“Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.”

He left off the part that I am sure He mean’t to say. Something like “Unless you keep to the traditions of a church that will come to be in about 300 years.”

[mountn man]

The Catholic Church just can’t get over the fact that the Word of God alone can free men’s souls and they no longer have power over their salvation

So your saying that the Catholic church does have power over mens salvation???

[Salvation]

Vut you still haven't addressed this specific Scripture -- John 21:25:

John
Chapter 21

23

¹³ So the word spread among the brothers that that disciple would not die. But Jesus had not told him that he would not die, just "What if I want him to remain until I come? (What concern is it of yours?)"

24

It is this disciple who testifies to these things and has written them, ¹⁴ and we know that his testimony is true.

25

There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.

[Salvation]

So are you saying that you do not believe the Apostle John and what he wrote -- that all things could not be written down? Hence, Catholics know that there is such a thing as HOLY Tradition where the world of God was handed down from one person to another.

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[mountn man]

Did Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct His disciples to "write down" His teachings? No. With the possible exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles. In fact, only the Apostles Sts. Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to "write" if the "written" Word of God is the ONLY authority to be followed in the Christian religion?

WHAAAAATT???? I don't think the writers of the Gospel were thinking of creating a New Testament. They were writing down history and Christs teachings to pass along. Likewise Paul, the majority writer of the NT, wrote letters to the different churches to inspire and teach and rebuke. It was later that all these letters were gathered together. Each one of these people were eyewitnesses to Christ, and wrote down their experiences and learnings.

What would carry more weight with you, a letter from a loved one, or vague remembrances from someone else just told to you?

The Bible gives us clear "traditions" to uphold, baptism and communion, also the Jewish holidays. Anything else is strictly add on that the stupidstitous like to claim.

I have an important question for you. Is the Bible the inspired, infallible word of God?

[Uri’el-2012]

Interesting; that members of the Roman "church"
reject the very words of Yah'shua condemning
them for rejecting His Word and impugning it
with their man-made traditions.

Mark 7:1-23 is very instructive on traditions of
the Elders impugning the Holy Word of YHvH.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[mountn man]

So are you saying that you do not believe the Apostle John and what he wrote -- that all things could not be written down? Hence, Catholics know that there is such a thing as HOLY Tradition where the world of God was handed down from one person to another.

So what exactly is it that you Catholics "know" through you're "traditions"

AND most importantly HOW DO YOU KNOW IT?

Traditions are/can be good for disciplines but not for additional teachings to OR instead of the Word of God.

Just because John said all things weren't able to be written down, doesn't give license to create things out of entire cloth AND THEN claim authority or holiness to them.

[Salvation]

[johngrace]

If Pope Sylvester did not bless a council you would not have the New Testament that you read. Something to think about?

[mountn man]

So your saying that without the Catholic church nothing God accoplished would have been accomplished?

[Uri’el-2012]

Imperious hubris (the sin of Satan : Pride)

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach