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Partnering with our Friends from Other Faiths (By LDS Apostle Quentin L. Cook)
Patheos ^ | Aug 29, 2010 | Quentin L. Cook

Posted on 08/18/2010 1:22:01 PM PDT by Normandy

By Elder Quentin L. Cook

Earlier this year, Cardinal Francis George, president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, spoke to a crowd of 13,000 students at Brigham Young University about the importance of working together to preserve religious freedom. The cardinal's eloquent and poignant speech at the flagship university of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was evidence of significant progress in the growing relationships between our faith and other faiths that share similar concerns regarding issues of tremendous importance.

Cardinal George said, "I'm personally grateful that after 180 years of living mostly apart from one another, Catholics and Latter-day Saints have begun to see one another as trustworthy partners in the defense of shared moral principles and in the promotion of the common good of our beloved country."

Becoming partners in the defense of shared moral principles starts with sincere efforts by religious faiths to understand and learn from each other. One of the sweetest experiences I've had is to accompany other faith leaders on tours of our newly built temples, our most sacred buildings, when they are open to the public. As a result, these religious leaders come to know and understand us better. Likewise, we gain a greater understanding and appreciation for their beliefs. It's heartwarming that those of other faiths would take the time to appreciate something that is deeply personal and meaningful to me and other Latter-day Saints.

With this newfound understanding, no faith has a desire to compromise on its doctrine or beliefs. These relationships are not ecumenical; that is, we are not trying to come to an agreement on principles of doctrinal practice, but instead there is a mutual respect for each other's beliefs and a desire to collaborate on important issues where we find common ground.

Finding common ground has translated into interfaith initiatives having lasting, positive effects throughout the world. For three decades, we've worked with other faiths and aid organizations to provide humanitarian aid in 178 countries to those in critical need. As we've partnered with Catholic Charities, Muslim organizations, the Red Cross, and many others, there is joy and excitement that comes from putting into action what we jointly view as good and needed for our fellow men and women.

These interfaith efforts are not limited to Church leadership. The most humbling experience for any ecclesiastical leader is seeing the gospel of Jesus Christ being lived through the membership of the Church. Recently, we sponsored a project where hundreds of thousands of volunteers from community and faith-based organizations worked together in an unprecedented single day of service across eleven Southern states to bring relief to those struggling because of the economic downturn. In one project, half a dozen religious leaders worked together to build a home for Habitat for Humanity.

Similarly, when Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, members of our Church and other faiths spontaneously rose to the occasion to help relieve the suffering. This was so fittingly illustrated when a United Methodist congregation in Slidell, Louisiana, graciously offered their church as a place to sleep to Mormon volunteers from Houston, Texas. When the congregation arrived for services on Sunday, they found that the Mormons had cleared trees and other debris from their churchyard. As a show of thanks, our members also mounted their hurricane-damaged flag as a keepsake and flew a new banner from the flagpole. During the shared worship service, the pastor voiced a feeling of unity shared by those of both denominations: "The Mormons are now our friends."

Whether it is helping the victims of disaster through humanitarian aid, providing relief to communities in economic need, or supporting religious liberty, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members often stand shoulder to shoulder with other faiths. The future of Mormonism in the public sphere will, in part, be a shared one as we work with other like-minded faiths to follow the gospel of Jesus Christ in reaching out to our fellow citizens.

Elder Quentin L. Cook has served as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since October 6, 2007. Prior to being called to full-time church service, he was a business lawyer, a managing partner of a law firm in the San Francisco Bay area, and a healthcare executive. He has also been a board member of several profit and not-for-profit corporations. He received a B.A. in political science from Utah State University, and a J.D. from Stanford University.


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Possibly the first ever blog posting by a Mormon Apostle.
1 posted on 08/18/2010 1:22:06 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy

The “partnering with other faiths” thing kinda cracks me up. I don’t say this often, but, WWJD?


2 posted on 08/18/2010 1:24:54 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Normandy

The “partnering with other faiths” thing kinda cracks me up. I don’t say this often, but, WWJD?

He sure didn’t partner with the Jews or any other religion.


3 posted on 08/18/2010 1:25:23 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Normandy

The Catholic Church sees Mormonism as it’s own, different religion, not a Christian church.


4 posted on 08/18/2010 1:47:00 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: RobRoy

“The “partnering with other faiths” thing kinda cracks me up.”

Why am I not surprised?


5 posted on 08/18/2010 3:25:06 PM PDT by yellowroses
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To: yellowroses

>>Why am I not surprised?<<

You are aware of my vast knowledge of scripture?

;)


6 posted on 08/18/2010 4:19:31 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Normandy

Glenn Beck will post it too .. he is all into ecumenical things with Christians even if we do have different gods


7 posted on 08/18/2010 5:34:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Normandy

180 years of living apart......well that could be because lds think of Catholics as “whores of Babylon”, by the way when did that attitude change?


8 posted on 08/19/2010 10:41:32 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: svcw

Hi svcw,

I think LDS and Catholics find they have a lot in common and enjoy working together to make a positive difference in the world.


9 posted on 08/19/2010 12:27:38 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy; svcw
I think LDS and Catholics find they have a lot in common and enjoy working together to make a positive difference in the world.

Are you willing to repudiate your prophets and apostles teachings on the Catholic church in the process?

10 posted on 08/19/2010 12:38:00 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

I agree with Elder Cook when he says,

“With this newfound understanding, no faith has a desire to compromise on its doctrine or beliefs. These relationships are not ecumenical; that is, we are not trying to come to an agreement on principles of doctrinal practice, but instead there is a mutual respect for each other’s beliefs and a desire to collaborate on important issues where we find common ground”


11 posted on 08/19/2010 12:43:03 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy
. . . . but instead there is a mutual respect for each other’s beliefs. . . . .

Your prophets and apostles historically have displayed - shall we say - far, far, less mutual respect. Are you going to repudiate them?

12 posted on 08/19/2010 12:45:43 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Which prophets and apostles, and which teachings are you referring to, Godzilla?


13 posted on 08/19/2010 12:49:09 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy

“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

“After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon.”

- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

“... all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ.... in large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed the Unknown Gods.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 269, 374-375

Just to name a few norm.


14 posted on 08/19/2010 12:54:01 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Well I think you’ll find that current thoughts and statements from LDS leaders are very conciliatory towards Catholics and Protestants.

As you know I am firm in my Latter-day Saint faith, and I believe in my Church so we are going to disagree on doctrinal matters, but there are many things people of different faiths have in common and by supporting one another in dealing with many of the problems we see in society we can do a lot of good together.


15 posted on 08/19/2010 1:33:51 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy
Well I think you’ll find that current thoughts and statements from LDS leaders are very conciliatory towards Catholics and Protestants.

Really? Have they changed the text of 1 Nephi 14:10? Have the missionaries stopped telling everyone that their church is apostate and that the mormon church is the only true church? Didn't think so.

As you know I am firm in my Latter-day Saint faith, and I believe in my Church so we are going to disagree on doctrinal matters, but there are many things people of different faiths have in common and by supporting one another in dealing with many of the problems we see in society we can do a lot of good together.

Only by being dishonest in the representation of those doctrinal differences and seeking out the more liberal corners of those other religions who don't care about their own doctrine, let alone lds.

16 posted on 08/19/2010 1:45:23 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Normandy
Well I think you’ll find that current thoughts and statements from LDS leaders are very conciliatory towards Catholics and Protestants.

BTW norm, you still haven't answered my question - are you going to repudiate these statements by your prophets and apostles?

17 posted on 08/19/2010 1:46:31 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Normandy

“Well I think you’ll find that current thoughts and statements from LDS leaders are very conciliatory towards Catholics and Protestants.”

Catholics and Protestants worship ONE God. So do Jews.

Mormons have 4 earth gods and trillions of gods on other worlds. They also think they themselves can become gods.

Their polytheistic/henotheistic religion has nothing whatever to do with Christianity.

They do, however, steal the words of Christianity and redefine them to mean things that are not present in the Bible whatsoever.

best,
ampu


18 posted on 08/19/2010 4:12:13 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Ampu, as a Latter-day Saint, I know very well whom I worship.

“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”


19 posted on 08/19/2010 4:54:31 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy
Aug. 18, 2010: a United Methodist congregation in Slidell, Louisiana, graciously offered their church as a place to sleep to Mormon volunteers from Houston, Texas. When the congregation arrived for services on Sunday...during the shared worship service...

May, 1977: “It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, p. 26

Tell us Normandy...if the Lds (rightly) claimed in 1977 that they worship a "different Jesus" than we do, then how many jesuses were being worshiped in Slidell, LA @ that United Methodist congregation as Mormons joined in their "worship service?"

20 posted on 08/19/2010 5:28:21 PM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: Normandy

“Ampu, as a Latter-day Saint, I know very well whom I worship.”

And yet you NEVER say who it is.

If you wish to finally go on record as saying exactly who you worship, please take this opportunity:

Do you worship a god who used to be a man?
Do you have a Jesus who was a created spirit?
Do you have a heavenly mother?
Do you hope to become a god yourself someday?
Why are your gods changeable and not eternal?
Why are your three earth gods sinful, fallen created beings who later became some kind of gods?
Including the god you claim to worship, how many total mormonic gods do you think exist?

Microphone is waiting......


21 posted on 08/19/2010 5:34:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Normandy
Do you hope to become a god yourself someday?

Who will likewise be worshiped...

Tell us Normandy...you don't think Mormonism teaches GINOs, do you? (Gods in Name Only)

I mean this future godhood club...these gods are going to be actually worshiped, right? They're not just GINOs, right?

22 posted on 08/19/2010 5:40:07 PM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I think of that Mormon ad campaign going on. Truth in advertising should demand that each commercial end with the comment: "And I'm a Mormon...who's a god-in-embryo."

Then what do you think the public perception would be?

23 posted on 08/19/2010 5:41:28 PM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: Normandy
Becoming partners in the defense of shared moral principles starts with sincere efforts by religious faiths to understand and learn from each other. One of the sweetest experiences I've had is to accompany other faith leaders on tours of our newly built temples, our most sacred buildings, when they are open to the public. As a result, these religious leaders come to know and understand us better. Likewise, we gain a greater understanding and appreciation for their beliefs. It's heartwarming that those of other faiths would take the time to appreciate something that is deeply personal and meaningful to me and other Latter-day Saints.

WWED???

PUKE!!!

24 posted on 08/19/2010 7:08:44 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Normandy
...but instead there is a mutual respect for each other’s beliefs and a desire to collaborate on important issues where we find common ground”
 
 
 
Can I say BULLspIT in this thread?


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
 

25 posted on 08/19/2010 7:11:18 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Godzilla

Got news for you Pratt came from a Puritan back ground and in the earlier years all protestant espouse those views about the Catholic Church

so Godzilla, folks in glass houses should not throw stones!

BTW those views were independed thoughts and not of the Church itself.


26 posted on 08/19/2010 7:14:13 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Normandy
“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”


Ampu, as a Latter-day Saint, I know very well whom I worship.

I sure wish you'd tell US!

Is it GOD (the Father - Ancient of Days) with HIS physical body;

or is it GOD (the Son - Jesus) with HIS physical body?

27 posted on 08/19/2010 7:14:40 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Colofornian
 
And I'm a Mormon...who's a god-in-embryo."

 

 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, as also plurality of wives. HC 5: 501–507. Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way that leads to eternal lives; 26–27, Law given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation made to prophets and saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
  1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many awives and bconcubines
  2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.
  3 Therefore, aprepare thy heart to receive and bobey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.
  4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting acovenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye bdamned; for no one can creject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
  5 For all who will have a ablessing at my hands shall abide the blaw which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.
  6 And as pertaining to the new and aeverlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my bglory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
  7 And verily I say unto you, that the aconditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, boaths, cvows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and dsealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is eanointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by frevelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this gpower (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this hpower in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the ikeys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
  8 Behold, mine house is a house of aorder, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion.
  9 Will I aaccept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name?
  10 Or will I receive at your hands that which I have not aappointed?
  11 And will I appoint unto you, saith the Lord, except it be by law, even as I and my Father aordained unto you, before the world was?
  12 I am the Lord thy God; and I give unto you this commandment—that no man shall acome unto the Father but by me or by my word, which is my law, saith the Lord.
  13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by athrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall bnot remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.
  14 For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed.
  15 Therefore, if a aman marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.
  16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
  17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
  18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
  19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
  20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
  21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
  22 For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
  23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
  24 This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
  25 aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
  26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the aHoly Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they bcommit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be cdelivered unto the buffetings of dSatan unto the day of eredemption, saith the Lord God.
  27 The ablasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall bnot be cforgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit dmurder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be edamned, saith the Lord.
  28 I am the Lord thy God, and will give unto thee the alaw of my Holy Priesthood, as was ordained by me and my Father before the world was.
  29 aAbraham received all things, whatsoever he received, by revelation and commandment, by my word, saith the Lord, and hath entered into his exaltation and sitteth upon his throne.
  30 aAbraham received promises concerning his seed, and of the fruit of his loins—from whose bloins ye are, namely, my servant Joseph—which were to continue so long as they were in the world; and as touching Abraham and his seed, out of the world they should continue; both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the cstars; or, if ye were to count the sand upon the seashore ye could not number them.
  31 This promise is yours also, because ye are of aAbraham, and the promise was made unto Abraham; and by this law is the continuation of the works of my Father, wherein he glorifieth himself.
  32 Go ye, therefore, and do the aworks of Abraham; enter ye into my law and ye shall be saved.
  33 But if ye enter not into my law ye cannot receive the promise of my Father, which he made unto Abraham.
  34 God acommanded Abraham, and Sarah gave bHagar to Abraham to wife. And why did she do it? Because this was the law; and from Hagar sprang many people. This, therefore, was fulfilling, among other things, the promises.
  35 Was Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I, the Lord, acommanded it.
  36 Abraham was acommanded to offer his son Isaac; nevertheless, it was written: Thou shalt not bkill. Abraham, however, did not refuse, and it was accounted unto him for crighteousness.
  37 Abraham received aconcubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and bJacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their cexaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.
  38 David also received amany wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.
  39 aDavid’s wives and concubines were bgiven unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the ckeys of this power; and in none of these things did he dsin against me save in the case of eUriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath ffallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I ggave them unto another, saith the Lord.
  40 I am the Lord thy God, and I gave unto thee, my servant Joseph, an aappointment, and restore all things. Ask what ye will, and it shall be given unto you according to my word.
  41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man areceiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy banointing, she hath committed cadultery and shall be destroyed.
  42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has acommitted adultery.
  43 And if her husband be with another woman, and he was under a avow, he hath broken his vow and hath committed adultery.
  44 And if she hath not committed adultery, but is innocent and hath not broken her vow, and she knoweth it, and I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and agive her unto him that hath not committed badultery but hath been cfaithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.
  45 For I have conferred upon you the akeys and power of the priesthood, wherein I brestore all things, and make known unto you all things in due time.
  46 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that whatsoever you aseal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever you bbind on earth, in my name and by my word, saith the Lord, it shall be eternally bound in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you cremit on earth shall be remitted eternally in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you retain on earth shall be retained in heaven.
  47 And again, verily I say, whomsoever you bless I will bless, and whomsoever you curse I will acurse, saith the Lord; for I, the Lord, am thy God.
  48 And again, verily I say unto you, my servant Joseph, that whatsoever you give on earth, and to whomsoever you agive any one on earth, by my word and according to my law, it shall be visited with blessings and not cursings, and with my power, saith the Lord, and shall be without condemnation on earth and in heaven.
  49 For I am the Lord thy God, and will be awith thee even unto the bend of the world, and through all eternity; for verily I cseal upon you your dexaltation, and prepare a throne for you in the kingdom of my Father, with Abraham your efather.
  50 Behold, I have seen your asacrifices, and will forgive all your sins; I have seen your bsacrifices in obedience to that which I have told you. Go, therefore, and I make a way for your escape, as I caccepted the offering of Abraham of his son Isaac.
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
  57 And again, I say, let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lest an enemy come and destroy him; for aSatan bseeketh to destroy; for I am the Lord thy God, and he is my servant; and behold, and lo, I am with him, as I was with Abraham, thy father, even unto his cexaltation and glory.
  58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.
  59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
  60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.
  61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
  62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
  63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.
  64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
  65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.
  66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.
 
 

28 posted on 08/19/2010 7:16:11 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: Normandy

What they forget Normandy is that those statement are not of the Church itself but of ones own personal point of view.

Like I said the protestants were the ones who spoke this stuff open as late as the 1960’s I should know I heard in my community and preachers on the radio in those days~


29 posted on 08/19/2010 7:17:14 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Pratt also wrote those as an apostle in the mormon church - with the church’s blessing. If the mormon church blessed those views - then the mormon church also embraced those views.

But as I’ve also pointed out - the mormon church hasn’t change the book of mormon nor changed the instructions to their missionaries to reflect this newer, warmer and fuzzier view of non-mormons, and those ARE the mormon church’s thoughts.


30 posted on 08/19/2010 7:19:17 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: restornu

Hi, sweetie! :)


31 posted on 08/19/2010 7:19:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Godzilla

Nice try the Church never embraced those views but jerks keep trying to imply...

I know I would cringe when I would heard things like that spoked when I was growing up in the mainstream faith.

So you are still throwing stones...


32 posted on 08/19/2010 7:23:47 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu; Normandy
What they forget Normandy is that those statement are not of the Church itself but of ones own personal point of view.

So are you saying that the mormon church allows it's apostles and prophets to go around and teach doctrines contrary to that of the mormon church?

33 posted on 08/19/2010 7:24:28 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: trisham

Hey have seen you around in a while hope all is well!:)


34 posted on 08/19/2010 7:26:02 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

Very well. And you? :)


36 posted on 08/19/2010 7:28:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: restornu
Nice try the Church never embraced those views but jerks keep trying to imply...

Remarkable because both Cannon and McConkie say the same thing, as did Young, J F Smith, talmadge, pratt, kimball, taylor, bh roberts and woodruff. If mormonism never embraced those views, it certainly has a lot of apostles and prophets running their mouths off half cocked now. Never mind that they echo 1 Nephi 14:10 - which IS church doctrine resty. and you are only shooting spitwads.

37 posted on 08/19/2010 7:33:47 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: trisham

I am having a ball doing the Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University course.

I am learning so much about money I pray all young people will be able to learn this stuff in school!

https://www.mytotalmoneymakeover.com/?event=displayBudget

He was out teaching in SLC he is very ecumenical!


38 posted on 08/19/2010 7:34:05 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

That’s great. :) You are an inspiration!


39 posted on 08/19/2010 7:35:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Godzilla

Your action reveal you are so far removed


41 posted on 08/19/2010 7:37:34 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Your action reveal you are so far removed

From mormonism - most certainly, the moldy corpse of a rotted man devised religious scam.

42 posted on 08/19/2010 7:39:09 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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Don’t get personal resty or the rm will have to put you in timeout again.

Trying to intimate are we?

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Do you believe I follow the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the apostles?

I don’t know what religion you follow because it surely is not been revealed by your attitude.


43 posted on 08/19/2010 7:43:28 PM PDT by restornu
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Well, seeing that #40 go removed we go this way

Trying to intimate are we?

No, just reminding you not to start getting personal

Z - Do you believe I follow the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the apostles?

R - I don’t know what religion you follow because it surely is not been revealed by your attitude.

Why should that matter resty? Do you accept those statements or not? Use your words resty.

44 posted on 08/19/2010 7:49:20 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: trisham

I really like being around folks like him and there are so many out there that are not like these curmudgeon who want to contend all the times.

It really is a good feeling and comradery is going to be a blessing to this nation and across the world!


45 posted on 08/19/2010 7:50:06 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu

I hear you. :)


46 posted on 08/19/2010 7:51:18 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Godzilla

Do you strive to keep the Lord’s commandments and to Love One Another?


47 posted on 08/19/2010 7:52:06 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Colofornian

Hi Colofornian,

I am truly thankful to my Father in Heaven for providing a way (Jesus Christ) for me to overcome my sins. I know that God loves me and wants me to return to His presence so I am concentrating right now on working out my salvation with fear and trembling.

I really have very little understanding of what God has prepared for those that love him, but I do have a hope of future blessings, and I want to be in God’s presence with my loved ones some day. I trust in God’s promise that I can be a joint-heir with Christ, if it so be that I suffer with him.

Best,

Normandy


48 posted on 08/19/2010 8:40:38 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I worship God, the Eternal Father and his Son, Jesus Christ. Both are indeed eternal and unchangeable, almighty and perfect in every way.


49 posted on 08/19/2010 9:09:12 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy

Wow! What a distortion!

ALL FOUR of the Mormon earth gods were created. Mormons worship created, sinful beings that LATER achieved Mormon hostile.

You forgot to mention that, Normandy.

Ampu


50 posted on 08/20/2010 6:20:57 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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